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Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by Lucas:

An exhibition in London is not going to turn Guyana into a tourist Mecca.

 


Guyana will never, ever be a tourist mecca---but there is a niche in the tourism market it can fill---adventure tours---eco tours, etc, etc

 

Will tourism be a large contributor to the economy ? No!

 

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Rev

 

 


And yet Guyana gets almost no eco/adventure tourists.  Even you couldnt find any so you had to tell us about some white men who went to Guyana to "save all those heathen Hindu pagans from death and damnation".

 

Yes Guyana does need to promote and its cheapest to do so at exhibits.  The problem is that once some one (who is not Guyanese) does becaome interested to visit, its very hard to buy a trip.  When they do reach Guyana there is a serious risk of spending the entire trip in Gtwn, dodging the garbage floating down the street, if trips to the interior are canceled due to insufficient passengers.  I will NOT recommend a white foreigner taking one of those interior buses, as even Brazilians get robbed, so imagine some Englishman screaming wealth and vulnerability, in the yes of would be bandits!!!

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 
Rev gives us details about how tourism is developing in Guyana. 
 


carib bai:

 

You are a good TALKER---talkers talk---they are masters of complaining, condeming and criticizing---that's you caribJ--- but when it comes to doing, taking action and producing---talkers are missing in action---they are the least productive members of society.

 

 

RE: TOURISM IN GUYANA

 

As of right now---2013, the tourism sector has attracted $GUY25 billion in investments from 14 local tourism investors---these local investors are the DOERS in Guyana---they are not TALKERS like you caribJ----they are DOERS.

 

The investments range from the establishments of resorts and expansion of hotels to the establishment of multi-complex entertainment centers.

 

 

RE: ARRIVALS GUYANA

 

In 2011--you had close to 150,000

 

In 2012 there were nearly 175,000 arrivals

 

Do the math caribJ---tell us what was the % increase in arrivals.

 

Listen carib--you are a diehard PNC man---you long for the days when Guyana was broke and bankrupt---that was under the PNC.

 

The Rev has some bad news for you caribJ---those days will not return to Guyana---the DOERS in the business sector will propel Guyana to greater heights---exciting times are ahead for Guyana---in all sectors---tourism, mining, agriculture, manufacturing, etc, etc

 

Rev

 

FM
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Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by caribny:
 
Rev gives us details about how tourism is developing in Guyana. 
 


carib bai:

 

You are a good TALKER---talkers talk---they are masters of complaining, condeming and criticizing---that's you caribJ--- but when it comes to doing, taking action and producing---talkers are missing in action---they are the least productive members of society.

 

 

RE: TOURISM IN GUYANA

 

As of right now---2013, the tourism sector has attracted $GUY25 billion in investments from 14 local tourism investors---these local investors are the DOERS in Guyana---they are not TALKERS like you caribJ----they are DOERS.

What makes you a doer? Caribj has an ivy league diploma on his wall, what do you have on yours? To this point you are not even a good talker. All you do is plaster the board with rubbish cartoons ( not even your own) and deliberate misinformation about the matter you purport to discuss.

 

Further, what experience do you have in the tourism or travel sector that you present yourself as an authority on it? You are a half balked dunce who cannot argue one point from premise to conclusion without being a racist, a pig or telling a lie. The point of tourism, regular or eco tourism have been a source  of discussion here for over a decade and the same impediments to us being ready to grow the industry remains.

 

A new airport, or hotel wont automatically bring in tourist. We have always had the beauty of our interior and many good eco tourist ventures have collapsed.  More people coming home to visit family this year than last does not mean we have mastered the art of managing a tourism sector. At minimum,m reduce the 135 murders a year and the gun violence and have some clean streets.

FM
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Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 
What makes you a doer? Caribj has an ivy league diploma on his wall, what do you have on yours?
 

 

Stormy:

 

I could care less where carib got his diploma--the fact is, like you, he is a TALKER, and like you he uses his few functioning brain cells to find fault, blame, complain, cendemn and criticize.

 

DOERS use their brain cells to put action on ideas---they follow their effort---they create---they produce---they don't TALK and make noise---like you Stormy---you are the quintessential TALKER---you are good at the 3C's---you love to complain, condemn, and criticize.

 

Rev

 

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by caribny:
 
Rev gives us details about how tourism is developing in Guyana. 
 


carib bai:

 

You are a good TALKER---talkers talk---they are masters of complaining, condeming and criticizing---that's you caribJ--- but when it comes to doing, taking action and producing---talkers are missing in action---they are the least productive members of society.

