Gilbakka posted:

Gail unearthed some worms in the Chronicle. Jagdeo explains:

https://youtu.be/gdvriC-c12U

Gilly,

is it possible that these people may have changed their addresses...and this may have explained the discrepancy in the addresses?

Perhaps a more convincing case can be made if ALL the applicants for citizenship are compiled and an assessment done to determine their ethnicity. The assumption is that if its mostly non-Indos then Jagdeo could make a stronger case.

Having said this....I am absolutely certain that the coalition (PNC primarily) is taking steps to rig the election, given the fact that the last one was a close election and new parties may siphoon off a handful of votes away from the coalition. They have to have a plan to ensure that the PPP does not get back into office, at least not when the stakes are so high.

The Minister of Citizenship, which is responsible for determining citizenship and issuing birth certificates is in a position to facilitate the rigging.

If this is the case, as Jagdeo is now implying, why is the coalition not taking to the streets to protest and make this into a federal case? It is as if the opposition are simply powerless, and are sitting back simply complaining and not take actions that will demonstrate their resoluteness and their anger....their continued verbal passive protest will only embolden the coalition, which now seems totally oblivious to any calls for inclusion. The PPP leaders are continuing a tradition of passifying their supporters....nothing will come out of this, especially if they believe that they have an important role to play in the development of the country. 

I guess my question is this....why does the PPP not see it fit to include street actions, combined with its press conference, if the party expects to really send a message to the ABCs?   

That trick of registering at different addresses and voting at two polling stations on election day was tried before in Guyana. PPP has the evidence.

Gilbakka posted:

That trick of registering at different addresses and voting at two polling stations on election day was tried before in Guyana. PPP has the evidence.

Then the PPP needs to do a forensic and comprehensive compilation of all these individuals since its published in the Chronicle...then make a federal case of it to expose the fraud.

4th grade nonsense from Jagdeo

of a piece with the supposed 5,000 newly naturalized "Haitians" put on the voters roll by the PNC . . . that nobody, not even the ELITE LIARS at Freedom House can 'find'

labba running with duh though . . . he mussbe hiding them in he bt

Gilbakka, like plenty here drinking deep from the race CUP done gone cynic tribal and isn't even pretending at reason anymore

that's y'all right

i watch and am not amazed

smfh

VishMahabir posted:

 

I am absolutely certain that the coalition (PNC primarily) is taking steps to rig the election, given the fact that the last one was a close election and new parties may siphoon off a handful of votes away from the coalition. They have to have a plan to ensure that the PPP does not get back into office, at least not when the stakes are so high.

The Minister of Citizenship, which is responsible for determining citizenship and issuing birth certificates is in a position to facilitate the rigging.

based on what sir?

'ah doan trust dem' is not a credible reason

that's labbaspeak when he was caught with a backpack full of lies and disinformation

you tek a public sh!t here and call it "evidence"

smfh

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

I am absolutely certain that the coalition (PNC primarily) is taking steps to rig the election, given the fact that the last one was a close election and new parties may siphoon off a handful of votes away from the coalition. They have to have a plan to ensure that the PPP does not get back into office, at least not when the stakes are so high.

The Minister of Citizenship, which is responsible for determining citizenship and issuing birth certificates is in a position to facilitate the rigging.

based on what sir?

'ah doan trust dem' is not a credible reason

that's labbaspeak when he was caught with a backpack full of lies and disinformation

you tek a public sh!t here and call it "evidence"

smfh

"I am absolutely certain..."

Writings on the wall bro....do i need to spell it out?

-Hammie cussin Carter Center (preemptive strike to prevent observers)...not to mention his physical threats to Carter

-Felix... "the caught on tape fella"...in charge of birth certificate

-Coalition won by one vote....possibly diminished now with AFC losing support

-Small parties capturing handful of coalition votes

-Oil money near flowing...stakes are high

-Poor showing at LGE

-History history and history of rigging

-Beware...Jagdeo and the PPP are bloodsuckers, not good enough to get their corrupt hands on government

-Granger's infatuation with Burnhamism.. .

Tek you pick......Plenty evidence, and a pattern to suit....as foolish as Guyanese may be....dem know there is a foul smell in de air...some gon throw their hands in de air, others gon hold their nose and smile...after the election.

You dont think Jagdeo have a right to be nervous? 

Vish Mahabir, you seem gullible, use your noodle and sense of real reasoning, as a young individual you are above some of the sheeple on GNI.

VishMahabir posted:

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

I am absolutely certain that the coalition (PNC primarily) is taking steps to rig the election, given the fact that the last one was a close election and new parties may siphoon off a handful of votes away from the coalition. They have to have a plan to ensure that the PPP does not get back into office, at least not when the stakes are so high.

The Minister of Citizenship, which is responsible for determining citizenship and issuing birth certificates is in a position to facilitate the rigging.

based on what sir?

'ah doan trust dem' is not a credible reason

that's labbaspeak when he was caught with a backpack full of lies and disinformation

you tek a public sh!t here and call it "evidence"

smfh

"I am absolutely certain..."

Writings on the wall bro....do i need to spell it out?

-Hammie cussin Carter Center (preemptive strike to prevent observers)...not to mention his physical threats to Carter

-Felix... "the caught on tape fella"...in charge of birth certificate

-Coalition won by one vote....possibly diminished now with AFC losing support

-Small parties capturing handful of coalition votes

-Oil money near flowing...stakes are high

-Poor showing at LGE

-History history and history of rigging

-Beware...Jagdeo and the PPP are bloodsuckers, not good enough to get their corrupt hands on government

-Granger's infatuation with Burnhamism.. .

Tek you pick......Plenty evidence, and a pattern to suit....as foolish as Guyanese may be....dem know there is a foul smell in de air...some gon throw their hands in de air, others gon hold their nose and smile...after the election.

