Keith posted:

Off to read my kids a book, have a pleasant night, not that I would be holding my breath but I hope you answer my one and only question you keep evading. 

Keep hoping.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

 

I don't care who you are, pro or whatever you call yourself. You will be check and put in place. You messed with the wrong post my friend. You brought the smoke and you have to stand the heat.

Now I am shaking in my boots. Nothing like a threat from a Christian.

No threat a promise that I can guarantee. 

Dude, you couldn't even demonstrate that you can read English.

Either your reading is lacking or your honesty is.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

 

I don't care who you are, pro or whatever you call yourself. You will be check and put in place. You messed with the wrong post my friend. You brought the smoke and you have to stand the heat.

Now I am shaking in my boots. Nothing like a threat from a Christian.

No threat a promise that I can guarantee. 

Dude, you couldn't even demonstrate that you can read English.

Either your reading is lacking or your honesty is.

I do know I understand english far better than you. So while you read I would interpret the language for you since there is a lack of understanding on your part.  

You are making a spectacle of yourself. 

God in Three Persons

Keith posted:

God in Three Persons

Matthew 28:18-20

Years ago, after I preached about God’s Spirit, a woman came up after church to complain, “Why do you talk about the Holy Spirit when people need to hear about Jesus and God?” Sometimes even those who have been Christians for a long time regard the Trinity as a hierarchy. To their way of thinking, the Father is God, Jesus is slightly beneath Him in rank and seniority, and the Holy Spirit is their servant. While this may conform to human models of authority, it isn’t biblical.

According to the Scriptures, all three members of the Trinity are fully God:

God the Father—Jesus Christ referred to His Father as God (John 5:17-18).

God the Son—John 1:1 identifies Jesus as divine. While Christ never specifically called Himself “God,” His Father did apply the title to Him (Heb. 1:8). Furthermore, Jesus acknowledged having unlimited power—an attribute possessed only by the divine Creator (Matthew 28:18)—and also accepted worship (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38).

God the Holy Spirit—After declaring that God raised Christ from the dead, the New Testament goes on to credit the Holy Spirit with the resurrection (Romans 8:11). Jesus reinforced that idea when He commanded the disciples to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Bible confirms that each member of the Trinity is equally God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit function as a unit—no one is more important or less essential than the others. All three are focused upon their plan for mankind: salvation, transformation, and glory for God.

-InTouch Ministries-

So you must believe in Hinduism too. If you don't, please don't give me the idol worship garbage to support your argument.

skeldon_man posted:

Keith posted:

God in Three Persons

Matthew 28:18-20

Years ago, after I preached about God’s Spirit, a woman came up after church to complain, “Why do you talk about the Holy Spirit when people need to hear about Jesus and God?” Sometimes even those who have been Christians for a long time regard the Trinity as a hierarchy. To their way of thinking, the Father is God, Jesus is slightly beneath Him in rank and seniority, and the Holy Spirit is their servant. While this may conform to human models of authority, it isn’t biblical.

According to the Scriptures, all three members of the Trinity are fully God:

God the Father—Jesus Christ referred to His Father as God (John 5:17-18).

God the Son—John 1:1 identifies Jesus as divine. While Christ never specifically called Himself “God,” His Father did apply the title to Him (Heb. 1:8). Furthermore, Jesus acknowledged having unlimited power—an attribute possessed only by the divine Creator (Matthew 28:18)—and also accepted worship (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38).

God the Holy Spirit—After declaring that God raised Christ from the dead, the New Testament goes on to credit the Holy Spirit with the resurrection (Romans 8:11). Jesus reinforced that idea when He commanded the disciples to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Bible confirms that each member of the Trinity is equally God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit function as a unit—no one is more important or less essential than the others. All three are focused upon their plan for mankind: salvation, transformation, and glory for God.

-InTouch Ministries-

So you must believe in Hinduism too. If you don't, please don't give me the idol worship garbage to support your argument.

Yet the hypocritical thing is Christians demean Hindus. They should heed that 'speck in eyes advice'.

Keith posted:

God in Three Persons

Matthew 28:18-20

Years ago, after I preached about God’s Spirit, a woman came up after church to complain, “Why do you talk about the Holy Spirit when people need to hear about Jesus and God?” Sometimes even those who have been Christians for a long time regard the Trinity as a hierarchy. To their way of thinking, the Father is God, Jesus is slightly beneath Him in rank and seniority, and the Holy Spirit is their servant. While this may conform to human models of authority, it isn’t biblical.

According to the Scriptures, all three members of the Trinity are fully God:

God the Father—Jesus Christ referred to His Father as God (John 5:17-18).

