caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

When I left Guyana in 1987, there was hardly anything on the shop shelves.

By 1991 the shelves were no longer empty. Hoyte fixed the problem that Burnham created with his communism.   He also prevented crazy Janet from taking Guyana into Cuba whole hog.

Look at Cuba and just understand that the Jagans would have taken Guyana to the same place.  I bet that you left on BWIA or GAC.   Cubans must leave in car tires with fishing boat engines.  Janet would have forced you to swim across the Takutu River.

Cuba is a poor country because of the US economic embargo, not because of communism.  Communist China and Russia are not poor countries.  Brother Obama went the other day to apologize to the Cubans and start a process to uplift the embargo.  Apparently, when the history books would have been written, that would go down as his legacy.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

When I left Guyana in 1987, there was hardly anything on the shop shelves.

By 1991 the shelves were no longer empty. Hoyte fixed the problem that Burnham created with his communism.   He also prevented crazy Janet from taking Guyana into Cuba whole hog.

Look at Cuba and just understand that the Jagans would have taken Guyana to the same place.  I bet that you left on BWIA or GAC.   Cubans must leave in car tires with fishing boat engines.  Janet would have forced you to swim across the Takutu River.

You have a strange way of measuring success.  You burn down the entire frigging mansion and then put up a tent and say, "see what a good boy I am"!!  You PNC clan must be the biggest bunch of jokers the world over.  What a bunch of self-righteous losers you all are!!

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

He will operate on Jagdeo's schedule, though will steal considerably less.

Maybe there will be considerably less to steal since there doesn't seem to be any less of an appetite to do so.

Have you seen any evidence of Granger engaged in corruption?  Harmon is Harmon, and Norton is Norton, and neither are Granger.

His reluctance to opine on Norton and Harmon strongly suggests his own inclinations.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

When I left Guyana in 1987, there was hardly anything on the shop shelves.

By 1991 the shelves were no longer empty. Hoyte fixed the problem that Burnham created with his communism.   He also prevented crazy Janet from taking Guyana into Cuba whole hog.

Look at Cuba and just understand that the Jagans would have taken Guyana to the same place.  I bet that you left on BWIA or GAC.   Cubans must leave in car tires with fishing boat engines.  Janet would have forced you to swim across the Takutu River.

Were these shelves in 1991 stocked with commodities then produced in Guyana that were not being produced in 1987 or were they stocked with commodities imported by the small traders? Secondly, who was the president when the GY dollar was devalued from about $5.00 to around $90.00 for a US dollar?

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

He will operate on Jagdeo's schedule, though will steal considerably less.

Maybe there will be considerably less to steal since there doesn't seem to be any less of an appetite to do so.

Have you seen any evidence of Granger engaged in corruption?  Harmon is Harmon, and Norton is Norton, and neither are Granger.

His reluctance to opine on Norton and Harmon strongly suggests his own inclinations.

He is a member of the "pass de duchie on de leff han side".

Bibi Haniffa posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

When I left Guyana in 1987, there was hardly anything on the shop shelves.

By 1991 the shelves were no longer empty. Hoyte fixed the problem that Burnham created with his communism.   He also prevented crazy Janet from taking Guyana into Cuba whole hog.

Look at Cuba and just understand that the Jagans would have taken Guyana to the same place.  I bet that you left on BWIA or GAC.   Cubans must leave in car tires with fishing boat engines.  Janet would have forced you to swim across the Takutu River.

Cuba is a poor country because of the US economic embargo, not because of communism.  Communist China and Russia are not poor countries.  Brother Obama went the other day to apologize to the Cubans and start a process to uplift the embargo.  Apparently, when the history books would have been written, that would go down as his legacy.