You dont think Jagdeo have a right to be nervous? 

you are an unserious joker

i say "unserious" because i am unconvinced that the intellectual deficits manifest in your 'response' are real

go re-read my posts on this thread

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

I am absolutely certain that the coalition (PNC primarily) is taking steps to rig the election, given the fact that the last one was a close election and new parties may siphoon off a handful of votes away from the coalition. They have to have a plan to ensure that the PPP does not get back into office, at least not when the stakes are so high.

The Minister of Citizenship, which is responsible for determining citizenship and issuing birth certificates is in a position to facilitate the rigging.

based on what sir?

'ah doan trust dem' is not a credible reason

that's labbaspeak when he was caught with a backpack full of lies and disinformation

you tek a public sh!t here and call it "evidence"

smfh

Snowy you really believe that pnc don't have plans to rig? Dem bannas gun hold on to power fuh de next 100 years by hook or by crook. 

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/ca...GEORGETOWN278_a.html

1. (U) SUMMARY. Georgetown is flush with intrigue as a joint army/police team conducted raids March 19-20 on drug lord Shaheed "Roger" Khan's properties and, concurrently, a secret recording of Police Commissioner Winston Felix's phone conversations was anonymously and widely distributed to the media, GoG, private sector, and diplomatic missions. Theories abound as to the motives and linkages behind these events, but no conclusive explanations have emerged yet. However, one thing is clear - the power struggle between narco-trafficking interests and the Guyanese state has escalated to a new level. END SUMMARY. --------------------------------------------- -------- Army/Police Joint Operation Targets Khan's Properties --------------------------------------------- --------

2. (U) The Guyana Defence Force (GDF) and Guyana Police Force (GPF) conducted a joint operation March 19 and 20, targeting homes and businesses belonging to Guyana's top drug lord Shaheed "Roger" Khan. The GDF spearheaded the operation, with the GPF in tow to make arrests and ensure chain of custody for seized evidence.

3. (C) The GDF claims that the operation was part of its attempt to recover the 33 AK-47s and other weapons that disappeared from the GDF headquarters' armory one month ago (ref B). Given Khan's known role as a large-scale weapons trafficker, it seems unlikely that he would resort to stealing weapons from the GDF. It is more plausible that the GDF wanted to counteract the growing impunity with which criminal organizations are operating in Guyana. Post sources indicate the operation was a scattershot effort in hopes of finding anything incriminating. Regardless of the motive, Post believes the operation succeeded in penetrating criminal organizations' comfort zones and, specifically, ratcheting up the pressure on Khan.

4. (C) According to public reports, the joint team has seized cocaine and illegal firearms and detained nineteen people and 175 vehicles. In March 20 meeting with Charge and UK and Canada High Commissioners, Minister of Home Affairs Gail Teixeira added that the operation netted 41 kilograms of cocaine, GPF and GDF uniforms, computers, and sophisticated communications intercept equipment. The GDF has custody of the seized items and has requested USG assistance with forensic analysis - particularly of the computers. Post has offered Teixeira such assistance in writing and is making necessary arrangements with LEGATT.

5. (C) Khan's whereabouts are unknown. Teixeira said he must have been tipped off to the raid, even though the GDF planned the operation unbeknownst to both GPF and Teixeira. --------------------------------------------- ----------- Secret Tape of Police Commissioner's Phone Call Released SIPDIS --------------------------------------------- -----------

6. (C) A taped conversation between GPF Commissioner Winston Felix and opposition party PNC/R executive committee member Basil Williams was anonymously and widely distributed March 20 to the media, GoG, private sector, and diplomatic missions. Post was already familiar with a shorter version of the tape, which appears to be a Khan production. Khan had for some time been seeking an outlet for the tape; the Ambassador and DCM discussed it with Teixeira March 10 (ref A). Khan was pushing the spin that the longer recording implicates Felix in deliberately misdirecting the investigation into the recent murders at Agricola (ref B), leading to the conclusion that Felix should be sacked and replaced by (the notoriously corrupt) Deputy Police Commissioner/Crime Chief Henry Greene.

7. (U) Reaction to the tape from the media and GoG has been surprisingly muted so far. Teixeira released a statement that the GoG was "deeply disturbed about the circulation and broadcast" of the tape, which had "implications for national security". The media's cautiousness partly derives from a sense that there is a lot they do not know rather than from lack of interest. More attention has been paid to the potential origins and the security implications of the tape - how and why were the Police Commissioner's phone calls recorded. The press has even speculated that Khan has intercept equipment capable of producing such a tape.

8. (U) The taped conversation itself spans a variety of topics - including the GPF's response to the Agricola murders, the upcoming national elections, and Ronald Waddell's execution (refs B and D). However, the conversation does not seem to contain incriminating statements. It does contain a frank, expletive-laced discussion between the Police Commissioner and a senior opposition politician about serious criminal activities. The tape actually captures Felix making some reasonable comments - such as, "some people don't understand, you know once you want to play with violence, violence will have to surround you". Certainly the tape may be embarrassing for the conversants and their bosses, but it does not actually implicate anyone in anything. The tape is a tool in Khan's plot to get rid of Felix because the commissioner is intent on fighting organized crime.

9. (S) Ambassador spoke early March 20 with Norman McLean - former Commissioner of Police and former head of the GDF - regarding the tape. McLean said that President Jagdeo had heard the tape and that Felix would be offered early retirement. Greene, who has a heavily tarnished reputation and a relationship with Khan, is the logical choice to replace Felix. Post is seeking Department concurrence to have Greene's visa revoked on those grounds.

10. (S) Charge and UK and Canadian High Commissioners met with Teixeira evening of March 20. Teixeira agreed that given the dubious origins of the tape and likelihood that it had been edited before its release, there should be due consideration before any decisions are taken regarding Felix's continued employment. However, Teixeira also indicated that the tape and Felix's future would be a major subject on the agenda for the March 21 Cabinet meeting and that she could not guarantee that cooler heads would prevail. Charge and the High Commissioners indicated that there would be serious difficulties for continued bilateral police cooperation if Greene were named Police Commissioner. Teixeira concurred that Greene would be a problem for many reasons and asked for assistance in leaking to the media the fact that the tape originated with Khan.

