Carib, I think you're on something here. I don't thing Maduro admin would like the invasion idea knowing that big brother is watching. Venezuela have much more to lose that to gain from an attempt invasion on Guyana. 

Someone quick, ring Whitehall and inform them that UK Forces are somehow committed to fighting Guyana's wars

You idiots are beyond words. Such idiocy is dangerous because I'm sure Takuba Lodge believes this fantasy too

It known that should Venezuela ever invade, indeed Brazil will immediately come to the defense of Guyana.

Regarding Guyana and Brazil, there will always be ongoing discussions, agreements and developments between the two countries.

Guyana has the right to defend the Argentines, and the UK and the USA also have the right to ignore Guyana, should Venezuela invade.  Of course they will pretend to care by issuing statements protesting the invasion, but both will continue to maintain diplomatic and economic ties with Venezuela.

It boils down to this.  The 30 million Venezuelans, and the fact that Venezuela has now surpassed Saudi in possessing the world's largest oil/gas reserves means that they represent value for these nations.  Now what does Guyana have?

Guyana can cuss down US and UK and Canadian diplomats all they wish, not understanding that they aren't cussing down the man, but the nation that he/she represents.  Why should these countries spend money and risk the death of their citizens in a war to defend Guyana.  So that the PPP can cuss them down again?

I doubt the Brazilians will automatically jump in unless the Guyana can leverage some big Brazilian economic projects in Essequibo...and soon!

One needs to be cognizant of the agreements signed between Britain and its former colonies, specifically regarding Britain's right to defend any of the former colonies.

You all cussed down the US ambassador some time back, and don't seem to notice that no one with ambassadorial ranking has replaced him. 

The USA does NOT care about Guyana, and indeed to most, including Obama, Guyana is just a backwater nation good for a good comedic novel about how ridiculous third world countries are.  Even the other day I had to tell a very educated American that they don't speak Dutch or French in Guyana.

 I am sure that there is some sort of limitations and after almost 50 years of independence the UK will have no such obligation.

Why should the UK defend Guyana when Guyana supports a nation with which they have a territorial dispute?  Just as Guyana has the right to support which ever nation they chose, so too does the UK.  As of now Venezuela is far more valuable to the UK than is Guyana.

Do you know that Guyana is the ONLY former British colony in the Caribbean with a jet airport with no service from a UK carrier?  And don't scream about the runway because Grand Cayman's runway is 400 feet SHORTER than GEO and yet BA flies there 4X weekly.

Brazil will not jump in.  They will merely call Maduro, or which ever president runs Venezuela then, and tell them what they will do to them if they invade.

Venezuela also claims part of Colombia.  Do you think that Colombia will sit idly by if Venezuela attempts to enforce one of its two claims?

Venezuela will neither invade, nor will they drop the border claim.  It isn't as if there is anything in Guyana, but culturally incompatible people.

There are other border disputes in South America and Brazil, which sees itself as the dominant power in that continent, will not encourage instability, that heightened hostilities will create.

No limitations.

So when Venezuela invades Guyana, after Guyana cussed out the UK and screaming that they are a sovereign nation, do you think so highly of the British that they would care?  Tell me something.  Do they really care about the Ebola virus which is decimating Sierra Leone? Or the Boko Haram, which is terrorizing millions of their former colonials in Nigeria.

So spare me the nonsense that some little remote South American nation with a population the size of a town, and with no strategic interests for the UK will lead to them spending money and risking the death of UK citizens? 

Do understand that if the UK attacks Venezuela, that nation will gain the support of the same Latin America countries which now endorse Argentina's claims.

You didn't think of that did you!

Guyana spits at the UK and the USA that it is a sovereign nation so they should butt out of its affairs.  Guyana endorses Argentina's claims for the Falklands even though 99.99999% of the islanders do not wish to become part of Argentina.

The USA refuses to replace the ambassador who the PPP humiliated.  \

And they think that the UK and the USA will rush to defend Guyana, jeopardizing the considerably more important economic ties that they have with South American nations.