Have you ever looked at the GDP per capita for China and Russia? Do you consider that wealthy? China was pulled out of poverty by the US after they allowed Western investment in China after the late 70's. It's not Communism that built China to what it is today but Western FDI. If you brainwashed PYO operatives want to still exalt the glories of Communism, then explain to us why Eastern Europe was so much more underdeveloped than Western Europe after the Iron Curtain was lifted. Why was West Germany so much more advanced than East Germany? How did healthy economies in Venezuela and Argentina go bankrupt after they embraced nationalization just like Guyana did? During the early sixties, Trinidad, Barbados, Jamaica and Guyana were basically on par economically. Jamaica and Guyana were led by Commie Clowns while Barbados and Trinidad were leaving them in the dust. While the embargo may have helped to contribute to Cuba's demise, their embrace of Communism kept them in the doldrums even though they were being propped up by Soviet funding.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

When I left Guyana in 1987, there was hardly anything on the shop shelves.

By 1991 the shelves were no longer empty. Hoyte fixed the problem that Burnham created with his communism.   He also prevented crazy Janet from taking Guyana into Cuba whole hog.

Look at Cuba and just understand that the Jagans would have taken Guyana to the same place.  I bet that you left on BWIA or GAC.   Cubans must leave in car tires with fishing boat engines.  Janet would have forced you to swim across the Takutu River.

Were these shelves in 1991 stocked with commodities then produced in Guyana that were not being produced in 1987 or were they stocked with commodities imported by the small traders? Secondly, who was the president when the GY dollar was devalued from about $5.00 to around $90.00 for a US dollar?

The money had to be devalued to reflect its worth. Hoyte and Burnham era saw to its decline. It has not been upward revalued since as our economy remains precarious.

Hoyte did indeed start a revolution. I remember being there in 82 and later in 90 and the difference was stark and that was real since the drug effect did not come until 10 years later.You could see that in a graph of the economic trajectory.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

Cuba is a poor country because of the US economic embargo, not because of communism.  Communist China and Russia are not poor countries.  Brother Obama went the other day to apologize to the Cubans and start a process to uplift the embargo.  Apparently, when the history books would have been written, that would go down as his legacy.

Funny thing this.  Russia is considered an emerging nation, akin to China, Brazil and India.  Why I wonder if communism is so successful.  No one will claim that Brazil and India aren't countries riddled with massive poverty.

To call China communist is a joke.  During the Mao era Chinese were starving.  When China changed to the crony capitalist model, life improved for the urban population, which became part of this economy.  For the rural population, which remained in the state/party dominated economy poverty remains.

Funny thing is when Burnham blamed US interference for his problems you all laugh.  Now how is Fidel Castro any different, except that until 1991 he was heavily subsidized by the Soviet Union? Same arrogant autocrat with a huge ego.

The problem that you all have with Burnham isn't what he did, because the PPP would have done the same.  Its that you all couldn't scream "ahbe pan tap, we gun send dem blackman back to slavery" as you all did between 1961 and 1964.

ksazma posted:

 

Were these shelves in 1991 stocked with commodities then produced in Guyana that were not being produced in 1987 or were they stocked with commodities imported by the small traders? Secondly, who was the president when the GY dollar was devalued from about $5.00 to around $90.00 for a US dollar?

In fact in 1991 the whole trading thing came to an end because foreign exchange controls were relaxed.

Now go and scream at the GMSA.  Yes the Guyanese who make things say that in 2010 Guyana was making fewer things than it was making in 1980.

Stormborn posted:

 

Hoyte did indeed start a revolution. I remember being there in 82 and later in 90 and the difference was stark and that was real since the drug effect did not come until 10 years later.You could see that in a graph of the economic trajectory.

Guyana began to turn around once Hoyte was able to side line the Burnhamist faction like Green and Viola Burnham, who wanted to maintain that hard core socialist stance, even as it destroyed Guyana.

He forced Cheddi to continue the same reforms and the economic recovery that began under Hoyte, continued under him. In addition the rice industry began to recovery.

