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Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Kari:
 

Kzaaaz get out of the last century.

I have. Unfortunately I don't think the PNC have. That is their burden. I have no obligation to trust anyone I feel don't deserve that trust.

The PNC cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011 exposed the true intent and fraud of the PNC.  Their open message, cheer the AFC, split the Indian vote but "come home" on voting day.  When we win, we will use the military to ensure we (PNC) never ever leaves power again.  A key PNC operative told me in 2011, when/if the PNC wins, the will give Finance and Economics to the AFC, the PNC will own the GDF/GPF and all aspects of law are order and foreign policy.

 

The PNC must never be allowed to rule over Guyana again as long as they and the military are tied at the hip.  I want o trust the PNC, but cannot and no Indian should either.

FM
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Kari:
 

Kzaaaz, I'm reminded of the disclaimer on commercials for stock brokers "past behavior is not a good predictor of future performance".

 

Your point about it being easier for trust to be given to the PNC than it resorting to bad behavior is true and I agree. But the alternative is to accept that the PPP is going great guns - something that a whole lotta Guyanese living in impoverishment won't agree with. So it's a risk, just like in business you have to take risks before you get returns. You have to ask what mitigating circumstances are there with a PNC in government reverting to bad behavior. This is the 21st century with instant communications and a flatter world, and with civilians possessing arms. The 60s, 70s and 80s ain't gon happen again. Putin for instance may give hope to those who want to destroy this argument, but he will not even venture beyond Crimea. So I don't see the PNC government banning flour and peas, destroying the private sector, and putting all those trade restrictions and destroying freedom of the press (heck the PPP is doing a good job with the economic means of owning media nad press in "Guyna all by themselves).

And this is why I am on record as wanting a representative government in Guyana. Check my posts around the 2011 elections. There was hope for a balanced government with the infusion of the AFC. Unfortunately, the AFC by proxy joined with APNU to stifle the PPP. They would have been more useful had they become bargaining partners for all by 'you give us this, we give you that'. So the experiment did not work. And I am not yet ready for a return of a ruling PNC government. And that is all due to their past actions.

Let's not be naive Kzaaz. The PPP of Jagdeo wanted no part of a Ramjaaataaan (to borrow Nehru's intonation) AFC. You have to live in Guyana to understand these political dynamics. I don't live there but I know how to parse the tea leaves when people talk to me.


Both the PPP & PNC blew a golden opportunity at the last Elections. PPP blew it when they refused to Support Moses Nagamootoo to be Speaker of the House. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx PNC (APNU) exposed their hand when the said I will support an AFC candidate but not Moses an Indian. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx SO both PPP & PNC has a lot of apologizes to make to the Guyanese People....Everything Kari, Chief, Kzaaaz and CaribJ asking for.
FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

The PNC cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011 exposed the true intent and fraud of the PNC.  Their open message, cheer the AFC, split the Indian vote but "come home" on voting day.  When we win, we will use the military to ensure we (PNC) never ever leaves power again.  A key PNC operative told me in 2011, when/if the PNC wins, the will give Finance and Economics to the AFC, the PNC will own the GDF/GPF and all aspects of law are order and foreign policy.

 

The PNC must never be allowed to rule over Guyana again as long as they and the military are tied at the hip.  I want o trust the PNC, but cannot and no Indian should either.

the PNC must be the only set of wannabe dictators in HISTORY whose big plan to "never leave power" starts with the turn over of "Finance and Economics" to another party

 

baseman, you'd make a nice replacement klown for drugB if you weren't so consistently pathetic

FM
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I have been on record as fearing the PNC resorting to their old habit of rigging elections if they have the chance. It did not cross my mind that blacks would resort to street violence if they don't like what they see. After reading caribny's posts, I would have to be concerned by this kind of thug behavior.

 

But to his credit, he is a bigger man than redux who insist that the PNC does not need to show remorse for their brutal behavior during the PNC rule. So what does that say of redux given that caribny is somewhat inciting street violence.  