Guess where the UK sends trade missions in the Caribbean.  Not Jamaica. Not Guyana.  Not Barbados.  They go to Cuba and the Dominican Republic (two nations which will back Venezuela if attacked by the UK).

Why do we think that "Mother" England still exists? She told her broke pocket colonies to scram 50 years ago as she tired of supporting them.  She promptly increased barriers to restrict their entry into the UK as immigrants as well!

So they think that Mummy is going to rush to protect her most recalcitrant and rude "ADULT child" because a neighborhood bully attacked them?  NO!

Unrelated.

These PPP freaks are so naive.

The sheer stupidity on this thread is astounding even by the very very low IQ standards of Guyana and GNI.

I never thought that Darwinian Theory could be applied to nations because to do so would lead to racism. But I think it is possible to make the argument that some tribes/lineages of humanity should be allowed to go extinct, for the benefit of the remainder of humanity. Guyana qualifies first on the list.

Tell me. Why should the UK supports Guyana's border claims, when Guyana supports Argentina's claims against Falklanders who have rejected any attempts by Argentina to rule them?

And hypocritical. They cuss out the UK and the USA for interfering in the affairs of a sovereign nation, but yet expect that the UK and the USA will defend Guyana in the unlikely event that Venezuela decides to invade.

Note that since the cussed out the last US ambassador no new one has been appointed as a replacement.  Obviously Guyana isn't seen as being of any importance to the USA.

Quite simply ... review the specific documents officially signed where Britain clearly stated that it-Britain will defend the interest of any former colony.

Argentina/Falkland issues are unrelated.

And if the UK refuses to defend Guyana what is the PPP going to do?  CRY?

Don't be silly. We're gonna cuss dem down again.

That always works so well in diplomacy

Again ... Review the specific documents.

You have presented another irrelevant question.

Allah ho Akbar!

We not only have documents to protect us, we have "specific" documents.

We all know how countries go to war based on specific documents inked decades prior with former colonies

Burnham must have been pretty stupid because these "specific" documents didn't make him feel any safer from Venezuela

Rouk, you ever read that article on the Ankoko incursion?

Yes I already hear the PPP screams.  This party, which is as racist towards Afro Guyanese as the British planters were, will have the temerity to scream that the UK owes Guyana this to compensate for slavery.

Britain will NOT attack Venezuela to defend Guyana when Venezuela is a huge market of 30 million and has the world's largest reserves of oil and gas.

Now what does Guyana have?  Why should the UK abide by agreements locked in some drawer and long lost.  This for a nation which screams and cusses out UK High Commissioners on a regular basis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagossians

Please read and see how the UK double crossed these people and then tell me why they will treat Guyana any different.  Yes there were many agreements too!

You live in Canada.  How many "agreements" that the Canadian government signed with the various Native Canadian nations were not ignored when those people were dumped into poverty and humiliation?

Spare me your screams about "document".  That is just the beginning of another PPP biting of the hand which it demands should feed it.

Please remind these PPP idiots that the "patriots" that they pretend to be were in Venezuela during this era, begging them to invade Guyana.

Like you said their nationality isn't Guyanese, so it doesn't matter to some of them if Guyana exists or not, that is unless they happen to be in power at the time of the invasion.  

Continued irrelevance on the agreement between Britain and the former colonies regarding this specific item.

Statement of the The Rt. Hon. Minister in the FCO on Behalf of the Prime Minister on the Subject of Guyana in the House of Commons

HC Deb 27 April 1970

Order for Second Reading read.

8.25 p.m.

The Joint Under-Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (Mr. Maurice Foley)

This leads me on to the hon. Gentleman’s question about defence. He rightly said that there have been statements in the House by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister and other Ministers, in answer to Questions, on our relationship in defence matters with the Government of Guyana. I want to make it clear that we have no defence agreement with the Government of Guyana. This is in accordance with our practice not to conclude defence agreements with countries in which we have no direct defence interest. But a military attack against Guayana would naturally be a matter of serious concern to Britain. The action that Her Majesty’s Government might take in such an event would be determined in the light of all the circumstances prevailing at the time. I am reiterating what has been publicly stated in the House. This is still our policy, and will continue to be so.