And then Baby Kong arrived on the scene.  Filled with the puffed out arrogance and then skinned ego that his mentor King Kong had.  Guyana's economy began to slow and even declined in some years.  Thank God for high gold and rice prices otherwise Baby Kong might have left Guyana in the same dire state that his mentor King Kong did.

tormborn posted:

ksazma posted:

Were these shelves in 1991 stocked with commodities then produced in Guyana that were not being produced in 1987 or were they stocked with commodities imported by the small traders? Secondly, who was the president when the GY dollar was devalued from about $5.00 to around $90.00 for a US dollar?

The money had to be devalued to reflect its worth. Hoyte and Burnham era saw to its decline. It has not been upward revalued since as our economy remains precarious.

Hoyte did indeed start a revolution. I remember being there in 82 and later in 90 and the difference was stark and that was real since the drug effect did not come until 10 years later.You could see that in a graph of the economic trajectory.

What jokers you clowns are.  Hoyte put up a tent in place of the destroyed mansion, and he is a hero.

Listen banna, Guyana's dollar will not revalue based on the economy even with oil.  Guyana dollar is not some free-floating reverve currency.  Money has been printed and circulated so it remains there with slight movement here and there.  The fact that the currency has remained stable over two decades is a testiment to the stable conomy under the PPP. If Granger and his PNC cohorts screw things up again, that currency could hit 300 to 400 in rapid succession.

The only way the GYD will reverse is a reverse split with a relaunched currency but it changes nothing in reality. it's just an optical illusion, just like the PNC economic masterplan!

ba$eman posted:

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What jokers you clowns are.  Hoyte put up a tent in place of the destroyed mansion, and he is a hero.

 

Had he not done so Mad Janet would have raced Guyana into pure Marxist Leninism and Guyana would have been WORSE off than Cuba.  We don't have white sand beaches and our people are poorly educated.

So say thanks to Hoyte who put an end to that Burnham/Jagan lunacy.  Thanks to his reform all of this Marxist Leninism was tossed aside and a private sector led economy was reinstated.

Look at how Jagan cheered on the USSR for invading Afghanistan, instead of denouncing them as they did the USA in Vietnam.  You think that these people wouldn't have done 100% of what Havana and Moscow demanded!

Jagan was begging Burnham to be part of his regime with Burnham remaining top dog as President and Jagan becoming PM.  Thank God Burnham died before that disaster could have been put in place.  Jagan PRAISED Burnham when the latter implemented the state dominance of the economy.

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

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What jokers you clowns are.  Hoyte put up a tent in place of the destroyed mansion, and he is a hero.

 

Had he not done so Mad Janet would have raced Guyana into pure Marxist Leninism and Guyana would have been WORSE off than Cuba.  We don't have white sand beaches and our people are poorly educated.

So say thanks to Hoyte who put an end to that Burnham/Jagan lunacy.  Thanks to his reform all of this Marxist Leninism was tossed aside and a private sector led economy was reinstated.

Look at how Jagan cheered on the USSR for invading Afghanistan, instead of denouncing them as they did the USA in Vietnam.  You think that these people wouldn't have done 100% of what Havana and Moscow demanded!

Jagan was begging Burnham to be part of his regime with Burnham remaining top dog as President and Jagan becoming PM.  Thank God Burnham died before that disaster could have been put in place.  Jagan PRAISED Burnham when the latter implemented the state dominance of the economy.

If this and if that matters not.  Fact is PNC ran the cake shop for 28 years and that was their legacy regardless who was throwing stones and who was cheerleading.  You (PNC) owned it!!

ba$eman posted:

 

If this and if that matters not.  Fact is PNC ran the cake shop for 28 years and that was their legacy regardless who was throwing stones and who was cheerleading.  You (PNC) owned it!!

You should thank Burnham because I am sure that you left Guyana on BWIA or GAC.

Had mad Janet been in power instead you would have been battling sting rays, camoodies and caiman as you tried to swim across the Takatu river to freedom.  Just like how their mentor Fidel Castro had Cubans battling sharks as they attempted to flee his Marxist Leninist paradise.

You ought to also be glad that Burnham died before that fiasco of a National Front gov't.  Cheddi would have directly succeeded him, and aside from replacing black "cooperative socialists" with Indian Marxist Leninist, nothing would have changed.

