Kari, Have you seen the behavior, attitudes and actions of the PNC on the Streets and in Parliament over the last few years??  What exactly makes the PNC a NEW, moral, caring and compassionate Group?? Is there something you are aware of that the rest of us are missing?  I asked these questions because many, many of us ARE aware of the PNC conduct and behavior both on the Streets and in Parliament.

The PNC need to apologize for their past sins.

I stayed away from the event yesterday because I feel that Granger need to come clean and express remorse with his role and the role of the GDF in robbing Guyanese the right to an elective Government.

I heard Vishnu Mahadeo was in attendace hopefully he can fill us in with what Mr Granger had to say.

such nonsense

where is the reciprocal call for a PPP "apology"?

one remembers Raphael Trotman apologizing . . . where is the dividend?

for y'all . . . this man of mixed race remains eternal blackman, eternal PNC, eternally cursed, unfit!

spare me the apology foolishness which only seems to interest those PPP 'clever' bais of a certain age making sure that the PNC-as-bogeyman flame burns brightly for a generation of Indians who knew not Burnham . . . and otherwise couldn't care less

What you have said above is the trap almost every Guyanese is caught in HENCE THE STAGNATION OF THE POLITICAL SYSTEM IN GUYANA.

We are speaking about the PNC here so leave the PPP out of this. Many of us including Kari are concerned about the well being of a major political party that can make a difference in the future of our beloved Guyana. I am saying that in order for the mass public to take the PNC seerriously they need to come clean and trust me that will give them an edge in any elections.

Far from what you think I believe in Pavi, the PNC HASN'T changed in the eyes of Guyanese. What has changed is the reality on the ground that Indian businesses have private armies and they have more firepower than slo-fiah, mo-fiah can conjure up. That fight is over with. The PNC has no ability to relive the 60s, 70s and 80s. That's why their whole existence has changed organically. Given that they have to rebrand themselves to what they are today. They are not that monster living in your mind. That's the reality I speak of and the PPP will continue to not give its best as long as they can get away with the general mistrust of the PNC. Ii would like to see government up its game, whether its the PPP or the PNC or AFC or whomever. That is not happening because the PNC seems determined to make folks like you Pavi think they are the PNC of the the Burnham era.

Far from what you think I believe in Pavi  I am no Miss cleo BUT you seem to think you have all the answers and know it all.

Chief said it well. The adversarial position of yours Redux is not helpful to your cause, which is the same as ours (people like Chief and myself). You're fighting the PPP with inadequate tools. As long as the PNC remains the object like it is in the minds of Nehru, Cobra, etc. the PPP wins forever.

You have to get out of the PPP-demonizing role alone. That will not give you the ROI on your emotional and intellectual investment. It is not helping the AFC as well to know that the PNC is undermining their effort. The PPP has the upper hand as long as we're in this mindset and they're laughing all the way to the bank, lirterally.

How helpful is this?

more nonsense

it is y'all who have designed and, as we see today, carefully prune & cultivate the "trap"

let me be clear . . . what y'all are really calling for is an apology by Afro-Guyanese to Indo-Guyanese and, given our history, THAT is truly offensive!

and, as to "leave the PPP out of this" . . . u have clean lost your freakin mind!

Nice one Kari!!!

So was Burnham before the power made him take advantage of others. One cannot assume that Granger wouldn't become another Burnham.

You asked in the title "When will the PNC gain the trust of Guyanese" I say that it is easier for Guyanese to give the PNC their trust than it is for the PNC to not resort to their old antics once given that power.

Karhee, I asked you I believe two simple questions and you are telling me what you think I believe. Very helpful indeed.  You need to Gotay before you hit the rice.:::::::

I hope Redux read this response.

The Guyanese people need reassurance .

Ksa the younger generation of Guyanese who are witnessing the wholesale thieving by the PPP WILL EVENTUALLY have the same fears.

Only because we don't live anymore in that PNC tight gripped environment of old.

So be it!!!