Sir Humprey Applebey explains the British Foreign & Commonwealth Office's Policy on helping Commonwealth nations better than I:

I see so when the British tossed out the Chagossians from their territory with promises to resettle them, but then left them tyo fester in slums in Mauritius that is irrelevant.

So tell me what makes Guyana so precious that the British will not also renege on promises to defend them?

Don't worry Shaitaan, DG thinks that an outburst of wailing by the PPP, or threats by them to invade the UK will be enough for the UK to make an exception, and attack a nation with a powerful military on behalf of one located in the backwaters of South America.

Even though this is said in jest, this is exactly what the UK gov't will do.  They will issue a press release condemning the attack on Guyana.  Of course any motion for the UK to help Guyana will be dismissed with evidence that the UK has no obligation to do so, and that Guyana presents no strategic or economic interest that the UK gov't will see fit to defend.

DG is now bust rummaging through his drawers to find that special document which he insists will obligate a nation, infamous for not fulfilling its obligations to impoverished former colonies, to protect Guyana.  Even though just about every UK High Commissioner to that South America mud bank has been roundly cussed out by its despotic and power drunk leaders who cannot even command the majority support from the much beleaguered population.

DG will say that the British said this because the PNC was in power then.

He of course will forget that the PNC was there largely because the UK didn't want the PPP there instead.

"The action that Her Majesty’s Government might take in such an event would be determined in the light of all the circumstances prevailing at the time."

If the British decides to assist Guyana, one of their request would be for the PPP govt to step down before any help be given. They know they would be stabbed in the back soon as the PPP are done with them.

I often wonder why people who live in a country with fewer than one million people think that major world leaders spend any time thinking of them.

I can assure you that it has been many years since David Cameron has uttered one word about Guyana.  Though he often talks about UK commercial interests in many South American nations.

So the UK will NOT invade under any conditions, and will rely on Guyanese to fix their own mess.  This is why on May 26, 1966 Guyana was given independence, so that they would no longer be a burden to the UK.  The most they will do for Guyana is to support a motion at the UN condemning Venezuelan actions. 

The USA will "threaten" Venezuela, after a phone call informing them that is only for PR purposes, and that Venezuela should continue to expect the USA to remain a major buyer of their oil/gas exports.

The level of PPP/C supporter delusions beggars belief. They just assume facts not in reality, often hostile to other well established facts in said reality.

This was a very pro-Guyanese UK Conservative Government that was absolutely clear that Guyana was on it's own vis a vis military invasions.

I actually inquired among some GDF officers who served under Burnham. Guyana's whole national defense strategy vis a vis a Venezuelan attack was for the GDF to hold on for twenty four hours to give Guyana time to run to the UN Security Council and complain. In no way was UK or American military support taken as a given. Like all small states with next to zero military capacity surrounded by hostile neighbors, sound diplomacy and the precepts of international law are what constitute our protection. There is no fantasy defense umbrella for the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth is something that exists so that Anglophone elites can occasionally get together at public expense. Beyond that, I'm not sure what they precisely do.

The operative word "action" in government means something as little as a strongly worded statement. A press release constitutes "action" in government.

Some of us may not live to see this but one day in the future Venezuela will invade Guyana and take a huge chunk of land.  Britain will not send its sons and daughters to fight for independent Guyana.

Guyana may be doomed to be a failed state and just a future province or provinces of its neighbors.

We were a "nation" as a consequence of the accidents of history and the legal edifice that constitute our nationhood has never progressed beyond being largely theoretical. For many of us, Guyana was and will remain a (relatively) brief stopover from India to the US or Africa to the US.

This is a gem. Thanks, Shaitaan.

Simply a statement in a discussion.

The fundamental issue is the official documents regarding Britain's commitment to all former colonies where another country attacks or make aggression against the country.

Read highlighted paragraph in blue.