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:

I have been on record as fearing the PNC resorting to their old habit of rigging elections if they have the chance. It did not cross my mind that blacks would resort to street violence if they don't like what they see. After reading caribny's posts, I would have to be concerned by this kind of thug behavior.

 

But to his credit, he is a bigger man than redux who insist that the PNC does not need to show remorse for their brutal behavior during the PNC rule. So what does that say of redux given that caribny is somewhat inciting street violence.  

i deh pan yuh mind nuh bai?

 

brite sunlite hay . . . scurry, scurry

FM
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Originally Posted by ksazma:

I have been on record as fearing the PNC resorting to their old habit of rigging elections if they have the chance. It did not cross my mind that blacks would resort to street violence if they don't like what they see. After reading caribny's posts, I would have to be concerned by this kind of thug behavior.

 

But to his credit, he is a bigger man than redux who insist that the PNC does not need to show remorse for their brutal behavior during the PNC rule. So what does that say of redux given that caribny is somewhat inciting street violence.  

Of course you didn't include the fact that I stated that the PPP is as racist as the PNC was and so this is why any demands that the PNC apologize should also demand the same of the PPP.

 

Or better yet, just forget about demanding any apology from either.  The sins of each cancels out the other, so I  don't see this is necessary.

 

Now you in your ignorance can spread your bigoted crap that I am inspiring violence here in NYC.  So pathetic you are to think that any one in NYC can tell people in places like Agricola what they should do when even Granger lacks the ability to control them, once they get worked up.

 

So kill the messenger, malign him and call him a racist....and when he is proven right what will you say then!

 

When you think that one side should be appeased, and that all acts should cater to their fears, and then you ignore another this is what happens.

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:

I have been on record as fearing the PNC resorting to their old habit of rigging elections if they have the chance. It did not cross my mind that blacks would resort to street violence if they don't like what they see. After reading caribny's posts, I would have to be concerned by this kind of thug behavior.

 

But to his credit, he is a bigger man than redux who insist that the PNC does not need to show remorse for their brutal behavior during the PNC rule. So what does that say of redux given that caribny is somewhat inciting street violence.  

i deh pan yuh mind nuh bai?

 

brite sunlite hay . . . scurry, scurry

Nah bai. I don't know you and when I am not on GNI, you don't exist for me. Rigt now I am more involved in watching the NBA playoffs.

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The PNC cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011 exposed the true intent and fraud of the PNC.  Their open message, cheer the AFC, split the Indian vote but "come home" on voting day.  When we win, we will use the military to ensure we (PNC) never ever leaves power again.  A key PNC operative told me in 2011, when/if the PNC wins, the will give Finance and Economics to the AFC, the PNC will own the GDF/GPF and all aspects of law are order and foreign policy.

 

The PNC must never be allowed to rule over Guyana again as long as they and the military are tied at the hip.  I want o trust the PNC, but cannot and no Indian should either.

the PNC must be the only set of wannabe dictators in HISTORY whose big plan to "never leave power" starts with the turn over of "Finance and Economics" to another party

 

baseman, you'd make a nice replacement klown for drugB if you weren't so consistently pathetic

You think all "c00lies" stupid nah.  Remember, they (PNC) gave Finance to the UF if the 60's, well we know how that ended.  It surely rang hallow to me at the time causing me serious misgivings about the PNC's plan in 2011.  I saw history repeating itself and the Indian re-enslavement, except, no Jimmy Carter coming anytime soon.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by ksazma:

I have been on record as fearing the PNC resorting to their old habit of rigging elections if they have the chance. It did not cross my mind that blacks would resort to street violence if they don't like what they see. After reading caribny's posts, I would have to be concerned by this kind of thug behavior.