 

 

RE: TOURISM IN GUYANA

 

As of right now---2013, the tourism sector has attracted $GUY25 billion in investments from 14 local tourism investors---these local investors are the DOERS in Guyana---they are not TALKERS like you caribJ----they are DOERS.

 

The investments range from the establishments of resorts and expansion of hotels to the establishment of multi-complex entertainment centers.

 

 

RE: ARRIVALS GUYANA

 

In 2011--you had close to 150,000

 

In 2012 there were nearly 175,000 arrivals

 

Do the math caribJ---tell us what was the % increase in arrivals.

 

Listen carib--you are a diehard PNC man---you long for the days when Guyana was broke and bankrupt---that was under the PNC.

 

The Rev has some bad news for you caribJ---those days will not return to Guyana---the DOERS in the business sector will propel Guyana to greater heights---exciting times are ahead for Guyana---in all sectors---tourism, mining, agriculture, manufacturing, etc, etc

 

Rev

 


According to the PPP Ezjet brought in around 35k visitors and Redjet brought in around 23k.  Neither airline exists.  The increase in visitors came as a result of more travel by OVERSEAS Guyanese taking advantage of $400 fares from JFK.  These fares no longer exist.

 

What you have yet to prove is that the increase in visitors has ANY to do with the initiatives of the govt to stimulate the eco/adventure segment, and that this travel that does exist will be further stimulated by Marriott.

 

As to the rest of the economy.  Well rev high prices for rice and gold, no0t having ANYTHING to do with the PPP, have helped increase production in response.  Much of the increased investment in the retail and residential/construction sectors is in response to high inflows of remittances, which has increased the purchasing power of many GUyanese, in addition to the high rice and gold prices.

 

While the PPP should receive credit for increased investment in health acre and education, we have yet to see any systemic transformation of the economy which will allow it to weather a sharp decline in commodity prices, or a possible decline in remittances from overseas Guyanese, who are increasingly facing their own problems as they move towards retirement.

 

Of course one can also question whether more money spent on education and health care has resulted in BETTER quality care.  Guyana continues to be among the worst performers in the CXC and wealthy PPP supporters flee Guyana for anything other than getting treatment for a cold or a bruise.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 
Carib: According to the PPP Ezjet brought in around 35k visitors and Redjet brought in around 23k.  Neither airline exists.  The increase in visitors came as a result of more travel by OVERSEAS Guyanese taking advantage of $400 fares from JFK.  These fares no longer exist.
 
The fact remains visitors to Guyana increased from 150K in 2011 to 175K in 2012. Regarding the loss of REDJet and EZjet---efforts are being made to have West Jet, Air Canada and Jet Blue offer services to Guyana
 
 

 

carib: What you have yet to prove is that the increase in visitors has ANY to do with the initiatives of the govt to stimulate the eco/adventure segment, and that this travel that does exist will be further stimulated by Marriott.

 

I dont have to prove anything--the fact is arrivals to Guyana is on the increase--local tourism investors are confidently investing in Guyana---Guyana has added adventure and nature tourism to its tourism package--if 100 tourists went to Guyana in 2012 and 105 visit in 2013---that's an increase---and that's progress in my book.

 

 

carib: As to the rest of the economy.  Well rev high prices for rice and gold, no0t having ANYTHING to do with the PPP, have helped increase production in response.  Much of the increased investment in the retail and residential/construction sectors is in response to high inflows of remittances, which has increased the purchasing power of many GUyanese, in addition to the high rice and gold prices.

 

The Rev is 100% correct--it pains you carib to see Guyana progress under the PPP. You are now crediting increased price for rice, gold and remittances for the improved living standards under the PPP---you are right---I have no dispute with your observation---but the fact is living standards have increased under the PPP---and I dont care how---they have increased---that's all that matters.

 

Rev

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by caribny:
 
Carib: According to the PPP Ezjet brought in around 35k visitors and Redjet brought in around 23k.  Neither airline exists.  The increase in visitors came as a result of more travel by OVERSEAS Guyanese taking advantage of $400 fares from JFK.  These fares no longer exist.
 
