The trouble brother Keith is if I were to post passages before and after the ones I want to discuss they will contradict each other. Is that really what you want to do?

Keith posted:

The Truth About the Trinity

John 14:26-27

The word Trinity cannot be found in the Bible, but the truth of it can. While there’s only one God, the Godhead consists of three distinct persons—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All are equally omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal, and unchanging, but each is unique in function.

 

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are equal in their divine attributes. Yet each one relates to mankind in a different way because He has a specific role in our life. It’s very important to understand this distinction: We do not have three gods; we have one God in three persons functioning uniquely and perfectly.

In what language does this make sense?

You will not find anyone saying that three UNIQUE things are really ONE thing.

skeldon_man posted:

Keith posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Keith, I am a little confused. Is Jesus the son of god or god? My wife who is a Christian told me he is god. Which one is true? I know he cannot be both.

Answer: The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, "I am God." That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, "I and the Father are one." We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: "You, a mere man, claim to be God" (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming deity. When Jesus declared, "I and the Father are one," He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth before Abraham was born, I am!" Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: "The Word (Jesus) was God" and "the Word became flesh" (John 1:1, 14).....boy they going to be questions on this statement , anyway, as I was saying, these verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, "Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood." Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, "But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’" The Father refers to Jesus as "O God," indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God that's in Revelation 19:10. Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

I hope this help explain what your wife was trying too.

Good Morning Brother Keith. Does this mean God lost faith in himself while he was on the cross? When Jesus died and was buried, on the third day he was ascended into heaven. So did god die then? What happened to the two days when he was dead? Who took care of all the living things in the world for the two days? Why did god suffer before he died?

Instead of asking me read the Bible for yourself and you will get the revelation as to what happen and whether God die as you put it.

ksazma posted:

The trouble brother Keith is if I were to post passages before and after the ones I want to discuss they will contradict each other. Is that really what you want to do?

Here we go about contradiction again, you're funny. How long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth according that book you believe in? Could you site your verses from it that way we know where to find it. Thanks.

Stop dodging the question and answer it. It's that simple. Just one question, that's all.

ksazma all along you have refuse to accept my explanations for things because it doesn't fit your agenda nor your preconceived ideas of what you think Christianity is.

Well, enlighten us about your belief tell us how long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth according that book you believe in?

ksazma posted:

The trouble brother Keith is if I were to post passages before and after the ones I want to discuss they will contradict each other. Is that really what you want to do?

Why not post it then and point out the contradiction instead of talking about it, you are all talk and no action. Lets have it post and while you at it take action on the following for us.

How long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth according that book you believe in?

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

The trouble brother Keith is if I were to post passages before and after the ones I want to discuss they will contradict each other. Is that really what you want to do?

Here we go about contradiction again, you're funny. How long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth according that book you believe in? Could you site your verses from it that way we know where to find it. Thanks.

Stop dodging the question and answer it. It's that simple. Just one question, that's all.

I am not dodging anything dude. I am competent enough if I want to. However, I didn't care to have a sermon on GNI and I don't intend to now. My sole objective is to point out the weakness in your 'truths'.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

The trouble brother Keith is if I were to post passages before and after the ones I want to discuss they will contradict each other. Is that really what you want to do?

Here we go about contradiction again, you're funny. How long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth according that book you believe in? Could you site your verses from it that way we know where to find it. Thanks.

Stop dodging the question and answer it. It's that simple. Just one question, that's all.

I am not dodging anything dude. I am competent enough if I want to. However, I didn't care to have a sermon on GNI and I don't intend to now. My sole objective is to point out the weakness in your 'truths'.

Just answer the question then. How long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth according that book you believe in? It's that simple. Just one question, that's all.

Keith posted:

ksazma all along you have refuse to accept my explanations for things because it doesn't fit your agenda nor your preconceived ideas of what you think Christianity is.

Well, enlighten us about your belief tell us how long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth according that book you believe in?

Actually I don't have any problems with what you believe. That is your right. I involve myself only when you claim that what you preach is absolutely truths because that effectively excludes everyone.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma all along you have refuse to accept my explanations for things because it doesn't fit your agenda nor your preconceived ideas of what you think Christianity is.

Well, enlighten us about your belief tell us how long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth according that book you believe in?

Actually I don't have any problems with what you believe. That is your right. I involve myself only when you claim that what you preach is absolutely truths because that effectively excludes everyone.