Your trips to Guyana would have been via an ageing Russian plane that you would have had to fly to Trinidad or Barbados to catch.

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

If this and if that matters not.  Fact is PNC ran the cake shop for 28 years and that was their legacy regardless who was throwing stones and who was cheerleading.  You (PNC) owned it!!

You should thank Burnham because I am sure that you left Guyana on BWIA or GAC.

Had mad Janet been in power instead you would have been battling sting rays, camoodies and caiman as you tried to swim across the Takatu river to freedom.  Just like how their mentor Fidel Castro had Cubans battling sharks as they attempted to flee his Marxist Leninist paradise.

You ought to also be glad that Burnham died before that fiasco of a National Front gov't.  Cheddi would have directly succeeded him, and aside from replacing black "cooperative socialists" with Indian Marxist Leninist, nothing would have changed.

Your trips to Guyana would have been via an ageing Russian plane that you would have had to fly to Trinidad or Barbados to catch.

Unfortunately for you bai, we don't have to guess what Cheddi would have done or believe someone's made up story. Cheddi was Predident from 1992 until his death in 1997 and he did not do any of the things you wish to pin on him. Woulda coulda shoulda don't replace actual historical fact. No one need to thank Burnham for anything. His actual record is one that saw Guyana saved only by his death.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

If this and if that matters not.  Fact is PNC ran the cake shop for 28 years and that was their legacy regardless who was throwing stones and who was cheerleading.  You (PNC) owned it!!

You should thank Burnham because I am sure that you left Guyana on BWIA or GAC.

Had mad Janet been in power instead you would have been battling sting rays, camoodies and caiman as you tried to swim across the Takatu river to freedom.  Just like how their mentor Fidel Castro had Cubans battling sharks as they attempted to flee his Marxist Leninist paradise.

You ought to also be glad that Burnham died before that fiasco of a National Front gov't.  Cheddi would have directly succeeded him, and aside from replacing black "cooperative socialists" with Indian Marxist Leninist, nothing would have changed.

Your trips to Guyana would have been via an ageing Russian plane that you would have had to fly to Trinidad or Barbados to catch.

Unfortunately for you bai, we don't have to guess what Cheddi would have done or believe someone's made up story. Cheddi was Predident from 1992 until his death in 1997 and he did not do any of the things you wish to pin on him. Woulda coulda shoulda don't replace actual historical fact. No one need to thank Burnham for anything. His actual record is one that saw Guyana saved only by his death.

RACIST Carib hate for Indos is now stinking up GNI. He is starting to believe his lies.

ba$eman posted:

If this and if that matters not.  Fact is PNC ran the cake shop for 28 years and that was their legacy regardless who was throwing stones and who was cheerleading.  You (PNC) owned it!!

Which party for approx 18 years ran the Coke shops/turned a blind eye/rejected outside help just before the new Govt was put in place? You (PPP) you owned it!!

ba$eman posted:

tormborn posted:

ksazma posted:

Were these shelves in 1991 stocked with commodities then produced in Guyana that were not being produced in 1987 or were they stocked with commodities imported by the small traders? Secondly, who was the president when the GY dollar was devalued from about $5.00 to around $90.00 for a US dollar?

The money had to be devalued to reflect its worth. Hoyte and Burnham era saw to its decline. It has not been upward revalued since as our economy remains precarious.

Hoyte did indeed start a revolution. I remember being there in 82 and later in 90 and the difference was stark and that was real since the drug effect did not come until 10 years later.You could see that in a graph of the economic trajectory.

What jokers you clowns are.  Hoyte put up a tent in place of the destroyed mansion, and he is a hero.

Listen banna, Guyana's dollar will not revalue based on the economy even with oil.  Guyana dollar is not some free-floating reverve currency.  Money has been printed and circulated so it remains there with slight movement here and there.  The fact that the currency has remained stable over two decades is a testiment to the stable conomy under the PPP. If Granger and his PNC cohorts screw things up again, that currency could hit 300 to 400 in rapid succession.