God the Son—John 1:1 identifies Jesus as divine. While Christ never specifically called Himself “God,” His Father did apply the title to Him (Heb. 1:8). Furthermore, Jesus acknowledged having unlimited power—an attribute possessed only by the divine Creator (Matthew 28:18)—and also accepted worship (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38).

God the Holy Spirit—After declaring that God raised Christ from the dead, the New Testament goes on to credit the Holy Spirit with the resurrection (Romans 8:11). Jesus reinforced that idea when He commanded the disciples to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Bible confirms that each member of the Trinity is equally God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit function as a unit—no one is more important or less essential than the others. All three are focused upon their plan for mankind: salvation, transformation, and glory for God.

-InTouch Ministries-

Regarding the last paragraph above, Jesus himself said that "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all". Either he was lying or the paragraph above is.

Yet you think you can read and comprehend.

Reading and comprehending is not what you do brother Keith. What you really do is follow blindly like cattle. The Jews were smart people. They had no patience for Jesus' nonsense, antics and shenanigans and that is why they opposed him. They were not time wasters like he was just goofing off with his compadres.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

God in Three Persons

Matthew 28:18-20

Years ago, after I preached about God’s Spirit, a woman came up after church to complain, “Why do you talk about the Holy Spirit when people need to hear about Jesus and God?” Sometimes even those who have been Christians for a long time regard the Trinity as a hierarchy. To their way of thinking, the Father is God, Jesus is slightly beneath Him in rank and seniority, and the Holy Spirit is their servant. While this may conform to human models of authority, it isn’t biblical.

According to the Scriptures, all three members of the Trinity are fully God:

God the Father—Jesus Christ referred to His Father as God (John 5:17-18).

God the Son—John 1:1 identifies Jesus as divine. While Christ never specifically called Himself “God,” His Father did apply the title to Him (Heb. 1:8). Furthermore, Jesus acknowledged having unlimited power—an attribute possessed only by the divine Creator (Matthew 28:18)—and also accepted worship (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38).

God the Holy Spirit—After declaring that God raised Christ from the dead, the New Testament goes on to credit the Holy Spirit with the resurrection (Romans 8:11). Jesus reinforced that idea when He commanded the disciples to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


Hm, let see, oh here is the last Paragraph ksazma is referring too:
The Bible confirms that each member of the Trinity is equally God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit function as a unit—no one is more important or less essential than the others. All three are focused upon their plan for mankind: salvation, transformation, and glory for God.

-InTouch Ministries-

Regarding the last paragraph above, Jesus himself said that "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all". Either he was lying or the paragraph above is.

Yet you think you can read and comprehend.

Here is why I said you (ksazma) are making a spectacle of yourself. As pointed out above in RED, I took the liberty of marking where the last paragraph is so we can clearly see, it either you who is lying. I failed to see what you are mentioning here ksazma, is it just me or someone else sees what he is talking about here in the last paragraph. ksazma you are proving everyday how incompetent you are.  

I would also like ksazma to point out where, as he quoted, "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all" is located in the post above and where in the bible he can find it and present it to us in plain view.

Folks I can guarantee you that we will have a case of misquoting and the ability of comprehending by ksazma.

Keith, do you understand what 'greater' means? Maybe that word means something different in the Bible than everywhere else? Guess you didn't expect to encounter someone who knows so much about the Bible. You didn't expect to run into a buzz saw.

The Bible states that no one can see God's face and live. In other words if you see God you will die. So just so Moses wouldn't die when he wanted to see God, turned so all Moses saw was God's backside. Think of that for a moment. If Jesus was God, how come they didn't die like how God went to great lengths to ensure that Moses only saw his backside.

Like Jesus said when the man addressed him as Good, he told him don't call me good because the only one good is God.

ksazma posted:

Keith, do you understand what 'greater' means? Maybe that word means something different in the Bible than everywhere else? Guess you didn't expect to encounter someone who knows so much about the Bible. You didn't expect to run into a buzz saw.

Do you know what a last paragraph is? Certainly not

I asked that you point out where, as you quoted, "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all" is located in the bible and present it to us in plain view.

Yet you failed again to present your supportive argument. Just stop, you are looking foolish by the minute.

ksazma posted:

The Bible states that no one can see God's face and live. In other words if you see God you will die. So just so Moses wouldn't die when he wanted to see God, turned so all Moses saw was God's backside. Think of that for a moment. If Jesus was God, how come they didn't die like how God went to great lengths to ensure that Moses only saw his backside.

Like Jesus said when the man addressed him as Good, he told him don't call me good because the only one good is God.

I'll allow you to drown in your foolishness. Your incompetence is unbearable.