You are subscribing to  the cruel cycle of " It's awwee time now"

Even I am not pleased with the actions of the PPP Chief but one thing has been constant since 1992. They have not denied any party the free right to replace them in government. The PNC record is the opposite.

please explain how i'm "subscribing" to that!

crude sophistry . . . look it up

Only because they don't have the upper hand now. The last time they had it, they took over even the British people businesses. Who is to say they wouldn't resort to nationalizing these private businesses again. Unfortunately, the PNC don't have a good track record.

i suppose because he is blackman . . . nah su bai?

undiluted tribal cant, without even the 'normal' pretensions to reason, belief in a social contract, democracy, etc

beyond cant . . . wandering into illogic, hysteria, low-minded race baiting and ignorance now

Kari and Chief, please come in

No need to make anything up about the record of the PNC. You may wish for a PNC redux but you would be a fool to deny their history. However, you are free to do so.

Kzaaaz, I'm reminded of the disclaimer on commercials for stock brokers "past behavior is not a good predictor of future performance".

Your point about it being easier for trust to be given to the PNC than it resorting to bad behavior is true and I agree. But the alternative is to accept that the PPP is going great guns - something that a whole lotta Guyanese living in impoverishment won't agree with. So it's a risk, just like in business you have to take risks before you get returns. You have to ask what mitigating circumstances are there with a PNC in government reverting to bad behavior. This is the 21st century with instant communications and a flatter world, and with civilians possessing arms. The 60s, 70s and 80s ain't gon happen again. Putin for instance may give hope to those who want to destroy this argument, but he will not even venture beyond Crimea. So I don't see the PNC government banning flour and peas, destroying the private sector, and putting all those trade restrictions and destroying freedom of the press (heck the PPP is doing a good job with the economic means of owning media nad press in "Guyna all by themselves).

fool, look up the word . . . arite?

The black man of the PNC era could have presented himself differently but chose the one that is distrustful to many. You can chose to put that burden on me but that would be your own delusion.

As usual, it doesn't take long for you to get emotionally out of control. You may be able to extend your lifespan if you avoid discussions that are out of your league. You sound old and crotchety again.

No Kzaaaz we live in the 21st century. Let's go back to the future. It's 1973 and the PNC tries to rig to elections. First of all the GDF soldiers deployed in Indian neighborhoods will have to fear their camp will be overrun. They know that their actions will be on the Internet. The International community will have observers in the country. Ban flour? You will see that in all Guyanese homes. There are too many Guyanese living abroad and too many routes established.

why are we building this fear of a PNC monster? Or a Blackman monster? Get out of your collective intellectual stupor and see reality. Say we want no Blackman a President and a Black party ruling. You'll get more traction that way and we'll all hold a hawan and quranic reading for the exalted PPP./

Very succinct....well put.

For now, you should go take your meds. Make sure there is a truth serum included. And also one for your black this coolie that obsession.

Good one Redux....the irony is not misplaced. I've gotten anecdotes of PPP malfeasance come elections.

Kzaaaz get out of the last century. Russia will invade Poland right?

You're making my point Kzaaz. The Black responded to the PNC tribally the same way Indians would to the PPP - because of the fear and mistrust. That's the cycle we intelligent people in the 21st century are trying to break out of. Obama won in 2008 by good Americans breaking out of a certain mentality. Maybe we will - emigration of Indians, demographic change, continued squalor amidst pockets of garrulous riches.

And this is why I am on record as wanting a representative government in Guyana. Check my posts around the 2011 elections. There was hope for a balanced government with the infusion of the AFC. Unfortunately, the AFC by proxy joined with APNU to stifle the PPP. They would have been more useful had they become bargaining partners for all by 'you give us this, we give you that'. So the experiment did not work. And I am not yet ready for a return of a ruling PNC government. And that is all due to their past actions.

Richmond Hill, the epicenter of the Guyanese worldwide

Vish, you've been to Flatbush and Church. Why make an assertion like that?

Anyhow I'll have to call you as I've been provided by credible sources of an attempt yesterday championed by you that is below par. I'll explain.

Vish

This is an interesting topic.

I have. Unfortunately I don't think the PNC have. That is their burden. I have no obligation to trust anyone I feel don't deserve that trust.

alyuh two disappoint me [i really didn't think it was possible]

soo . . . cobra/nerhu and other GNI posters devoid of politics and infected with the incurable beast of racism need to be 'catered to' for democratic change to become a reality in Guyana . . . seriously?

reversing evolution and bringing ignorant knuckle-draggers along is a bridge too far for me

that's not why i post here

smh

Let's not be naive Kzaaz. The PPP of Jagdeo wanted no part of a Ramjaaataaan (to borrow Nehru's intonation) AFC. You have to live in Guyana to understand these political dynamics. I don't live there but I know how to parse the tea leaves when people talk to me.