 

But to his credit, he is a bigger man than redux who insist that the PNC does not need to show remorse for their brutal behavior during the PNC rule. So what does that say of redux given that caribny is somewhat inciting street violence.  

And note that this is not the PNC.  These are disenfranchised people who have resorted to this in the past as they feel abandoned by all INCLUDING the PNC.

 

Now you in your ignorance can spread your bigoted crap that I am inspiring violence here in NYC.  So pathetic you are to think that any one in NYC can tell people in places like Agricola what they should do when even Granger lacks the ability to control them, once they get worked up.

 

So kill the messenger, malign him and call him a racist....and when he is proven right what will you say then!

 

When you think that one side should be appeased, and that all acts should cater to their fears, and then you ignore another this is what happens.

So yuh don't believe in talking things over? In negotiations? Does it have to be violence?

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The PNC cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011 exposed the true intent and fraud of the PNC.  Their open message, cheer the AFC, split the Indian vote but "come home" on voting day.  When we win, we will use the military to ensure we (PNC) never ever leaves power again.  A key PNC operative told me in 2011, when/if the PNC wins, the will give Finance and Economics to the AFC, the PNC will own the GDF/GPF and all aspects of law are order and foreign policy.

 

The PNC must never be allowed to rule over Guyana again as long as they and the military are tied at the hip.  I want o trust the PNC, but cannot and no Indian should either.

the PNC must be the only set of wannabe dictators in HISTORY whose big plan to "never leave power" starts with the turn over of "Finance and Economics" to another party

 

baseman, you'd make a nice replacement klown for drugB if you weren't so consistently pathetic

You think all "c00lies" stupid nah.  Remember, they (PNC) gave Finance to the UF if the 60's, well we know how that ended.  It surely rang hallow to me at the time causing me serious misgivings about the PNC's plan in 2011.  I saw history repeating itself and the Indian re-enslavement, except, no Jimmy Carter coming anytime soon.

yaaaaaaawwwwwn . . . baseman reaching fuh cleverness & tactics, only to squeeze wet shit again

 

nuff [face saving] back filling going on hay  . . . and it's "hollow" not "hallow" fool

 

poor u

FM
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Originally Posted by ksazma:
.

So yuh don't believe in talking things over? In negotiations? Does it have to be violence?

You don't get my point do you.  Nice middle class people negotiate.  The lumpen proletariat who feel abandoned by the nice middle class people who control APNu and the AFC, don't.

 

So I suggest that you, Kari, and baseman who think that the future of Guyana lies in appeasing Indians because of what you claim that the PNC did to them FORTY years ago, and ignoring the most impoverished blacks, are doomed to be very disappointed.

 

Will you wait to negotiate at a time when Granger has COMPLETELY lost control, this when the lumpen proletariat call him David Persaud, because he doesn't fit into some idealized fantasy that many of these youths who know nothing of the 80s have of Burnham?

 

Guyana is headed in a fearsome direction and it is sad that too many are locked into their own ethnocentric fantasies to notice this.

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The PNC cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011 exposed the true intent and fraud of the PNC.  Their open message, cheer the AFC, split the Indian vote but "come home" on voting day.  When we win, we will use the military to ensure we (PNC) never ever leaves power again.  A key PNC operative told me in 2011, when/if the PNC wins, the will give Finance and Economics to the AFC, the PNC will own the GDF/GPF and all aspects of law are order and foreign policy.

 

The PNC must never be allowed to rule over Guyana again as long as they and the military are tied at the hip.  I want o trust the PNC, but cannot and no Indian should either.

the PNC must be the only set of wannabe dictators in HISTORY whose big plan to "never leave power" starts with the turn over of "Finance and Economics" to another party

 

baseman, you'd make a nice replacement klown for drugB if you weren't so consistently pathetic

You think all "c00lies" stupid nah.  Remember, they (PNC) gave Finance to the UF if the 60's, well we know how that ended.  It surely rang hallow to me at the time causing me serious misgivings about the PNC's plan in 2011.  I saw history repeating itself and the Indian re-enslavement, except, no Jimmy Carter coming anytime soon.

yaaaaaaawwwwwn . . . baseman reaching fuh cleverness & tactics, only to squeeze wet shit again

 

poor u

I guess you out of bullets!