11. (S) As of March 23, Felix's position is still vulnerable, but improving. Teixeira told Charge March 22 that she "got things on a more even keel" at the Cabinet meeting. Sources indicate a meeting/confrontation between President Jagdeo and Felix occurred March 21, during which Jagdeo demanded that Felix retract certain statements that could be interpreted as implying GoG involvement with the tape. Felix refused, and he apparently also refused to take early retirement. Sacking Felix would require investigation and action by the Disciplined Services Commission. Given the lack of serious impropriety on the longer version of the tape and the lack of concern from the media and the public regarding Felix's remarks as recorded, it seems unlikely that a call for an investigation of Felix would gain much traction. The bottom line is that the general public thinks that whatever Felix said in his private conversations makes for a relatively innocuous indisretion compared to secretly recording phone calls of senior government officials.

------- Comment ------- 12. (S) The release of the secret tape within a day of the GDF/GPF raid on Khan's properties is an unlikely coincidence. Khan reportedly despises Felix because he is resistant to Khan's control. It is almost certain that Khan wants Felix replaced by someone more pliable - someone like Greene. Even though Felix was not the driving force behind the raid on Khan (GDF Chief of Staff Edward Collins was), releasing the tape was probably Khan's (or his associates') way of fighting back. If that was Khan's strategy, it has backfired so far.

13. (C) Comment continued. The role of McLean and fellow Private Sector Commission leader Jerry Gouveia in spreading word of the tape is also troubling. Gouveia in particular has played the role of Khan's cheerleader in recent weeks, vouching for the legitimacy of the tape and Khan himself. It is unclear whether these eminent figures sought to discredit Felix simply because they think he is incompetent or for a less benign reason.

Teixeira has told Charge and UK and Canada High Commissioners that Gouveia and McLean enjoy a very close relationship with and ready access to President Jagdeo, including the ability "to pick up the telephone and call him at any time", which implies an uncomfortably convenient link between Jagdeo and Khan.

Another one for you Vish Mahabir, as mentioned read and learn.

Drugb posted:

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

I am absolutely certain that the coalition (PNC primarily) is taking steps to rig the election, given the fact that the last one was a close election and new parties may siphoon off a handful of votes away from the coalition. They have to have a plan to ensure that the PPP does not get back into office, at least not when the stakes are so high.

The Minister of Citizenship, which is responsible for determining citizenship and issuing birth certificates is in a position to facilitate the rigging.

based on what sir?

'ah doan trust dem' is not a credible reason

that's labbaspeak when he was caught with a backpack full of lies and disinformation

you tek a public sh!t here and call it "evidence"

smfh

you really believe that pnc don't have plans to rig? Dem bannas gun hold on to power fuh de next 100 years by hook or by crook. 

unlike you, i am not privy to the innermost thoughts of recidivist rogues in the PNC

what i know and the public knows is that the coalition has held 2 clean LG elections in less than 4 years, a feat the PPP couldn't pull off in 23 years

2015 proved that the PPP can be beat, even with a dutty list, gocool boodhoo and SOP shenanigans

you, jagdeo, gail, labba and the rest bring nothing but your alienation, contempt and cynicism/scampishness to the table

all else related from y'all is just skvnt

Django posted:

Vish Mahabir, you seem gullible, use your noodle and sense of real reasoning, as a young individual you are above some of the sheeple on GNI.

What are you contesting?

Django posted:

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/ca...GEORGETOWN278_a.html

1. (U) SUMMARY. Georgetown is flush with intrigue as a joint army/police team conducted raids March 19-20 on drug lord Shaheed "Roger" Khan's properties and, concurrently, a secret recording of Police Commissioner Winston Felix's phone conversations was anonymously and widely distributed to the media, GoG, private sector, and diplomatic missions. Theories abound as to the motives and linkages behind these events, but no conclusive explanations have emerged yet. However, one thing is clear - the power struggle between narco-trafficking interests and the Guyanese state has escalated to a new level. END SUMMARY. --------------------------------------------- -------- Army/Police Joint Operation Targets Khan's Properties --------------------------------------------- --------

2. (U) The Guyana Defence Force (GDF) and Guyana Police Force (GPF) conducted a joint operation March 19 and 20, targeting homes and businesses belonging to Guyana's top drug lord Shaheed "Roger" Khan. The GDF spearheaded the operation, with the GPF in tow to make arrests and ensure chain of custody for seized evidence.

3. (C) The GDF claims that the operation was part of its attempt to recover the 33 AK-47s and other weapons that disappeared from the GDF headquarters' armory one month ago (ref B). Given Khan's known role as a large-scale weapons trafficker, it seems unlikely that he would resort to stealing weapons from the GDF. It is more plausible that the GDF wanted to counteract the growing impunity with which criminal organizations are operating in Guyana. Post sources indicate the operation was a scattershot effort in hopes of finding anything incriminating. Regardless of the motive, Post believes the operation succeeded in penetrating criminal organizations' comfort zones and, specifically, ratcheting up the pressure on Khan.

4. (C) According to public reports, the joint team has seized cocaine and illegal firearms and detained nineteen people and 175 vehicles. In March 20 meeting with Charge and UK and Canada High Commissioners, Minister of Home Affairs Gail Teixeira added that the operation netted 41 kilograms of cocaine, GPF and GDF uniforms, computers, and sophisticated communications intercept equipment. The GDF has custody of the seized items and has requested USG assistance with forensic analysis - particularly of the computers. Post has offered Teixeira such assistance in writing and is making necessary arrangements with LEGATT.