The only way the GYD will reverse is a reverse split with a relaunched currency but it changes nothing in reality. it's just an optical illusion, just like the PNC economic masterplan!

Who called Hoyte a hero? Your desire to devalue anything by a black administration suffocates your reason. He did implement plans that resulted in a change around. It is a statement of fact. The rest of your post matters not. If  oil comes in and the nation gets close to a billion a year and establishes a fund for external investment it will reflect on the value of its currency.

ksazma posted:

 

You ought to also be glad that Burnham died before that fiasco of a National Front gov't.  Cheddi would have directly succeeded him, and aside from replacing black "cooperative socialists" with Indian Marxist Leninist, nothing would have changed.

Your trips to Guyana would have been via an ageing Russian plane that you would have had to fly to Trinidad or Barbados to catch.

Unfortunately for you bai, we don't have to guess what Cheddi would have done or believe someone's made up story. Cheddi was Predident from 1992 until his death in 1997 and he did not do any of the things you wish to pin on him. Woulda coulda shoulda don't replace actual historical fact. No one need to thank Burnham for anything. His actual record is one that saw Guyana saved only by his death.

Like I said, thank Hoyte and the death of Burnham for the fact that the union of the communist twins under a National Front gov't didn't occur.

Had that National Front happened Cheddi would have been hard core Castro upon the death of Burnham.   There would have been no Hoyte reforms which then blocked Cheddi from going full communist.

I left Guyana on BWIA.  I enjoyed that trip more than a swim across a caiman and camoodie infested river, followed by figuring out how the hell would I get out of Brazil.  THAT would have been Guyana had the PPP won in 1964. Be glad that they didn't win.

yuji22 posted:

 

RACIST Carib hate for Indos is now stinking up GNI. He is starting to believe his lies.

I see. Revealing how in love Cheddi and his brutish wife were with Moscow and Havana is now racist.

Yet this man screams about black laziness, violence, and overall uselessness.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 

You ought to also be glad that Burnham died before that fiasco of a National Front gov't.  Cheddi would have directly succeeded him, and aside from replacing black "cooperative socialists" with Indian Marxist Leninist, nothing would have changed.

Your trips to Guyana would have been via an ageing Russian plane that you would have had to fly to Trinidad or Barbados to catch.

Unfortunately for you bai, we don't have to guess what Cheddi would have done or believe someone's made up story. Cheddi was Predident from 1992 until his death in 1997 and he did not do any of the things you wish to pin on him. Woulda coulda shoulda don't replace actual historical fact. No one need to thank Burnham for anything. His actual record is one that saw Guyana saved only by his death.

Like I said, thank Hoyte and the death of Burnham for the fact that the union of the communist twins under a National Front gov't didn't occur.

Had that National Front happened Cheddi would have been hard core Castro upon the death of Burnham.   There would have been no Hoyte reforms which then blocked Cheddi from going full communist.

I left Guyana on BWIA.  I enjoyed that trip more than a swim across a caiman and camoodie infested river, followed by figuring out how the hell would I get out of Brazil.  THAT would have been Guyana had the PPP won in 1964. Be glad that they didn't win.

It is still the actual (fact) record versus your wild conjecture.

ksazma posted:

 

It is still the actual (fact) record versus your wild conjecture.

Hmmm.  The PPP a Marxist party, begging Burnham to let them in. Why?  Praising Burnham for having the state fully dominate the economy.  Why, when this allowed Burnham to fully throttle the population?

Because their bosses in Moscow and Havana demanded that they do.  The open praise for the Soviet Union when they invaded Afghanistan.

Clearly the PPP was a Marxist Leninist in that USSR/Cuba mold.

And here is the new fact.  Granger has shown NONE of the dictatorial qualities of Burnham, so much so that even WITHIN his gov't he can face open criticism.

Yet you all scream that he is WORSE than Burnham.  Isn't that conjecture, given that all he has in common with Burnham is that he is black?  Shelves with imported water in a land that has too much of it. Burnham must be rolling in his grave seeing that Granger allows this.