You really think too much of yourself Keith. I don't need you to allow me to do anything. You speak very pompously yet you base all your positions on blind faith instead of logic.

ksazma posted:

You really think too much of yourself Keith. I don't need you to allow me to do anything. You speak very pompously yet you base all your positions on blind faith instead of logic.

What happen?  I asked that you point out where, as you quoted, "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all" is located in the bible. Did it get lost in translation?

You are a joke.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

You really think too much of yourself Keith. I don't need you to allow me to do anything. You speak very pompously yet you base all your positions on blind faith instead of logic.

What happen?  I asked that you point out where, as you quoted, "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all" is located in the bible. Did it get lost in translation?

You are a joke.

So you can't find it yourself? And then what after I post it? You people need to read your Bible rather than just read what your preachers write or say.

Now go read John 14:27-31. KJV.

ksazma posted:

Now go read John 14:27-31. KJV.

Thanks for posting it now if I can get you to do this simple thing. Where is the contradiction you speak about that I am yet to see.
You see that was not hard to post.

Do you understand John 14:27-31?

Question: "If Jesus was God, why did He say "The Father is greater than I" in John 14:28?"

The phrase "the Father is greater than I" (John 14:28) was spoken by Jesus. Jesus says repeatedly that He is doing the Father’s will, thereby implying that He is somehow subservient to the Father. The question then becomes how can Jesus be equal to God when by His own admission He is subservient to the will of God? The answer to this question lies within the nature of the incarnation (born of a virgin, you know the story). During the incarnation, Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" you will find that in Hebrews 2:9, which refers to Jesus’ status.

Therefore, the fact that the Son took on a human nature and made Himself subservient to the Father in no way denies the deity of the Son, nor does it diminish His essential equality with the Father. The "greatness" spoken of in this verse, then, relates to role, not to essence.

I will stop here before you mind blow ksazma. I don't what to get too lengthy as you put it. It's a discussion not a sermon.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

You really think too much of yourself Keith. I don't need you to allow me to do anything. You speak very pompously yet you base all your positions on blind faith instead of logic.

What happen?  I asked that you point out where, as you quoted, "My father is greater than I. My father is greater than all" is located in the bible. Did it get lost in translation?

You are a joke.

So you can't find it yourself? And then what after I post it? You people need to read your Bible rather than just read what your preachers write or say.

You need to do exactly what you suggesting me to do which I do on a daily basis, READ the Bible.

For your clarification I did not provide John because you asked me to. I did so because I chose to. I do only what I wish. That said, your explanation of John 14:28 is senseless. 

ksazma posted:

For your clarification I did not provide John because you asked me to. I did so because I chose to. I do only what I wish. That said, your explanation of John 14:28 is senseless. 

Whatever you say, I commend your effort

I didn't expect anything else other than for you to disagree with my statement, it's your moto to always show disappointment even if truth/facts slaps you in the face. 

Could you go the extra mile and tell me how long it take God to create heaven and earth according to the Quran? I need to know if you been reading that book as you should. 

So "during the incarnation, Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" and up to John 14 which was near his end he still claiming that his father is greater than he. So when was he and his father equal. Like I said, either Jesus was lying or you are (you being Christians).

Seeing Christ in Our Circumstances

ksazma posted:

So "during the incarnation, Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" and up to John 14 which was near his end he still claiming that his father is greater than he. So when was he and his father equal. Like I said, either Jesus was lying or you are (you being Christians).

Keep reading until you reach the end of revelations

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

So "during the incarnation, Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" and up to John 14 which was near his end he still claiming that his father is greater than he. So when was he and his father equal. Like I said, either Jesus was lying or you are (you being Christians).

Keep reading until you reach the end of revelations

Not able to recognize rhetorical questions eh?

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

So "during the incarnation, Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" and up to John 14 which was near his end he still claiming that his father is greater than he. So when was he and his father equal. Like I said, either Jesus was lying or you are (you being Christians).

Keep reading until you reach the end of revelations

Not able to recognize rhetorical questions eh?

Your inept of comprehending/recollect is shameful. Once again, I am not address your questions.

I am waiting  to hear how long it take God to create heaven and earth according to the Quran? Answer that and then we can continue to a discussion. What's holding you up from answering it?

Keep fooling yourself dude. Also be careful what you wish for.

ksazma posted:

 

Keep fooling yourself dude. Also be careful what you wish for.

Do you want us to continue having a discussion or not? If yes just answer my question, it's that simple.

How long it take God to create heaven and earth according to the Quran? just provide your answer and stop 'beating around the bush' per say.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

 

Keep fooling yourself dude. Also be careful what you wish for.