5. (C) Khan's whereabouts are unknown. Teixeira said he must have been tipped off to the raid, even though the GDF planned the operation unbeknownst to both GPF and Teixeira. --------------------------------------------- ----------- Secret Tape of Police Commissioner's Phone Call Released SIPDIS --------------------------------------------- -----------

6. (C) A taped conversation between GPF Commissioner Winston Felix and opposition party PNC/R executive committee member Basil Williams was anonymously and widely distributed March 20 to the media, GoG, private sector, and diplomatic missions. Post was already familiar with a shorter version of the tape, which appears to be a Khan production. Khan had for some time been seeking an outlet for the tape; the Ambassador and DCM discussed it with Teixeira March 10 (ref A). Khan was pushing the spin that the longer recording implicates Felix in deliberately misdirecting the investigation into the recent murders at Agricola (ref B), leading to the conclusion that Felix should be sacked and replaced by (the notoriously corrupt) Deputy Police Commissioner/Crime Chief Henry Greene.

7. (U) Reaction to the tape from the media and GoG has been surprisingly muted so far. Teixeira released a statement that the GoG was "deeply disturbed about the circulation and broadcast" of the tape, which had "implications for national security". The media's cautiousness partly derives from a sense that there is a lot they do not know rather than from lack of interest. More attention has been paid to the potential origins and the security implications of the tape - how and why were the Police Commissioner's phone calls recorded. The press has even speculated that Khan has intercept equipment capable of producing such a tape.

8. (U) The taped conversation itself spans a variety of topics - including the GPF's response to the Agricola murders, the upcoming national elections, and Ronald Waddell's execution (refs B and D). However, the conversation does not seem to contain incriminating statements. It does contain a frank, expletive-laced discussion between the Police Commissioner and a senior opposition politician about serious criminal activities. The tape actually captures Felix making some reasonable comments - such as, "some people don't understand, you know once you want to play with violence, violence will have to surround you". Certainly the tape may be embarrassing for the conversants and their bosses, but it does not actually implicate anyone in anything. The tape is a tool in Khan's plot to get rid of Felix because the commissioner is intent on fighting organized crime.

9. (S) Ambassador spoke early March 20 with Norman McLean - former Commissioner of Police and former head of the GDF - regarding the tape. McLean said that President Jagdeo had heard the tape and that Felix would be offered early retirement. Greene, who has a heavily tarnished reputation and a relationship with Khan, is the logical choice to replace Felix. Post is seeking Department concurrence to have Greene's visa revoked on those grounds.

10. (S) Charge and UK and Canadian High Commissioners met with Teixeira evening of March 20. Teixeira agreed that given the dubious origins of the tape and likelihood that it had been edited before its release, there should be due consideration before any decisions are taken regarding Felix's continued employment. However, Teixeira also indicated that the tape and Felix's future would be a major subject on the agenda for the March 21 Cabinet meeting and that she could not guarantee that cooler heads would prevail. Charge and the High Commissioners indicated that there would be serious difficulties for continued bilateral police cooperation if Greene were named Police Commissioner. Teixeira concurred that Greene would be a problem for many reasons and asked for assistance in leaking to the media the fact that the tape originated with Khan.

11. (S) As of March 23, Felix's position is still vulnerable, but improving. Teixeira told Charge March 22 that she "got things on a more even keel" at the Cabinet meeting. Sources indicate a meeting/confrontation between President Jagdeo and Felix occurred March 21, during which Jagdeo demanded that Felix retract certain statements that could be interpreted as implying GoG involvement with the tape. Felix refused, and he apparently also refused to take early retirement. Sacking Felix would require investigation and action by the Disciplined Services Commission. Given the lack of serious impropriety on the longer version of the tape and the lack of concern from the media and the public regarding Felix's remarks as recorded, it seems unlikely that a call for an investigation of Felix would gain much traction. The bottom line is that the general public thinks that whatever Felix said in his private conversations makes for a relatively innocuous indisretion compared to secretly recording phone calls of senior government officials.

------- Comment ------- 12. (S) The release of the secret tape within a day of the GDF/GPF raid on Khan's properties is an unlikely coincidence. Khan reportedly despises Felix because he is resistant to Khan's control. It is almost certain that Khan wants Felix replaced by someone more pliable - someone like Greene. Even though Felix was not the driving force behind the raid on Khan (GDF Chief of Staff Edward Collins was), releasing the tape was probably Khan's (or his associates') way of fighting back. If that was Khan's strategy, it has backfired so far.

13. (C) Comment continued. The role of McLean and fellow Private Sector Commission leader Jerry Gouveia in spreading word of the tape is also troubling. Gouveia in particular has played the role of Khan's cheerleader in recent weeks, vouching for the legitimacy of the tape and Khan himself. It is unclear whether these eminent figures sought to discredit Felix simply because they think he is incompetent or for a less benign reason.

Teixeira has told Charge and UK and Canada High Commissioners that Gouveia and McLean enjoy a very close relationship with and ready access to President Jagdeo, including the ability "to pick up the telephone and call him at any time", which implies an uncomfortably convenient link between Jagdeo and Khan.

---

 

Another one for you Vish Mahabir, as mentioned read and learn.

...deep ...deep ...diversion...and a straw man creation...from a non the less...biased strong supporter of the coalition.

Here is the rub....

Lets assume all you post is true....

What does this "past news", Khan, et al... have to do with my argument that he coalition will rig the election.

Flip the coin...convince me...the other nervous and paranoid half...that this election gon be free and fair...given history. 

ronan posted:

Drugb posted:

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

I am absolutely certain that the coalition (PNC primarily) is taking steps to rig the election, given the fact that the last one was a close election and new parties may siphoon off a handful of votes away from the coalition. They have to have a plan to ensure that the PPP does not get back into office, at least not when the stakes are so high.

The Minister of Citizenship, which is responsible for determining citizenship and issuing birth certificates is in a position to facilitate the rigging.

based on what sir?