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caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 

It is still the actual (fact) record versus your wild conjecture.

Hmmm.  The PPP a Marxist party, begging Burnham to let them in. Why?  Praising Burnham for having the state fully dominate the economy.  Why, when this allowed Burnham to fully throttle the population?

Because their bosses in Moscow and Havana demanded that they do.  The open praise for the Soviet Union when they invaded Afghanistan.

Clearly the PPP was a Marxist Leninist in that USSR/Cuba mold.

And here is the new fact.  Granger has shown NONE of the dictatorial qualities of Burnham, so much so that even WITHIN his gov't he can face open criticism.

Yet you all scream that he is WORSE than Burnham.  Isn't that conjecture, given that all he has in common with Burnham is that he is black?  Shelves with imported water in a land that has too much of it. Burnham must be rolling in his grave seeing that Granger allows this.

cut the bull.  Granger was one of Burnham's main henchmen.  

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

this.

cut the bull.  Granger was one of Burnham's main henchmen.  

And Roger Khan, who is now being raped every night in US jails, owned Jagdeo.  In fact Jagdeo was one of his henchmen.

Thanks to some brothers who defended Indos when the PNC unleashed their terror and murder squads. How soon some people forgot or pretend to forget the ruthless and murderous PNC.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 

It is still the actual (fact) record versus your wild conjecture.

Hmmm.  The PPP a Marxist party, begging Burnham to let them in. Why?  Praising Burnham for having the state fully dominate the economy.  Why, when this allowed Burnham to fully throttle the population?

Because their bosses in Moscow and Havana demanded that they do.  The open praise for the Soviet Union when they invaded Afghanistan.

Clearly the PPP was a Marxist Leninist in that USSR/Cuba mold.

And here is the new fact.  Granger has shown NONE of the dictatorial qualities of Burnham, so much so that even WITHIN his gov't he can face open criticism.

Yet you all scream that he is WORSE than Burnham.  Isn't that conjecture, given that all he has in common with Burnham is that he is black?  Shelves with imported water in a land that has too much of it. Burnham must be rolling in his grave seeing that Granger allows this.

True dat! Preach it Brother Carib.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 

You ought to also be glad that Burnham died before that fiasco of a National Front gov't.  Cheddi would have directly succeeded him, and aside from replacing black "cooperative socialists" with Indian Marxist Leninist, nothing would have changed.

Your trips to Guyana would have been via an ageing Russian plane that you would have had to fly to Trinidad or Barbados to catch.

Unfortunately for you bai, we don't have to guess what Cheddi would have done or believe someone's made up story. Cheddi was Predident from 1992 until his death in 1997 and he did not do any of the things you wish to pin on him. Woulda coulda shoulda don't replace actual historical fact. No one need to thank Burnham for anything. His actual record is one that saw Guyana saved only by his death.

Like I said, thank Hoyte and the death of Burnham for the fact that the union of the communist twins under a National Front gov't didn't occur.

Shameful, you would go to any lengths to ensure no one of Indian heritage hold the top political office in the land.  Here you even seem to condone the PNC inside job that saw the demise of Burnham!  Shame on you!!

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

 

Like I said, thank Hoyte and the death of Burnham for the fact that the union of the communist twins under a National Front gov't didn't occur.

Shameful, you would go to any lengths to ensure no one of Indian heritage hold the top political office in the land.  Here you even seem to condone the PNC inside job that saw the demise of Burnham!  Shame on you!!

The reality is that Hoyte did not wake up one day and decide that he will fix Guyana's problems. The ERP came after the GYD was devalued some 2000% by the IMF. Hoyte was forced to correct the PNC's nonsense. If Hoyte was the good change that Guyana needed after Burnham, he would not have rigged the 1985 elections. My guess is that he would have rigged the 1992 (notice 7 long years instead of the 5 allowed by the Constitution) had he not been pressured by the international committee to do so. My kids crack up when I tell them that in Guyana people are addressed as Comrade this and Comrade that as in "Comrade Roberts would like to see Comrade Singh and Comrade Mohammed right now".

ksazma posted:

 My kids crack up when I tell them that in Guyana people are addressed as Comrade this and Comrade that as in "Comrade Roberts would like to see Comrade Singh and Comrade Mohammed right now".

