ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 

In the entire text of my posted you referenced above, I did not state anything about Burnham. I was focusing on Hoyte and if he was upright  from the day Burnham died, if he was ever upright or if he was forced to be upright. However, if you prefer to wallow in muddy water, go right ahead.

 

So the Burnhamite elements of the PNC was still there when Hoyte was forced by the international community to hold free and fair elections.

When Burnham died they controlled the PNC. Hoyte, being a technocrat minister, with no political base, lacked the clout to do anything. He had to build it over time.

Even as he moved to adapt the ERP you had Viola having a nervous break down screaming that Hoyte was destroying her husband's legacy.

Why do you think that Hoyte arrested the House of Israel and other Hammie Green goons, as soon as he had the clout to do so?  That was part of his defanging the Burnhamite elements as he developed his own power base within the PNC.

Now imagine if Hoyte was killed by Green, because he acted before he had the clout, and you had a president Green in 1992.  In the first place there would have been no elections as Green would have been a Papa Doc.

Now continue to descend to the stupidity of a Nehru, or a Skeldonman or a Drugb.

The behavior of the Green faction in 1992, and their immediate departure from the PNC soon after showed that within the PNC there was serious dissension, and that had the Green faction had the upper hand in 1992 the results would have been different.

So yes there were external pressures against the PNC regime, but Hoyte could have ignored them as Green definitely would have.

BTW the first act of Janet Jagan was to release Hammie Green thugs from jail. Some of them now being PPP MPs.

 And by 1996 Hammie Green was playing footsie with her.  This lead to the collapse of Hammie Green's party as his faction saw him as a sell out to the PPP.  The PPP REFUSED to hold LGE because a PNC candidate (not Hammie who was GGG) would have won.

The PPP wanted the GGG to become powerful so as to split the black/mixed vote.  They failed as they continue to under estimate the fear that the black/mixed population have of the PPP. So Hammie Green became a non factor when his flirtations with the PPP (to spite Hoyte) became open.

Everything you wrote above shows that Hoyte did not change his style because he was able to shake off the Burnhamite elements of the PNC because they were still there up to and after they lost the 1992 elections. The only fact is that by 1992 Guyana was on its knees with nowhere to turn except to the IMF and were forced by the international community to behave decent with regard to Guyana' political parties. Hoyte did not hold fair elections because he believed it was the right thing to do nor did he do it because he was finally free of the Burnham elements of the PNC. He did so because he had no other option. Maybe he even thought he would nevertheless win.

Local plantain chips on the supermarket shelves. Made in Canje.Made in Guyana.

ksazma posted:

.. He did so because he had no other option. Maybe he even thought he would nevertheless win.

Fidel Castro was given an option of having free and fair election in exchange for the end of the US embargo.  He didn't and Cuban suffered.

Hoyte could have easily taken the same track and didn't.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

.. He did so because he had no other option. Maybe he even thought he would nevertheless win.

Fidel Castro was given an option of having free and fair election in exchange for the end of the US embargo.  He didn't and Cuban suffered.

Hoyte could have easily taken the same track and didn't.

So Hoyte gets credit for acknowledging that his party bankrupted Guyana and decided to not be belligerent like Castro?

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

 

So Hoyte gets credit for acknowledging that his party bankrupted Guyana and decided to not be belligerent like Castro?

Yes.  He recognized the damage that Burnham did. When he had the power to sideline the Burnham elements he began to transform the economy.

And thanks to him your PPP silly communist friends were blocked from copying Fidel Castro.  Even though it took them a long time to cease describing themselves as a party committed to Marxist Leninism.

It would do you credit to acknowledge that Hoyte did what no other Guyanese head of state did and that was to risk an election, even though the most likely outcome would have been him losing.

When he lost he accepted this gracefully, unlike Jagdeo who runs around scream like a mad cow that the election was rigged, yet can offer no proof of this.

Look at how the PPP did their best to avoid LGE and even closed down parliament as they began to fear that they would lose.

caribny posted:

Yes.  He recognized the damage that Burnham did. When he had the power to sideline the Burnham elements he began to transform the economy.

And thanks to him your PPP silly communist friends were blocked from copying Fidel Castro.  Even though it took them a long time to cease describing themselves as a party committed to Marxist Leninism.

It would do you credit to acknowledge that Hoyte did what no other Guyanese head of state did and that was to risk an election, even though the most likely outcome would have been him losing.

When he lost he accepted this gracefully, unlike Jagdeo who runs around scream like a mad cow that the election was rigged, yet can offer no proof of this.

Look at how the PPP did their best to avoid LGE and even closed down parliament as they began to fear that they would lose.

There is so much delusion here that I don't even care to glorify it with any response.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

Yes.  He recognized the damage that Burnham did. When he had the power to sideline the Burnham elements he began to transform the economy.

And thanks to him your PPP silly communist friends were blocked from copying Fidel Castro.  Even though it took them a long time to cease describing themselves as a party committed to Marxist Leninism.

It would do you credit to acknowledge that Hoyte did what no other Guyanese head of state did and that was to risk an election, even though the most likely outcome would have been him losing.

When he lost he accepted this gracefully, unlike Jagdeo who runs around scream like a mad cow that the election was rigged, yet can offer no proof of this.

Look at how the PPP did their best to avoid LGE and even closed down parliament as they began to fear that they would lose.

There is so much delusion here that I don't even care to glorify it with any response.

Carib is behaving like he needs mental assistance. 

He can be an excellent poster and then a minute later, he can turn into a completely delusional poster.

Could be all that cheap weed that he uses, just like Cain.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

Yes.  He recognized the damage that Burnham did. When he had the power to sideline the Burnham elements he began to transform the economy.

And thanks to him your PPP silly communist friends were blocked from copying Fidel Castro.  Even though it took them a long time to cease describing themselves as a party committed to Marxist Leninism.

It would do you credit to acknowledge that Hoyte did what no other Guyanese head of state did and that was to risk an election, even though the most likely outcome would have been him losing.

When he lost he accepted this gracefully, unlike Jagdeo who runs around scream like a mad cow that the election was rigged, yet can offer no proof of this.

Look at how the PPP did their best to avoid LGE and even closed down parliament as they began to fear that they would lose.

There is so much delusion here that I don't even care to glorify it with any response.

When some one cannot argue points raised by another he then pretends that the arguments are so wrong.

Kaz you have no argument so just let the discussion end.  Hoyte was a turning point in Guyana. Burnham and Cheddi were of like mind, both thinking that state control was essential.  Cheddi was delirious with joy every time Burnham nationalized another industry.  In fact his GIMPEX was his attempt, even when British Guiana was owned by Bookers, to begin to do the same.

yuji22 posted:

 

He can be an excellent poster

The problem is that I cannot even say that of you.  Racism and ignorance, spite, envy and extreme rage that Guyana is no longer Little Indesh is all that you spew.  On any forum worthy of its salt the commentary that you just ranted about Afros would have had you banned PERMANENTLY!

If I were Ksaz I would stay far away from you.