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
.

So yuh don't believe in talking things over? In negotiations? Does it have to be violence?

You don't get my point do you.  Nice middle class people negotiate.  The lumpen proletariat who feel abandoned by the nice middle class people who control APNu and the AFC, don't.

 

So I suggest that you, Kari, and baseman who think that the future of Guyana lies in appeasing Indians because of what you claim that the PNC did to them FORTY years ago, and ignoring the most impoverished blacks, are doomed to be very disappointed.

 

Will you wait to negotiate at a time when Granger has COMPLETELY lost control, this when the lumpen proletariat call him David Persaud, because he doesn't fit into some idealized fantasy that many of these youths who know nothing of the 80s have of Burnham?

 

Guyana is headed in a fearsome direction and it is sad that too many are locked into their own ethnocentric fantasies to notice this.

What racist BULL CRAP from you here CaribNU.

 

Have you never met an East Indian poor from Pigeon Island or Topoo in Albion?

 

What about the poorest people who live in the Hinterland, the BUCKman.

 

Can you understand why people do not take you serious.

 

Your racism destroy your message.

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The PNC cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011 exposed the true intent and fraud of the PNC.  Their open message, cheer the AFC, split the Indian vote but "come home" on voting day.  When we win, we will use the military to ensure we (PNC) never ever leaves power again.  A key PNC operative told me in 2011, when/if the PNC wins, the will give Finance and Economics to the AFC, the PNC will own the GDF/GPF and all aspects of law are order and foreign policy.

 

The PNC must never be allowed to rule over Guyana again as long as they and the military are tied at the hip.  I want o trust the PNC, but cannot and no Indian should either.

the PNC must be the only set of wannabe dictators in HISTORY whose big plan to "never leave power" starts with the turn over of "Finance and Economics" to another party

 

baseman, you'd make a nice replacement klown for drugB if you weren't so consistently pathetic

You think all "c00lies" stupid nah.  Remember, they (PNC) gave Finance to the UF if the 60's, well we know how that ended.  It surely rang hallow to me at the time causing me serious misgivings about the PNC's plan in 2011.  I saw history repeating itself and the Indian re-enslavement, except, no Jimmy Carter coming anytime soon.

yaaaaaaawwwwwn . . . baseman reaching fuh cleverness & tactics, only to squeeze wet shit again

 

poor u

yes I agree. BORING.  Typical PPP still cant get over what happened 50 years ago.  Granger is no Burnham and so will not be able to pull off the coup that Burnham did, and that is even if he were inclined to, which those who know him say he isn't.

 

Indeed we have kishan b here calling him a coward because he refuses to put black people in front of PPP bullets.

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:
 

Can you understand why people do not take you serious.

 

Your racism destroy your message.

People can say what you wish.  Go look at the youtube when Agricola people came out on the EB highway and tell me if this isn't something which terrifies you.

 

Oh yes,  these are the people who think that Burnham was a hero and life for black people under him was fantastic.

 

Note to you.  I have NEVER been to Agricola so attempt to blame me for that incident will make you look quite stupid.  If you don't understand the difference between a poor Indian who suffers, but is at least governed by the party that he voted for, and a poor black man who feels that he will be in perpetual poverty because he will be for ever excluded then its up to you.

 

But go youtube that Agricola road blockade.  And understand that it can happen in Albouystown, Tiger Bay and any where the next time the community feels that some police activity is harassing them.

FM
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Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Kari:
 

Kzaaaz get out of the last century.

I have. Unfortunately I don't think the PNC have. That is their burden. I have no obligation to trust anyone I feel don't deserve that trust.