Never like the word "Comrade" always use Mr. Mrs and Miss,i addressed a top PNC official as Mr. ,there was a pause close to a minute then he respond,in my mind i knew what he was thinking.

Django posted:

ksazma posted:

 My kids crack up when I tell them that in Guyana people are addressed as Comrade this and Comrade that as in "Comrade Roberts would like to see Comrade Singh and Comrade Mohammed right now".

Never like the word "Comrade" always use Mr. Mrs and Miss,i addressed a top PNC official as Mr. ,there was a pause close to a minute then he respond,in my mind i knew what he was thinking.

We all sounded so robotic back then. One has to love the simple way we exist in America. My brother was already going to college in the US while I was still in Guyana. We in Guyana had our infatuation with big words. So when he visited Guyana and heard me speak, he remarked, "when you go to America, try using simple words". 

ba$eman posted:

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Shameful, you would go to any lengths to ensure no one of Indian heritage hold the top political office in the land. 

This from the one screaming and crying with rage when Granger won.  Already ranting about blackman.

Now what has Granger done equivalent to Burnham?  You cannot say, so instead collapse into racial paranoia.

ksazma posted:

. Hoyte was forced to correct the PNC's nonsense.".

How so?  Do you seriously think that if Burnham was still alive that he would have engaged in the actions that Hoyte did.  Even if it meant Guyana becoming Somalia Burnham would have refused to open up the economy.

And in fact you display great ignorance of the PNC.  At the time it was controlled by Hammie Green, Viola Burnham and other hard line PNC activists.  Lord knows what they would have done to Hoyte had he immediately moved to dismantle Burnham's monstrous institutional infrastructure.

I suggest that you learn some thing about Maurice Bishop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...Arrest_and_execution

Bernard Coard arrested and killed Bishop because Bishop was not hardline enough.  THAT would have been Hoyte's fate, and you know full well that life meant little to Hammie Green. He was already angry when Burnham chose Hoyte to succeed him.

When Hoyte had gathered enough strength and the Burnhamite crowd had lost power, then Hoyte moved to act.

But the notion that the IMF and others would have forced Burnham to change, when it is Burnham's refusal to change which landed Guyana in the mess that Burnham left it, is ludicrous.

ksazma posted:

 

We all sounded so robotic back then.

British colonial education.  The first thing that I had to learn how to do when I came here was get straight to the point. 

In fact reading letters in Guyanese newspapers you see that they still haven't learned this.  They must meander through the writings of German philosophers, and some where in the 3rd paragraph they begin to make their point.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

. Hoyte was forced to correct the PNC's nonsense.".

How so?  Do you seriously think that if Burnham was still alive that he would have engaged in the actions that Hoyte did.  Even if it meant Guyana becoming Somalia Burnham would have refused to open up the economy.

And in fact you display great ignorance of the PNC.  At the time it was controlled by Hammie Green, Viola Burnham and other hard line PNC activists.  Lord knows what they would have done to Hoyte had he immediately moved to dismantle Burnham's monstrous institutional infrastructure.

I suggest that you learn some thing about Maurice Bishop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...Arrest_and_execution

Bernard Coard arrested and killed Bishop because Bishop was not hardline enough.  THAT would have been Hoyte's fate, and you know full well that life meant little to Hammie Green. He was already angry when Burnham chose Hoyte to succeed him.

When Hoyte had gathered enough strength and the Burnhamite crowd had lost power, then Hoyte moved to act.

But the notion that the IMF and others would have forced Burnham to change, when it is Burnham's refusal to change which landed Guyana in the mess that Burnham left it, is ludicrous.