'ah doan trust dem' is not a credible reason

that's labbaspeak when he was caught with a backpack full of lies and disinformation

you tek a public sh!t here and call it "evidence"

smfh

you really believe that pnc don't have plans to rig? Dem bannas gun hold on to power fuh de next 100 years by hook or by crook. 

unlike you, i am not privy to the innermost thoughts of recidivist rogues in the PNC

what i know and the public knows is that the coalition has held 2 clean LG elections in less than 4 years, a feat the PPP couldn't pull off in 23 years

2015 proved that the PPP can be beat, even with a dutty list, gocool boodhoo and SOP shenanigans

you, jagdeo, gail, labba and the rest bring nothing but your alienation, contempt and cynicism/scampishness to the table

all else related from y'all is just skvnt

Semantics galore...

Suh,  lets see....PNC 2 LGE elections =  squeaky clean, free and fair national election in 2020 + those who querry are scamps and rogues...

You can fool dem PPP bannas here...not me...

This equation still adds up to FUZZY math...just like Nigel and dem 2 incompetent judges' formula....

Spin this anyhow you want ...the writing is on the wall...PNC will do whatever is necessary to stay in power...dey control the entuire rigging machinery....de beauty is - they dont have to be so scraven as to tek the entire cake...2 extra seats will suffice...and WE IN!

Guyanese should be on the streets...like dem Venezuelans...

VishMahabir posted:

Django posted:

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/ca...GEORGETOWN278_a.html

1. (U) SUMMARY. Georgetown is flush with intrigue as a joint army/police team conducted raids March 19-20 on drug lord Shaheed "Roger" Khan's properties and, concurrently, a secret recording of Police Commissioner Winston Felix's phone conversations was anonymously and widely distributed to the media, GoG, private sector, and diplomatic missions. Theories abound as to the motives and linkages behind these events, but no conclusive explanations have emerged yet. However, one thing is clear - the power struggle between narco-trafficking interests and the Guyanese state has escalated to a new level. END SUMMARY. --------------------------------------------- -------- Army/Police Joint Operation Targets Khan's Properties --------------------------------------------- --------

2. (U) The Guyana Defence Force (GDF) and Guyana Police Force (GPF) conducted a joint operation March 19 and 20, targeting homes and businesses belonging to Guyana's top drug lord Shaheed "Roger" Khan. The GDF spearheaded the operation, with the GPF in tow to make arrests and ensure chain of custody for seized evidence.

3. (C) The GDF claims that the operation was part of its attempt to recover the 33 AK-47s and other weapons that disappeared from the GDF headquarters' armory one month ago (ref B). Given Khan's known role as a large-scale weapons trafficker, it seems unlikely that he would resort to stealing weapons from the GDF. It is more plausible that the GDF wanted to counteract the growing impunity with which criminal organizations are operating in Guyana. Post sources indicate the operation was a scattershot effort in hopes of finding anything incriminating. Regardless of the motive, Post believes the operation succeeded in penetrating criminal organizations' comfort zones and, specifically, ratcheting up the pressure on Khan.

4. (C) According to public reports, the joint team has seized cocaine and illegal firearms and detained nineteen people and 175 vehicles. In March 20 meeting with Charge and UK and Canada High Commissioners, Minister of Home Affairs Gail Teixeira added that the operation netted 41 kilograms of cocaine, GPF and GDF uniforms, computers, and sophisticated communications intercept equipment. The GDF has custody of the seized items and has requested USG assistance with forensic analysis - particularly of the computers. Post has offered Teixeira such assistance in writing and is making necessary arrangements with LEGATT.

5. (C) Khan's whereabouts are unknown. Teixeira said he must have been tipped off to the raid, even though the GDF planned the operation unbeknownst to both GPF and Teixeira. --------------------------------------------- ----------- Secret Tape of Police Commissioner's Phone Call Released SIPDIS --------------------------------------------- -----------

6. (C) A taped conversation between GPF Commissioner Winston Felix and opposition party PNC/R executive committee member Basil Williams was anonymously and widely distributed March 20 to the media, GoG, private sector, and diplomatic missions. Post was already familiar with a shorter version of the tape, which appears to be a Khan production. Khan had for some time been seeking an outlet for the tape; the Ambassador and DCM discussed it with Teixeira March 10 (ref A). Khan was pushing the spin that the longer recording implicates Felix in deliberately misdirecting the investigation into the recent murders at Agricola (ref B), leading to the conclusion that Felix should be sacked and replaced by (the notoriously corrupt) Deputy Police Commissioner/Crime Chief Henry Greene.

7. (U) Reaction to the tape from the media and GoG has been surprisingly muted so far. Teixeira released a statement that the GoG was "deeply disturbed about the circulation and broadcast" of the tape, which had "implications for national security". The media's cautiousness partly derives from a sense that there is a lot they do not know rather than from lack of interest. More attention has been paid to the potential origins and the security implications of the tape - how and why were the Police Commissioner's phone calls recorded. The press has even speculated that Khan has intercept equipment capable of producing such a tape.

8. (U) The taped conversation itself spans a variety of topics - including the GPF's response to the Agricola murders, the upcoming national elections, and Ronald Waddell's execution (refs B and D). However, the conversation does not seem to contain incriminating statements. It does contain a frank, expletive-laced discussion between the Police Commissioner and a senior opposition politician about serious criminal activities. The tape actually captures Felix making some reasonable comments - such as, "some people don't understand, you know once you want to play with violence, violence will have to surround you". Certainly the tape may be embarrassing for the conversants and their bosses, but it does not actually implicate anyone in anything. The tape is a tool in Khan's plot to get rid of Felix because the commissioner is intent on fighting organized crime.

9. (S) Ambassador spoke early March 20 with Norman McLean - former Commissioner of Police and former head of the GDF - regarding the tape. McLean said that President Jagdeo had heard the tape and that Felix would be offered early retirement. Greene, who has a heavily tarnished reputation and a relationship with Khan, is the logical choice to replace Felix. Post is seeking Department concurrence to have Greene's visa revoked on those grounds.