The fact remains visitors to Guyana increased from 150K in 2011 to 175K in 2012. Regarding the loss of REDJet and EZjet---efforts are being made to have West Jet, Air Canada and Jet Blue offer services to Guyana
 
 

 

carib: What you have yet to prove is that the increase in visitors has ANY to do with the initiatives of the govt to stimulate the eco/adventure segment, and that this travel that does exist will be further stimulated by Marriott.

 

I dont have to prove anything--the fact is arrivals to Guyana is on the increase--local tourism investors are confidently investing in Guyana---Guyana has added adventure and nature tourism to its tourism package--if 100 tourists went to Guyana in 2012 and 105 visit in 2013---that's an increase---and that's progress in my book.

 

 

carib: As to the rest of the economy.  Well rev high prices for rice and gold, no0t having ANYTHING to do with the PPP, have helped increase production in response.  Much of the increased investment in the retail and residential/construction sectors is in response to high inflows of remittances, which has increased the purchasing power of many GUyanese, in addition to the high rice and gold prices.

 

The Rev is 100% correct--it pains you carib to see Guyana progress under the PPP. You are now crediting increased price for rice, gold and remittances for the improved living standards under the PPP---you are right---I have no dispute with your observation---but the fact is living standards have increased under the PPP---and I dont care how---they have increased---that's all that matters.

 

Rev

 

 

You are such a poathetic soul that you are giving the PPP credit for high commodity prices and high remittances.  In fact high remittances shows the FAILURE of the PPP.  Not only did those who left under PNC rule not bother to return, but many have left since 1992, many of them out of a need to earn an income to sustain their families who remain in Guyana...tghis being especially the case for the tens of thousands of Guyanese living in other parts of the Caribbean.

 

So why do you praise the PPP?  Do you also praise them when rain falls and when the sun rises?  Because they have no more control over prices and remittances than they do over these natural phenomenon.
Air Canada dropped Trinidad because they consider the yields too low, despite Royal having their Caribbean HQ there, which would generate business traffic.  Cross them out.

 

Jetblue does not have planes that can reliably reach GEO with a full compliment of baggage.  Unless Guyanese are prepared to travel with only some of their luggage, this is remote. 

 

 I recall that Universal had the same planes that Jetblue has, and they almost ran out of fuel.  Jetblue isnt going to be so irresponsible.

 

Whether Westjet thinks that there is enough YEAR ROUND traffic to run a nonstop Tor/GEO flight we will see.  Do not expect them to lose money.

 

Bottom line is nobody is going to offer the types of airfares that EZjet and Redjet offered.  As you can see the collapse of those airlines showed that they have a flawed business model.

 

If the Guyana govt thinks that an airline will offer cheap fares and lose money as a result, they are mad crazy.  The closest tothat model they will get is Caribbean Air as it gets a fuel subsidy from T&T, and if they are about to collapse, that govt will bail them out.  Indeed the reason why CAL  loves GEO is that generally they can charge more than Trinis will allow them to.

 

Local investors are NOT investing in tourism.  Those who did some time back lost their shirts, which is why those who are involved in Marriott are demanding full guarantees of their investment.  Bottom line is if Marriott doesnt work its the govt. NOT the private investors, who will stand the loss.

FM
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Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

CaribJ it is my observation that you expend a lot of energy trying to tell us that Guyana is worse off today than the days of the PNC. If one did not know better they would think that the country was the armpit of the Caribbean. However the progress is there for all to see. You are indeed the Baghdad Bob of GNI. 

It used to be the armpit of the Caribbean, now after Jags done with it, it is the armpit of the world.

cain
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

CaribJ it is my observation that you expend a lot of energy trying to tell us that Guyana is worse off today than the days of the PNC..


So it should be easy to point out which post of mine says this.

 

I await your response. 

Especially as you will fail in any attempt to prove that I have anything poistive to say about PNC rule.  Indeed baseman is upset with me when I say that Burnham did some serious damage to AfroGuyanese.

 

I am always amused by PPP racists like you who attempt to derail any discussion by an AfroGuyanese by claiming that he is a PNC fanatic who longs for the return of the Burnham dictatorship.

 

It might shock you but any fecal matter is bad for you, whether its from the PPP or the PNC.  You like to consume PPP feces.

FM
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

CaribJ it is my observation that you expend a lot of energy trying to tell us that Guyana is worse off today than the days of the PNC. If one did not know better they would think that the country was the armpit of the Caribbean. However the progress is there for all to see. You are indeed the Baghdad Bob of GNI. 