The PNC cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011 exposed the true intent and fraud of the PNC.  Their open message, cheer the AFC, split the Indian vote but "come home" on voting day.  When we win, we will use the military to ensure we (PNC) never ever leaves power again.  A key PNC operative told me in 2011, when/if the PNC wins, the will give Finance and Economics to the AFC, the PNC will own the GDF/GPF and all aspects of law are order and foreign policy.

 

The PNC must never be allowed to rule over Guyana again as long as they and the military are tied at the hip.  I want o trust the PNC, but cannot and no Indian should either.

This post from Baseman is another set of racist bull shit.

 

These fly by night palatical analysist.  Notice my misspelling to state they cannot qualify for the right discipline, they are KWAKs.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The PNC cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011 exposed the true intent and fraud of the PNC.  Their open message, cheer the AFC, split the Indian vote but "come home" on voting day.  When we win, we will use the military to ensure we (PNC) never ever leaves power again.  A key PNC operative told me in 2011, when/if the PNC wins, the will give Finance and Economics to the AFC, the PNC will own the GDF/GPF and all aspects of law are order and foreign policy.

 

The PNC must never be allowed to rule over Guyana again as long as they and the military are tied at the hip.  I want o trust the PNC, but cannot and no Indian should either.

the PNC must be the only set of wannabe dictators in HISTORY whose big plan to "never leave power" starts with the turn over of "Finance and Economics" to another party

 

baseman, you'd make a nice replacement klown for drugB if you weren't so consistently pathetic

You think all "c00lies" stupid nah.  Remember, they (PNC) gave Finance to the UF if the 60's, well we know how that ended.  It surely rang hallow to me at the time causing me serious misgivings about the PNC's plan in 2011.  I saw history repeating itself and the Indian re-enslavement, except, no Jimmy Carter coming anytime soon.

yaaaaaaawwwwwn . . . baseman reaching fuh cleverness & tactics, only to squeeze wet shit again

 

nuff [face saving] back filling going on hay  . . . and it's "hollow" not "hallow" fool

 

poor u

I guess you out of bullets!

nope, no bullets . . . just my whip on your leprous hide

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:
 

This post from Baseman is another set of racist bull shit.

 

These fly by night palatical analysist.  Notice my misspelling to state they cannot qualify for the right discipline, they are KWAKs.

Think what you will but there are indeed elements from the old Burnham regime, the ones who didn't join the PPP, and who feel excluded by people like Granger, who might well embrace elements within these garrison communities to create problems.

 

So you and others can carry on with your narrative that the only actions which need to be taken is to appease the Indian voter.  There is an emerging security problem in Guyana.  Remember this if and when it happens.

 

As you appease the Indian, the blacks living in those impoverished communities need also to be appeased.  They have as long a list of grievances as does any other group.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
.

So yuh don't believe in talking things over? In negotiations? Does it have to be violence?

You don't get my point do you.  Nice middle class people negotiate.  The lumpen proletariat who feel abandoned by the nice middle class people who control APNu and the AFC, don't.

 

So I suggest that you, Kari, and baseman who think that the future of Guyana lies in appeasing Indians because of what you claim that the PNC did to them FORTY years ago, and ignoring the most impoverished blacks, are doomed to be very disappointed.

 

Will you wait to negotiate at a time when Granger has COMPLETELY lost control, this when the lumpen proletariat call him David Persaud, because he doesn't fit into some idealized fantasy that many of these youths who know nothing of the 80s have of Burnham?

 

Guyana is headed in a fearsome direction and it is sad that too many are locked into their own ethnocentric fantasies to notice this.

You don't have any point. The Indians did not resort to street violence during the PNC rule when they were being marginalized. They waited patiently and continued praying for relief. Eventually Burnham died and Hoyte was forced to make the 1985 elections the last rigged one. Why must you call for blacks to resort to street violence?

FM

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