10. (S) Charge and UK and Canadian High Commissioners met with Teixeira evening of March 20. Teixeira agreed that given the dubious origins of the tape and likelihood that it had been edited before its release, there should be due consideration before any decisions are taken regarding Felix's continued employment. However, Teixeira also indicated that the tape and Felix's future would be a major subject on the agenda for the March 21 Cabinet meeting and that she could not guarantee that cooler heads would prevail. Charge and the High Commissioners indicated that there would be serious difficulties for continued bilateral police cooperation if Greene were named Police Commissioner. Teixeira concurred that Greene would be a problem for many reasons and asked for assistance in leaking to the media the fact that the tape originated with Khan.

11. (S) As of March 23, Felix's position is still vulnerable, but improving. Teixeira told Charge March 22 that she "got things on a more even keel" at the Cabinet meeting. Sources indicate a meeting/confrontation between President Jagdeo and Felix occurred March 21, during which Jagdeo demanded that Felix retract certain statements that could be interpreted as implying GoG involvement with the tape. Felix refused, and he apparently also refused to take early retirement. Sacking Felix would require investigation and action by the Disciplined Services Commission. Given the lack of serious impropriety on the longer version of the tape and the lack of concern from the media and the public regarding Felix's remarks as recorded, it seems unlikely that a call for an investigation of Felix would gain much traction. The bottom line is that the general public thinks that whatever Felix said in his private conversations makes for a relatively innocuous indisretion compared to secretly recording phone calls of senior government officials.

------- Comment ------- 12. (S) The release of the secret tape within a day of the GDF/GPF raid on Khan's properties is an unlikely coincidence. Khan reportedly despises Felix because he is resistant to Khan's control. It is almost certain that Khan wants Felix replaced by someone more pliable - someone like Greene. Even though Felix was not the driving force behind the raid on Khan (GDF Chief of Staff Edward Collins was), releasing the tape was probably Khan's (or his associates') way of fighting back. If that was Khan's strategy, it has backfired so far.

13. (C) Comment continued. The role of McLean and fellow Private Sector Commission leader Jerry Gouveia in spreading word of the tape is also troubling. Gouveia in particular has played the role of Khan's cheerleader in recent weeks, vouching for the legitimacy of the tape and Khan himself. It is unclear whether these eminent figures sought to discredit Felix simply because they think he is incompetent or for a less benign reason.

Teixeira has told Charge and UK and Canada High Commissioners that Gouveia and McLean enjoy a very close relationship with and ready access to President Jagdeo, including the ability "to pick up the telephone and call him at any time", which implies an uncomfortably convenient link between Jagdeo and Khan.

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Another one for you Vish Mahabir, as mentioned read and learn.

...deep ...deep ...diversion...and a straw man creation...from a non the less...biased strong supporter of the coalition.

Here is the rub....

Lets assume all you post is true....

What does this "past news", Khan, et al... have to do with my argument that he coalition will rig the election.

Flip the coin...convince me...the other nervous and paranoid half...that this election gon be free and fair...given history. 

You are a resourceful person Django...try looking at things with both eyes open...unconditional support, without being critical, with history to boot...dont let your understandable hatred for jagdeo and the PPP cloud your ability to maje informed judgment...advise from one of my mentors...

VishMahabir posted:

 

...deep ...deep ...diversion...and a straw man creation...from a non the less...biased strong supporter of the coalition.

Here is the rub....

Lets assume all you post is true....

What does this "past news", Khan, et al... have to do with my argument that he coalition will rig the election.

Flip the coin...convince me...the other nervous and paranoid half...that this election gon be free and fair...given history. 

Why the post considered lies ??

Freedom house spreading all sorts of rumors, their base are gobbling it up.Loosers always cry wolf, hence the mantra of "RIGGING"

I have mentioned many times the Coalition government don't have to rig elections to win, all they have to do is get their base to turn out in large numbers.

VishMahabir posted:

What does this "past news", Khan, et al... have to do with my argument that he coalition will rig the election.

Flip the coin...convince me...the other nervous and paranoid half...that this election gon be free and fair...given history. 

you hang your silly hat on "past news" and then pivot and pour scorn on the same used to rebut

memo: innuendo, gossip and hand-wringing about "burnham" and "hammie" done way past their 'sell by' date

essentially, you simply don't trust "PNC"

and that's ok . . . but it's simply a laang-mouth polemic, not argument

you need to elevate your game if you want to participate in a public policy discussion

VishMahabir posted:

You are a resourceful person Django...try looking at things with both eyes open...unconditional support, without being critical, with history to boot...dont let your understandable hatred for jagdeo and the PPP cloud your ability to maje informed judgment...advise from one of my mentors...

I don't hate Jagdeo, i detest his crookedness and trying the putinsque.

VishMahabir posted:

ronan posted:

Drugb posted:

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

I am absolutely certain that the coalition (PNC primarily) is taking steps to rig the election, given the fact that the last one was a close election and new parties may siphoon off a handful of votes away from the coalition. They have to have a plan to ensure that the PPP does not get back into office, at least not when the stakes are so high.

The Minister of Citizenship, which is responsible for determining citizenship and issuing birth certificates is in a position to facilitate the rigging.

based on what sir?

'ah doan trust dem' is not a credible reason

that's labbaspeak when he was caught with a backpack full of lies and disinformation

you tek a public sh!t here and call it "evidence"

smfh

you really believe that pnc don't have plans to rig? Dem bannas gun hold on to power fuh de next 100 years by hook or by crook. 

unlike you, i am not privy to the innermost thoughts of recidivist rogues in the PNC

what i know and the public knows is that the coalition has held 2 clean LG elections in less than 4 years, a feat the PPP couldn't pull off in 23 years

2015 proved that the PPP can be beat, even with a dutty list, gocool boodhoo and SOP shenanigans

you, jagdeo, gail, labba and the rest bring nothing but your alienation, contempt and cynicism/scampishness to the table

all else related from y'all is just skvnt

Semantics galore...

Suh,  lets see....PNC 2 LGE elections =  squeaky clean, free and fair national election in 2020 + those who querry are scamps and rogues...

You can fool dem PPP bannas here...not me...

This equation still adds up to FUZZY math...just like Nigel and dem 2 incompetent judges' formula....