In the entire text of my posted you referenced above, I did not state anything about Burnham. I was focusing on Hoyte and if he was upright  from the day Burnham died, if he was ever upright or if he was forced to be upright. However, if you prefer to wallow in muddy water, go right ahead.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

We all sounded so robotic back then.

British colonial education.  The first thing that I had to learn how to do when I came here was get straight to the point. 

In fact reading letters in Guyanese newspapers you see that they still haven't learned this.  They must meander through the writings of German philosophers, and some where in the 3rd paragraph they begin to make their point.

I agree. Even today, reading those long ass articles are timewasting. I can read several articles in the Miami Herald in the same time it takes to read one from KN or SN to name a few.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

We all sounded so robotic back then.

British colonial education.  The first thing that I had to learn how to do when I came here was get straight to the point. 

In fact reading letters in Guyanese newspapers you see that they still haven't learned this.  They must meander through the writings of German philosophers, and some where in the 3rd paragraph they begin to make their point.

I agree. Even today, reading those long ass articles are timewasting. I can read several articles in the Miami Herald in the same time it takes to read one from KN or SN to name a few.

Suh yh gat to like Uncle Nehru short and sweet writings.

ksazma posted:

 

In the entire text of my posted you referenced above, I did not state anything about Burnham. I was focusing on Hoyte and if he was upright  from the day Burnham died, if he was ever upright or if he was forced to be upright. However, if you prefer to wallow in muddy water, go right ahead.

And in fact in 1985 until up to 1990 Burnhamite elements RAN the PNC.  Hoyte was a mere figure head. A mild mannered man to disguise these evil types.

So you CANNOT assess what Hoyte did or didn't do until you begin to understand the realities of the PNC in the earlier part of his rule.

Now you can descend to the silliness of a Nehru or a Drugb if you wish, but then you just show that you aren't interested in serious discussion.

Hoyte had to WEAKEN the Burnhamite faction.  Would you have preferred that they killed him as Coard killed Bishop?  Grenada was rescued by the hundreds of US medical students present on that island, so the Reagan intervention was done under the guise of rescuing them.

Now who would have invaded Guyana to protect against the brutish and bloodthirsty tyrant who would have emerged had Green killed Hoyte and then taken over?

And in fact you saw the dynamic in 1992.  Green led riots when the PNC lost. Hoyte told him to stop.  Green called Hoyte a traitor and a sell out and promptly left the PNC taking his card core supporters with him.

Nehru posted:

ksazma posted:

 

I agree. Even today, reading those long ass articles are timewasting. I can read several articles in the Miami Herald in the same time it takes to read one from KN or SN to name a few.

Suh yh gat to like Uncle Nehru short and sweet writings.

Short and to the point.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 

In the entire text of my posted you referenced above, I did not state anything about Burnham. I was focusing on Hoyte and if he was upright  from the day Burnham died, if he was ever upright or if he was forced to be upright. However, if you prefer to wallow in muddy water, go right ahead.

And in fact in 1985 until up to 1990 Burnhamite elements RAN the PNC.  Hoyte was a mere figure head. A mild mannered man to disguise these evil types.

So you CANNOT assess what Hoyte did or didn't do until you begin to understand the realities of the PNC in the earlier part of his rule.

Now you can descend to the silliness of a Nehru or a Drugb if you wish, but then you just show that you aren't interested in serious discussion.

Hoyte had to WEAKEN the Burnhamite faction.  Would you have preferred that they killed him as Coard killed Bishop?  Grenada was rescued by the hundreds of US medical students present on that island, so the Reagan intervention was done under the guise of rescuing them.

Now who would have invaded Guyana to protect against the brutish and bloodthirsty tyrant who would have emerged had Green killed Hoyte and then taken over?

And in fact you saw the dynamic in 1992.  Green led riots when the PNC lost. Hoyte told him to stop.  Green called Hoyte a traitor and a sell out and promptly left the PNC taking his card core supporters with him.

So the Burnhamite elements of the PNC was still there when Hoyte was forced by the international community to hold free and fair elections.