Just answer the question then. How long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth according that book you believe in? It's that simple. Just one question, that's all.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

 

ksazma, that book you read, how long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth? Could you site your verses from it that way we know where to find it. Thanks.

Did someone advise you to ask this. Be careful what you wish for. You have no idea how shaky that six day creation idea is.

Don't need an advisor, just answer my question. How long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth according that book you believe in? It's that simple.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

The trouble brother Keith is if I were to post passages before and after the ones I want to discuss they will contradict each other. Is that really what you want to do?

Here we go about contradiction again, you're funny. How long it say it take God to create the heavens and earth according that book you believe in? Could you site your verses from it that way we know where to find it. Thanks.

Stop dodging the question and answer it. It's that simple. Just one question, that's all.

I am not dodging anything dude. I am competent enough if I want to. However, I didn't care to have a sermon on GNI and I don't intend to now. My sole objective is to point out the weakness in your 'truths'.

We don't need to have a sermon just a simple discussion and I promise, it will take me less than a hundred words to respond or even less. I am a man of my words.

By the way, have you found your contradiction yet?

Keith posted:
"Why don't you post the entire chapters here? Don't even go that far post three verses before and three verses after Jesus made that statement. Post it for us to read."

Given that you choose to ignore all the ones I already posted Keith, why would I take you seriously. I only intend to point out matters from your postings that don't make sense. According to the Watchtower folks, there are more than 20,000 mistakes in the Bible. There are hundreds of contradictions also. I just posted about four and you choose to deny them. Yet you boastfully ask for others when you have failed to acknowledge those.

I was never interested in your explanations. Everyone's explanation would be different based on their understanding, exposure and inclinations. I was only interested in an honest acknowledgment of the actual words in the text. In my opinion that should have been very easy since the words are in black and white and in English. Unfortunately that simple honest response seen too much a challenge for you.

Keep your preaching for when you are in church. Expect differing positions when you are on social media.

Jesus said that "my father is greater than all". How can Jesus or even the Holy Spirit be equal to God in light of Jesus' comment here? You still don't see that as a contradiction? How many more should I post when you are intent on denying the written words?

ksazma posted:

Given that you choose to ignore all the ones I already posted Keith, why would I take you seriously. I only intend to point out matters from your postings that don't make sense. According to the Watchtower folks, there are more than 20,000 mistakes in the Bible. There are hundreds of contradictions also. I just posted about four and you choose to deny them. Yet you boastfully ask for others when you have failed to acknowledge those.

What I want you to do besides answering my question you keep evading is to post the contradiction you failed to present so far. 

You have this agenda to discredit the Bible but you failed. You have chosen the wrong post to jump on my friend.

You are showing your incompetences everyday. Come on be a man and answer the my question.

ksazma posted:

Given that you choose to ignore all the ones I already posted Keith, why would I take you seriously. I only intend to point out matters from your postings that don't make sense. According to the Watchtower folks, there are more than 20,000 mistakes in the Bible. There are hundreds of contradictions also. I just posted about four and you choose to deny them. Yet you boastfully ask for others when you have failed to acknowledge those.

Funny you have some nerve to talk about ignoring questions, you are such a hypocrite. You questions are being ignore because you failed to answer my question and why should I keep answering questions that were already answered go and reread all the post in relation to the five questions you asked.

Are you still going to run away from my question?

I'll make this plain again. I am not answering your questions until you answer my questions. In case you forgot here it is again.

How long did it take God to create to heaven and earth according to your belief in the holy book.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Given that you choose to ignore all the ones I already posted Keith, why would I take you seriously. I only intend to point out matters from your postings that don't make sense. According to the Watchtower folks, there are more than 20,000 mistakes in the Bible. There are hundreds of contradictions also. I just posted about four and you choose to deny them. Yet you boastfully ask for others when you have failed to acknowledge those.

What I want you to do besides answering my question you keep evading is to post the contradiction you failed to present so far. 

I haven't failed to present anything dude. I can post hundreds of contradictions right now but I don't care to cut and paste large passages like you do. I ask a short question and don't care to read a two page response that doesn't answer the question. But if it brings you comfort to believe that I am evading something go right ahead.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Given that you choose to ignore all the ones I already posted Keith, why would I take you seriously. I only intend to point out matters from your postings that don't make sense. According to the Watchtower folks, there are more than 20,000 mistakes in the Bible. There are hundreds of contradictions also. I just posted about four and you choose to deny them. Yet you boastfully ask for others when you have failed to acknowledge those.