Spin this anyhow you want ...the writing is on the wall...PNC will do whatever is necessary to stay in power...dey control the entuire rigging machinery....de beauty is - they dont have to be so scraven as to tek the entire cake...2 extra seats will suffice...and WE IN!

Guyanese should be on the streets...like dem Venezuelans...

like druggie, from time to time you seem to be jonesing for a fake fite over stupidness

is your Thursday that boring?

the contrivance on offer here may be entertaining for you but don't fool yourself that it is opaque

tek a seat banna; at least drugb can sometimes be funny

Django posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

...deep ...deep ...diversion...and a straw man creation...from a non the less...biased strong supporter of the coalition.

Here is the rub....

Lets assume all you post is true....

What does this "past news", Khan, et al... have to do with my argument that he coalition will rig the election.

Flip the coin...convince me...the other nervous and paranoid half...that this election gon be free and fair...given history. 

Why the post considered lies ??

Freedom house spreading all sorts of rumors, their base are gobbling it up.Loosers always cry wolf, hence the mantra of "RIGGING"

I have mentioned many times the Coalition government don't have to rig elections to win, all they have to do is get their base to turn out in large numbers.

Foolish comment...naive statement...

..you seem to have insight into the minds of the coalition leaders...and a crystal ball...there is a history here...the last election had some hiccups...

What if the base does not turn out?...You really naive to think that there is no Plan B?...   given the shenanigans at play?

VishMahabir posted:

Foolish comment...naive statement...

..you seem to have insight into the minds of the coalition leaders...and a crystal ball...there is a history here...the last election had some hiccups...

What if the base does not turn out?...You really naive to think that there is no Plan B?...   given the shenanigans at play?

yaaaawwn . . .

like drugb renting renting the VM handle

Ronan posted:

Gilbakka, like plenty here drinking deep from the race CUP done gone cynic tribal and isn't even pretending at reason anymore

Ro, I'm sorry you've got that impression but it's not true. For starters, I don't believe the PPP is all about race. And I don't believe that Jagdeo is the PPP's be-all-and-end-all. But I definitely think that the PPP needs him now. And, yes, I am convinced the PNC hasn't changed its power-drinking pre-1992 undemocratic ways. Granger fooled me in 2015. Nevermore. Nothing to do with race.

Gilbakka posted:

Ronan posted:

Gilbakka, like plenty here drinking deep from the race CUP done gone cynic tribal and isn't even pretending at reason anymore

Ro, I'm sorry you've got that impression but it's not true. For starters, I don't believe the PPP is all about race. And I don't believe that Jagdeo is the PPP's be-all-and-end-all. But I definitely think that the PPP needs him now. And, yes, I am convinced the PNC hasn't changed its power-drinking pre-1992 undemocratic ways. Granger fooled me in 2015. Nevermore. Nothing to do with race.

what you are "convinced" of about many important things flies in the face of reason

that's why i say what i say

have a good day

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

ronan posted:

Drugb posted:

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

I am absolutely certain that the coalition (PNC primarily) is taking steps to rig the election, given the fact that the last one was a close election and new parties may siphoon off a handful of votes away from the coalition. They have to have a plan to ensure that the PPP does not get back into office, at least not when the stakes are so high.

The Minister of Citizenship, which is responsible for determining citizenship and issuing birth certificates is in a position to facilitate the rigging.

based on what sir?

'ah doan trust dem' is not a credible reason

that's labbaspeak when he was caught with a backpack full of lies and disinformation

you tek a public sh!t here and call it "evidence"

smfh

you really believe that pnc don't have plans to rig? Dem bannas gun hold on to power fuh de next 100 years by hook or by crook. 

unlike you, i am not privy to the innermost thoughts of recidivist rogues in the PNC

what i know and the public knows is that the coalition has held 2 clean LG elections in less than 4 years, a feat the PPP couldn't pull off in 23 years

2015 proved that the PPP can be beat, even with a dutty list, gocool boodhoo and SOP shenanigans

you, jagdeo, gail, labba and the rest bring nothing but your alienation, contempt and cynicism/scampishness to the table

all else related from y'all is just skvnt

Semantics galore...

Suh,  lets see....PNC 2 LGE elections =  squeaky clean, free and fair national election in 2020 + those who querry are scamps and rogues...

You can fool dem PPP bannas here...not me...

This equation still adds up to FUZZY math...just like Nigel and dem 2 incompetent judges' formula....

Spin this anyhow you want ...the writing is on the wall...PNC will do whatever is necessary to stay in power...dey control the entuire rigging machinery....de beauty is - they dont have to be so scraven as to tek the entire cake...2 extra seats will suffice...and WE IN!

Guyanese should be on the streets...like dem Venezuelans...

like druggie, from time to time you seem to be jonesing for a fake fite over stupidness

is your Thursday that boring?

the contrivance on offer here may be entertaining for you but don't fool yourself that it is opaque

tek a seat banna; at least drugb can sometimes be funny

Like I said...anyone who believe that the PNC does not have a Plan B to rig come next election...been drinking too much casareep and mabbie...

Ask Ham Green...he know de whole story...

If they loose...by a miracle...dey gon revive the ghost of Desmond Hoyte to mek de country ungovernable...Having Irfaan runnin tings will be as bad as Janit Jagan runnin tings.

Off to class...see yall lata.

VishMahabir posted:

Django posted:

VishMahabir posted:

 

...deep ...deep ...diversion...and a straw man creation...from a non the less...biased strong supporter of the coalition.

Here is the rub....

Lets assume all you post is true....

What does this "past news", Khan, et al... have to do with my argument that he coalition will rig the election.

Flip the coin...convince me...the other nervous and paranoid half...that this election gon be free and fair...given history. 

Why the post considered lies ??

Freedom house spreading all sorts of rumors, their base are gobbling it up.Loosers always cry wolf, hence the mantra of "RIGGING"

I have mentioned many times the Coalition government don't have to rig elections to win, all they have to do is get their base to turn out in large numbers.