Do you want us to continue having a discussion or not? If yes just answer my question, it's that simple.

How long it take God to create heaven and earth according to the Quran? just provide your answer and stop 'beating around the bush' per say.

I have told you before that the only thing I intend to do is respond to what you post about the Bible. I didn't start anything about any other book or faiths and I don't intend to. You came here preaching your stuff and while nothing is wrong with that, once you acted like only what you preach is of value, you opened yourself to objections. I am not foolish to start pontificating anything because in doing so I would be forced by nature to elevate my pontification above others. You may be comfortable with that attitude but I don't care to be. So keep fooling yourself.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

 

Keep fooling yourself dude. Also be careful what you wish for.

Do you want us to continue having a discussion or not? If yes just answer my question, it's that simple.

How long it take God to create heaven and earth according to the Quran? just provide your answer and stop 'beating around the bush' per say.

I have told you before that the only thing I intend to do is respond to what you post about the Bible. I didn't start anything about any other book or faiths and I don't intend to. You came here preaching your stuff and while nothing is wrong with that, once you acted like only what you preach is of value, you opened yourself to objections. I am not foolish to start pontificating anything because in doing so I would be forced by nature to elevate my pontification above others. You may be comfortable with that attitude but I don't care to be. So keep fooling yourself.

You made some false statements, such as contradiction, I corrected your false notions. Now since you failed to take the speck out of your own eyes before trying to discredit the Bible. I am simply asking you a question and you running from giving us(being the viewers) an answer. 

Keith posted:

You made some false statements, such as contradiction, I corrected your false notions. Now since you failed to take the speck out of your own eyes before trying to discredit the Bible. I am simply asking you a question and you running from giving us(being the viewers) an answer. 

I didn't make any false statements. Was there any passage that I post and claimed was from the Bible NOT from the Bible? Do you understand what false mean?

Learning Contentment

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

You made some false statements, such as contradiction, I corrected your false notions. Now since you failed to take the speck out of your own eyes before trying to discredit the Bible. I am simply asking you a question and you running from giving us(being the viewers) an answer. 

I didn't make any false statements. Was there any passage that I post and claimed was from the Bible NOT from the Bible? Do you understand what false mean?

Certainly not but you made false statement in reference to Paul and Jesus there are a few others, just go back and read your past post you will see the clear definition of false statement my brother.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

You made some false statements, such as contradiction, I corrected your false notions. Now since you failed to take the speck out of your own eyes before trying to discredit the Bible. I am simply asking you a question and you running from giving us(being the viewers) an answer. 

I didn't make any false statements. Was there any passage that I post and claimed was from the Bible NOT from the Bible? Do you understand what false mean?

Certainly not but you made false statement in reference to Paul and Jesus there are a few others, just go back and read your past post you will see the clear definition of false statement my brother.

That is not called false statements my friend. That is my conclusion of who they are. We are all free to have our own conclusions. You have yours and all I did was presented an varying one. I am not telling you to change yours at all. We are all entitled to our opinions.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

You made some false statements, such as contradiction, I corrected your false notions. Now since you failed to take the speck out of your own eyes before trying to discredit the Bible. I am simply asking you a question and you running from giving us(being the viewers) an answer. 

I didn't make any false statements. Was there any passage that I post and claimed was from the Bible NOT from the Bible? Do you understand what false mean?

Certainly not but you made false statement in reference to Paul and Jesus there are a few others, just go back and read your past post you will see the clear definition of false statement my brother.

That is not called false statements my friend. That is my conclusion of who they are. We are all free to have our own conclusions. You have yours and all I did was presented an varying one. I am not telling you to change yours at all. We are all entitled to our opinions.

Ksaz, like I told Keith, the bible has deeper meaning than what Christians believe. These dudes like zombies swallow the writings like hook, line and sinker. They read but do not analyze and comprehend. That's the reason the followers are so shallow. Bible colleges are the easiest to obtain a diploma. All they need to do is to recite the passages word for word.

skeldon_man posted:

 

Ksaz, like I told Keith, the bible has deeper meaning than what Christians believe. These dudes like zombies swallow the writings like hook, line and sinker. They read but do not analyze and comprehend. That's the reason the followers are so shallow. Bible colleges are the easiest to obtain a diploma. All they need to do is to recite the passages word for word.

Skelly, it is just interested that they are always criticizing other peoples' beliefs when there is nothing so special or better about theirs. My sole objective was to demonstrate that to Keith.

ksazma posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Ksaz, like I told Keith, the bible has deeper meaning than what Christians believe. These dudes like zombies swallow the writings like hook, line and sinker. They read but do not analyze and comprehend. That's the reason the followers are so shallow. Bible colleges are the easiest to obtain a diploma. All they need to do is to recite the passages word for word.

