GuySuCo estates grind to a halt over pay demands

Some of the ppl from the OP's office should give up their salaries in honour of the Father of the Nation, seeing how the sugar workers are his children.

Now, come on comrades be good socialist/communist.

Jagdeo's pension would cover most of the pay raises. So it's Jagdeo or the sugar workers.

maybe they can send some of the ppp crime family to cut some cane and save the sugar industries,some of them that is being paid by OP to post shit on this site like fat albert,maybe nehru can join them too

I hope they will remember how they are being treated come next elections

The AFC or PNC in power would not improve the chafe of cane cutters. It is an economic decision based on inefficient running of Guysuco and loss of subsidies. The govt needs to get out of running any type of industry and let private sector and market forces determine which industry survives.  Govt job is to govern not to run business. 

Talking from the back seat is always easy driving.  Even the PPP realize some of the issues the PNC was confronted regarding Bauxite and Sugar are the same for them.  There are policy approaches which could help or make a difference within certain parameters however, many of the underlying issues remain.  For this reason, the PNC has been fairly muted on the Linden electricity subsidy issue.  They know it's a conflict they would have had to confront.

For these two industries, down-streaming coupled with modern and efficient production could keep them afloat.  The Sugar industry has made some attempts and seem to be moving down this path.  Bauxite is a lot more difficult given the type and size of investments needed.  Couple this with Lindeners bruk-up and bun-down mentality, it's a virtually impossible task.

I don't agree that the Govt should leave it to "survival of the fittest" as many industries will go under very quickly given they are playing in a global market.  I do agree the Govt should not be involved in running businesses however, the Govt should be involved in risk-sharing and other means which makes it more attractive for investors.  Govts, especially in small nations, does have a more direct role in the economy.

When the British was in charge, was the British crown running sugar and rice estate? Now it was private entities. It was only when Burnham nationalize the industry that it turn to crap.  Any business that govt put their hands on turn to shyte,  that is because there is no vested interest in success as you would see in the private sector. They can fiddle around with tax payers dollars as we have seen with both the pNC and PPP. 

The ppp would just have Rohee send his boys with live bullets to give them a does of linden to bring these terrorist who is demanding free handouts to their senses.....

If they disrupt and destroy assets and others, they should be dealt with according to to law.  They are not striking for freeness, they are fighting for pay.  This is a far cry from what Linden was protesting over.  They wanted freeness and to live off the backs of others.  But, the shooting seems unjustified anyway.

WTF does that mean in the REAL world?!

Sometimes you just spout jargon to impress like you know shit.

Stick to the thing you know and do well, OK . . ., i.e., chanting down Blackman

You tell me nah.  What two industries you think me talking about?

It is not mere inefficient running of the company. It is corrupt running of the company in the usual managing style of the PPP .What the hell is Geeta plunderer of CLICO doing on the board? And Raj SIngh, as CEO is like putting you at the head of microsoft. At least you would have some experience because you are a grunt programmer. Raj Singh is just a PPP ass licker par excellence and that is his resume fro this job. Meanwhile, the people suffer in ignorance and come election time the will be told you cannot have black people in office because they simply do not have the capacity to do anything. And 90 percent of these people will believe it. Thank the stars that at least 6% defection from the PPP fecal soup will again be a glimmer of hope for the salvation of our society from its gradual decline into ethnic chaos.

let me break it down into easily digestible pieces, you fraud!

ah waan know more bout the the real-world "down-streaming coupled with modern and efficient production" that would keep the bauxite industry afloat.

Never said "would", said "could".  Nothing guarantees anything, just may increase the chances, but it may introduce other challenges.  Careful evaluation and analysis need to be done.

For bauxite, the BIG hurdle is abundant and cheap power.  Until that is overcome, bauxite will remain a mining operation.

OK, "could" not "would" . . .

I don't need your bluff about "cheap power" . . . address my issue or STFU!

And what is YOUR issue?  Cheap power IS the road-block to further down streaming in the Bauxite industry.  So WTF you talking about.

Incredible that you think you can bluff about "road-block[s]" without first specifying WHAT the "road-blocks" are blocking [my issue, BTW].

Need I remind you of your idiotic statement . . .:

"For these two industries, down-streaming coupled with modern and efficient production could keep them afloat.  The Sugar industry has made some attempts and seem to be moving down this path.  Bauxite is a lot more difficult given the type and size of investments needed.  Couple this with Lindeners bruk-up and bun-down mentality, it's a virtually impossible task."

your turn

Exactly what don't you understand?

. . . you think you can bluff about "road-block[s]" without first specifying WHAT the "road-blocks" are blocking [my issue, BTW].

"Roadblock", what don't you understand, I am referring to a viable source of abundant and cheap power, like hydro.  This has always prevented further downstreaming in bauxite.  However, as I mentioned, it's a huge investment and careful analysis needs to be done.  Thus my comment on the "bruk-up and bun-down mentality", which raises the hurdle.  Remember, even Burnham quest for hydro power never came through.

Now, am I losing you somewhere?

. . . without first specifying WHAT the "road-blocks" are blocking

Why not?  This is what happened to bauxite, the result being that thousands of people who used to work in relatively well paying jobs in bauxite have been forced out having to eke out a living elsewhere.  This in a town where alternatives to bauxite are scarce.  The o0nly reason why Linden exists is becaus eof bauxite and with poor soils, and wth Guyana's backward goivt which isnt interested in stimulating new industries, there are limited alternatives.