Foolish comment...naive statement...

..you seem to have insight into the minds of the coalition leaders...and a crystal ball...there is a history here...the last election had some hiccups...

What if the base does not turn out?...You really naive to think that there is no Plan B?...   given the shenanigans at play?

Extrapolate some more,  on the hiccups of the last elections and the shenanigans.

Seems you swallow the propaganda from the media in your neck of the woods.

ronan posted:

have a good day

You too.

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

Vish like you trying hard to be suspended for overuse of the quote feature. 

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

ronan posted:

 

Semantics galore...

Suh,  lets see....PNC 2 LGE elections =  squeaky clean, free and fair national election in 2020 + those who querry are scamps and rogues...

You can fool dem PPP bannas here...not me...

This equation still adds up to FUZZY math...just like Nigel and dem 2 incompetent judges' formula....

Spin this anyhow you want ...the writing is on the wall...PNC will do whatever is necessary to stay in power...dey control the entuire rigging machinery....de beauty is - they dont have to be so scraven as to tek the entire cake...2 extra seats will suffice...and WE IN!

Guyanese should be on the streets...like dem Venezuelans...

like druggie, from time to time you seem to be jonesing for a fake fite over stupidness

is your Thursday that boring?

the contrivance on offer here may be entertaining for you but don't fool yourself that it is opaque

tek a seat banna; at least drugb can sometimes be funny

This is a first. You post then respond negatively to your own post?

Dumb and Dumber

Django posted:

Extrapolate some more,  on the hiccups of the last elections and the shenanigans.

Seems you swallow the propaganda from the media in your neck of the woods.

Django...unchain your mind ...enough wid de groupthink.

Guyanese are bombarded with propaganda all de time...our task is to read through the BS from all sides and make a judgment call

...seems like you are incapable of accepting anything resembling propaganda emanating from the government side...they can do no wrong. 

I pointed out to you before that all your posts are designed to attack one side, blindly defending the other side... 

yes, you and I may detest Jagdeo and anything he does...but dont let your hatred camouflage your ability to judge things fairly.

I simply ask you how are you so certain that there is no plan B for the coalition to rig the election...given its previous history, and  now in full control of the state and its machinery....instead, you flooded the board with Roger Khan info...

shame on you.

cain posted:

Vish like you trying hard to be suspended for overuse of the quote feature. 

Sorry...dem boys mek me a little hot-headed.

Vish, yuh head ah hat yuh? Yuh want someone dish out yuh eat????  I love my older Berbicians

antabanta posted:

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

Others might, I am not making that assumption...

your argument flies in the face of history...guess the PNC in your eyes done wid dem old ways...suddenly now turn Angels in defense of democracy.. its too early to make that assumption because we have not seen an "institutionalization"  of this tradition in Guyana, and elections are generally contested. 

PPP's corruption and nepotism has nothing to do with this...you people are using this as a straw man to argue that the opposition should not be elected to office...because of their past...thats not yours or my decision to make...its the people vote...

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

Others might, I am not making that assumption...

your argument flies in the face of history...guess the PNC in your eyes done wid dem old ways...suddenly now turn Angels in defense of democracy.. its too early to make that assumption because we have not seen an "institutionalization"  of this tradition in Guyana, and elections are generally contested. 

PPP's corruption and nepotism has nothing to do with this...you people are using this as a straw man to argue that the opposition should not be elected to office...because of their past...thats not yours or my decision to make...its the people vote...

"The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win"

Nonsense...you know better...its based on a historical practice...certified by international observers...

ronan posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Foolish comment...naive statement...

..you seem to have insight into the minds of the coalition leaders...and a crystal ball...there is a history here...the last election had some hiccups...

What if the base does not turn out?...You really naive to think that there is no Plan B?...   given the shenanigans at play?

yaaaawwn . . .

like drugb renting renting the VM handle

More puffery...grandstanding...looking for a strawman...

This coming from the "man" in a previous post who told us he did have a problem with the fuzzy "34"....before the court case...conveniently forgotten.

Twist and turn and sand-dance all you want...you very well know that there is a Plan B....even if DrugB may not be smart ebough to figure this PNC equation...

VishMahabir posted:

............your argument flies in the face of history...guess the PNC in your eyes done wid dem old ways...suddenly now turn Angels in defense of democracy.. its too early to make that assumption because we have not seen an "institutionalization"  of this tradition in Guyana, and elections are generally contested. 

PPP's corruption and nepotism has nothing to do with this...you people are using this as a straw man to argue that the opposition should not be elected to office...because of their past...thats not yours or my decision to make...its the people vote...

You better go over your post.

You don't accept the fact the  PNC made errors in dem ole ways and must have suddenly turn angels but do accept the PPP's past should be of no consequence?

VishMahabir posted:

antabanta posted:

The accusation that PNC must rig is based on the conceited assumption that PPP will win because their supporters are docile sheep and will ignore the PPP's two decades of corruption, nepotism, and not only association with but dependence on known criminals.

Others might, I am not making that assumption...

your argument flies in the face of history...guess the PNC in your eyes done wid dem old ways...suddenly now turn Angels in defense of democracy.. its too early to make that assumption because we have not seen an "institutionalization"  of this tradition in Guyana, and elections are generally contested. 

PPP's corruption and nepotism has nothing to do with this...you people are using this as a straw man to argue that the opposition should not be elected to office...because of their past...thats not yours or my decision to make...its the people vote...

Your conviction of the actions of the PNC based on their past while chastising my opinion of the PPP based in their past is nothing short of hilarious. PPP's corruption and nepotism has much to do with the fact that many PPP supporters are not as stupid as you want to think and can see the PPP for what they are. Your contention that the people will vote the PPP into office but only by rigging can the PNC retain office is even more hilarious. Your logic is conflicting. Why have you decided to discount the PPP's performance in office in the recent two decades as a factor in the elections while propagating the PNC's performance thirty years ago is significant? Please explain the logic behind this reasoning.