Skelly, it is just interested that they are always criticizing other peoples' beliefs when there is nothing so special or better about theirs. My sole objective was to demonstrate that to Keith.

You are such a hypocrite. Before you open your mouth or put your hands on a keyboard to type check yourself brother. Again you failed to take that speck out of your own eyes and now you throwing stones at a glass building. I need you to find where I, I'm not talking about other people, criticized your belief. When you finish count the number of criticisms I've been attack here with due to my belief.

As for your apprentice no need to respond to that misguided fellow, his own folly will drown him.

Let's watch "Finding Jesus" on Fake News Channel(CNN) on March 5th. We should be able to accept the truth and the dissenting commentaries. Hope we keep an open mind. I think(maybe) I have seen this on America Heroes Channel before. I'll still watch it again.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Ksaz, like I told Keith, the bible has deeper meaning than what Christians believe. These dudes like zombies swallow the writings like hook, line and sinker. They read but do not analyze and comprehend. That's the reason the followers are so shallow. Bible colleges are the easiest to obtain a diploma. All they need to do is to recite the passages word for word.

Skelly, it is just interested that they are always criticizing other peoples' beliefs when there is nothing so special or better about theirs. My sole objective was to demonstrate that to Keith.

You are such a hypocrite. Before you open your mouth or put your hands on a keyboard to type check yourself brother. Again you failed to take that speck out of your own eyes and now you throwing stones at a glass building. I need you to find where I, I'm not talking about other people, criticized your belief. When you finish count the number of criticisms I've been attack here with due to my belief.

As for your apprentice no need to respond to that misguided fellow, his own folly will drown him.

Lets see where I entered this topic. You began it on October 16th 2016 and it was not until your post on December 15, 2016, that I offered my opinion on THAT post. Two months of uninterrupted activity on any message board is a lifetime. Below in my post from that day. Your post crossed the line from Christian belief to global reprimand of anyone who does not accept Jesus the way you did. My response was to show why I don't care to see Jesus as you do and I proceeded to highlight his record from the Bible to support my argument. There is not one reference that I made from the Bible that you can say I manufactured. You may disagree with my conclusions but you cannot say that I said the Bible state something that it didn't.

Secondly, why are you asking about if you ever criticized any other person's belief? Are you hoping to by asking me about the Qur'an? I prefer to keep this on the topic you chose instead of expanding it to other topics. If I begin a topic to pontificate about the Qur'an for instance, you would be more than welcome to make your objections. I haven't done so nor do I care to at this time but you can still hope that I do some day.

And there you go again calling Skelly a misguided person who will drown in his own folly. And how do you know that he isn't the guided one and the rest of us including you and I aren't the misguided ones? See how easy it is for you to fall into that ditch you think is for someone else?

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Suppose that all of this is just make believe? Suppose that what people say of Jesus and what he actually was are two completely different realities? No doubt believers of Jesus will point to what others wrote of Jesus to support their belief. However, if one realistically take the very limited events, words and actions of Jesus as documented in the New Testament free from blind faith, one will come to a different conclusion.

To begin with, Jesus was no king. He was born to an unmarried woman in a barn and does not even know his father. He grew up in the working class with barely any measurable accomplishments. He hanged out with a bunch of other guys who made him feel important but he was not even acknowledged as a leader of the church and had no meaningful role in the church of his peers.

But that was not all. He was also rude, obnoxious and prejudiced as shown in the manner of how he referred to people who were not Jewish of or his inner circle. Names like dogs, pigs, swine, wicked and adulterous people to name a few. He constantly whined about the comforts that others had while he had nothing of his own. If you weren't Jewish, you were not worthy of his acknowledgement. He was even rude and disrespectful to his own mother who bore him through pregnancy and childbirth regardless of her getting pregnant and not disclosing who got her pregnant.

Now this all may sound harsh but they will make sense once one is willing and able to remove the blinders of faith for no matter how much lipstick one put on a pig, it is still a pig. And if Jesus had no problem calling others pigs, none should be concerned that I use the pig reference here.

I asked a simple question and what I got a display of your incompetence to answer. Where did I discredited/critized your beliefs?

I did asked a question about the Quran, hm I don't see that as a criticism but since you raised that issue then again I ask:

"How many days did it take God to create the heaven and earth according to the Quran, the book you ksazma believe in"? 

I awate your answer, not surprising you will come up with excuse about being careful for what you ask for. Just answer the question. Don't you want to see if my response would be critical or not?