Sugar districts have many alternatives open to them.  So why keep sugar if it isnt working?

If it was, then it happened under the PNC and the PPP has to resurrect that almost dead which is a feat in itself.  The GoG cannot perform magic as bauxite is very exposed to the economies of large nations.  And being a highly recycled product, demand has to come from real growth.

So, tell us, what new industries are options for Linden?  As I said, why don't you make a proposal to the GoG.

You know you all PPP folks demand that Lindeners trust you and then you tell lies on them.

1.  There was NO destruction of anything until the police attacked a multi racial group of people who were exercising their democratic right to prfotest.  Segments of the population became enraged and amob mentality prevailed.  Note the reaction of the miners in South Africa, ande indeed of other rwds when unprovoked policfe violenec occurs.

2.  You have no proof that the entire town of Linden was involved in the subsequent criminal behavior, whether they support, or indeed what thye motives of those who burnt down buildings indeed was.  Some one was paid to commit arson.  Who paid them?  We know if it was people connected to APNU or the AFC you would have told us so.

One can argue that the subsidies to keep Guysuco alive and therefore keeping jobs foir sugar workers way exceeds the subsidies that BOSAI receives from the govt to generate electricity for ITSELF, making surplus generation available to Linden.

Whats good for Peter ought to be good for Paul.  If you wish a "survival of the fittest" mentality for the majority black town of Linden, then demand the same fopr the majority Indian cane cutters.  PRIVATIZE Guysuco and if most end up unemployed, or ekeing out a living in occupations which pay less then so be it,

I already discussed alternate options.  The manufacturing sector in Guyana is stymied because electricity is bvery expensive.  If Linden has cheap electricty and has/or used to have a pool of skiled workers, then with tax incentives, it can become an industrial zone for Guyana.  Ditto for warehousing. 

This is what we should be talking about. Not a strategy based on helping people eke out a living making baskets or whatever nonsensen the LEAP program was involved witrh,and thinking that this will rescue a town of 30,000 people, few of whom now work in bauxite. 

The govt of GY needs to get off their butts and allow the Brazilians to build the highway that was promised.  Looking at that Guyana feature on Discovery you ought to be embarrassed as a Guyanese at the condition of the main road to the interior, given the economic importance of the gold/diamonds sector to the economy.

And if the police had not shot people like a goon squad you know full well that there would have been no "bruk" up mentality.  Apart from this occasion when else have Lindeners been involve din violent destruction of property?

I also suggest that had Burnham shot and killed GAWU workers in the 70s when they went on strike, burnt down canefields and sabotaged factory property  what would have been your reaction?

And by the way. We were told that Guysuco would be profitable when sugar reached 14c.  It is now over 20c. There are no more EU price guarantees.

So how is sugar any different?  It is a commodity subject to price volatility.  Per capita consumpion in major economies is decinling as people move away from sugar, and the emerging markets will buy sugar from the cheapest and most reliable supplier, which isnt Guyana.

Caribj, the cheap electricity is partially due to tax/duty subsidy but I take the point.  Now, with Linden having "cheap" power for decades, what you think have stopped/prevented people moving operations there to take advantage?  People prefer to export to TT and do work there for cheap power, why not Linden?

Clearly the factory is not operating at optimal capacity.  I have always contend that the sugar industry needs to modernize through mechanization and move away from raw sugar into ethanol, etc to remain viable.

Tell teh PPP to sell Guysuco as they are clearly no more able to manage it as was Burnham able to manage Guymine. 

Watch as the new owners do to the sugar estates what BOSAI did to Linden.  If these former Guysuco workers starve and protest their suffering I will watch while you demand that their plight be ignored as you do for the people of Linden.

But of cours eyou wouldnt.  You will appeal for the govt to do something for these "poor" people.  Even though there are way more economic options available to them compliments of the well drained and fertlie farmlands, which the new owners will abandon as they shut down sugar production in Demerara.

Caribj, even in the hay-day of the sugar industry, sugar workers were at the lowest end of the economic ladder, and they never asked for preferential treatment, just fair pay.  Many have moved on from Sugar and BTW, so have many Lindeners.  They just hide behind bauxite employment to fool the public into justifying cheap power for all.  Many are making ample living in gold and timber.

You have no idea what you are talking about . . . so stop pulling shyte out of your ass!

Well, you would say that, wouldn't you?

Yess . . . no counting the number of times I have to call you out on the bogus shyte you try to slip past here when you think no one is paying attention

Hmmm, despite all the housing, training, land development schemes and scholarships that BOOKERS provided from them.

Any way sugar is now dead.  Bury it a syou rush to bury bauxite and if the sugar workers suffer then they wil learn what happened to Lindeners.

Also if no one is in sugar why do we still have it?

Really.  Gold and timber arent in Linden.  Lindeners move elsewhere.  What of those unable to leave Linden?

Should you tell us that Guyana has no problem because there are almost as many Guyanese living OUTSIDE, and many who remain benefit?

rEDUX, you are the biggest shit blower on the planet you were born to lie, decieve, manipulate and be concerned ONLY with SELF, ME ME ME. Me want POWER, WEALTH, STATUS and ME gun do anything to get them!!!.Prostitution is the oldest Profession in the World. Political Prostitutes are the WORST!!!!

Nehru bai, I appreciate the hate . . . validates my time spent on GNI

You are welcome but there is no shame with you, you simply have NONE!!!!