It used to be the armpit of the Caribbean, now after Jags done with it, it is the armpit of the world.


Druggie Guyanese swarmto little islands with troubled economies where the locals DESPISE them.  Those small island people will sooner eat cow feces, or sniff your smelly arm pit  than go live in Guyana.  Indeed most of them dont even wish to visit.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

Druggie Guyanese swarmto little islands with troubled economies where the locals DESPISE them.  Those small island people will sooner eat cow feces, or sniff your smelly arm pit  than go live in Guyana.  Indeed most of them dont even wish to visit.


carib:

 

Your palpable and unconcealed hatred for the PPP blinds you to the remarkable progress being made in Guyana today.

 

I won't be surprised to learn that you have not visited Guyana since your beloved PNC was thrown out of office.

 

My advice to you is don't ever visit Guyana---you'll be so shocked to see the remarkable economic progress under the PPP---you'll likely die of a massive cardiac.

 

Rev

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

Druggie Guyanese swarmto little islands with troubled economies where the locals DESPISE them.  Those small island people will sooner eat cow feces, or sniff your smelly arm pit  than go live in Guyana.  Indeed most of them dont even wish to visit.


carib:

 

Your palpable and unconcealed hatred for the PPP blinds you to the remarkable progress being made in Guyana today.

 

I won't be surprised to learn that you have not visited Guyana since your beloved PNC was thrown out of office.

 

My advice to you is don't ever visit Guyana---you'll be so shocked to see the remarkable economic progress under the PPP---you'll likely die of a massive cardiac.

 

Rev

 

 

 I do not doubt he detests the PPP or his reasons but he was never a PNCite except in your mind.

 

Progress is not defined as big houses by party members, cronies or drug lords  or by the abundance of produce in the markets. It is in the quality of lives of the general population being lifted up in the process because they share in the wealth and the expenditures are directly for their benefit. It means that corruption is low, people feel safe and that they are satisfied with their government. Most of the people reject the PPP. You should check the numbers since you are such a numbers man! 11 dollars to cross a bridge the that the people's money was the major investment and yet have it in the hands of political moochers is not progress. 40% of people living in poverty is not progress etc etc

 

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
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Progress is not defined as big houses by party members, cronies or drug lords  or by the abundance of produce in the markets. It is in the quality of lives of the general population being lifted up in the process because they share in the wealth and the expenditures are directly for their benefit.


Storm:

 

You're making some valid points! But like caribJ, you are also blinded by your hatred for the PP.

 

You want progress:

 

CHECK OUT GUYANA'S REAL GDP GROWTH SINCE 2006:

 

2006: 2.3%

2007: 7.0%

2008: 2.0%

2009: 3.3%

2010: 4.4%

2011: 4.2%

2012: 3.9%---est

 

That's progress stormy---NUMBERS DON'T LIE---except, of course, the Rev's American election political numbers.hahahahahaha

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

CaribJ it is my observation that you expend a lot of energy trying to tell us that Guyana is worse off today than the days of the PNC. If one did not know better they would think that the country was the armpit of the Caribbean. However the progress is there for all to see. You are indeed the Baghdad Bob of GNI. 

It used to be the armpit of the Caribbean, now after Jags done with it, it is the armpit of the world.

Yet you buy land there and invest, you must have confidence in the PPP despite all your rumblings. hahaha

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

Druggie Guyanese swarmto little islands with troubled economies where the locals DESPISE them.  Those small island people will sooner eat cow feces, or sniff your smelly arm pit  than go live in Guyana.  Indeed most of them dont even wish to visit.

In fact that trend has reversed as Guyanese swarm back home. If the Brazilians and Chinese see bountiful opportunity in Guyana then so should Guyanese. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

CaribJ it is my observation that you expend a lot of energy trying to tell us that Guyana is worse off today than the days of the PNC. If one did not know better they would think that the country was the armpit of the Caribbean. However the progress is there for all to see. You are indeed the Baghdad Bob of GNI. 

It used to be the armpit of the Caribbean, now after Jags done with it, it is the armpit of the world.

Yet you buy land there and invest, you must have confidence in the PPP despite all your rumblings. hahaha

Again you show your ignorance, where most speak off the top of their heads, you speak off the top of your ass. I do have property in Canada my adopted country but I have no property in Guyana.

Maybe after the AFC gets in or at the very least the thievin PPP/C have been placed behind bars and there's some semblance of decency, I just might.

cain

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