What I want you to do besides answering my question you keep evading is to post the contradiction you failed to present so far. 

I haven't failed to present anything dude. I can post hundreds of contradictions right now but I don't care to cut and paste large passages like you do. I ask a short question and don't care to read a two page response that doesn't answer the question. But if it brings you comfort to believe that I am evading something go right ahead.

Let's start with the most recent contradiction you brag about in previous post and while you at it don't forget to answer my question.

ksazma are you going to answer my question? Yes/No? 

For the record choosing NO or choosing to EVADE my question will not get you an answer to any of your questions.

Is that clear enough for you ksazma, stop being an hypocrite and answer the question.

Keith posted:

You have this agenda to discredit the Bible but you failed. You have chosen the wrong post to jump on my friend.

You are showing your incompetences everyday. Come on be a man and answer the my question.

Only in your mind do you believe that I have failed. I have shown that the God of the Bible or its writers are confused. I have shown that Jesus is not really gentle but is actually a bigoted and ill mannered person who calls people names like dogs, pigs, pricks, swing, etc. I have shown that even little kids are more knowledgeable than Jesus and he himself confessed that he of his own can do NOTHING. I have shown that Jesus has no Godly qualities. If it makes you feel better of yourself by thinking that I am showing my incompetence then go right away. Notice how I use my own words in my argument while you rely on someone else's work? And lastly. I never had any intention to do any pontifications here so why do you think I would relent to your cravings. You are not that special to me and if I were to start there you would find yourself at a bigger disadvantage. Until you are able to express things in your own words, you are not in a position to tell another person that they are incompetent.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Given that you choose to ignore all the ones I already posted Keith, why would I take you seriously. I only intend to point out matters from your postings that don't make sense. According to the Watchtower folks, there are more than 20,000 mistakes in the Bible. There are hundreds of contradictions also. I just posted about four and you choose to deny them. Yet you boastfully ask for others when you have failed to acknowledge those.

Funny you have some nerve to talk about ignoring questions, you are such a hypocrite. You questions are being ignore because you failed to answer my question and why should I keep answering questions that were already answered go and reread all the post in relation to the five questions you asked.

Are you still going to run away from my question?

I'll make this plain again. I am not answering your questions until you answer my questions. In case you forgot here it is again.

How long did it take God to create to heaven and earth according to your belief in the holy book.

So now I am a hypocrite. Your Christian values are beginning to get clearer. How can I be a hypocrite for refusing to answer a question when I clearly told you that I don't intend to change the subject of your topic?

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

You have this agenda to discredit the Bible but you failed. You have chosen the wrong post to jump on my friend.

You are showing your incompetences everyday. Come on be a man and answer the my question.

Only in your mind do you believe that I have failed. I have shown that the God of the Bible or its writers are confused. I have shown that Jesus is not really gentle but is actually a bigoted and ill mannered person who calls people names like dogs, pigs, pricks, swing, etc. I have shown that even little kids are more knowledgeable than Jesus and he himself confessed that he of his own can do NOTHING. I have shown that Jesus has no Godly qualities. If it makes you feel better of yourself by thinking that I am showing my incompetence then go right away. Notice how I use my own words in my argument while you rely on someone else's work? And lastly. I never had any intention to do any pontifications here so why do you think I would relent to your cravings. You are not that special to me and if I were to start there you would find yourself at a bigger disadvantage. Until you are able to express things in your own words, you are not in a position to tell another person that they are incompetent.

And I have shown how incompetent and evasive you are. You just cannot answer a simple question. 

Keith posted:

ksazma are you going to answer my question? Yes/No? 

For the record choosing NO or choosing to EVADE my question will not get you an answer to any of your questions.

Is that clear enough for you ksazma, stop being an hypocrite and answer the question.

Dude, I don't care for you to answer any of my observations. I make them in response to things that you post as in you posting that the three are separate but the same. Your response doesn't change the merit of my observation. Because of all the inconsistencies in the Bible, almost every argument can be competently opposed so me doing so is not a terrible strain on my resources. Don't for one moment think that I would be affected if you don't respond to them.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

You have this agenda to discredit the Bible but you failed. You have chosen the wrong post to jump on my friend.

You are showing your incompetences everyday. Come on be a man and answer the my question.

Only in your mind do you believe that I have failed. I have shown that the God of the Bible or its writers are confused. I have shown that Jesus is not really gentle but is actually a bigoted and ill mannered person who calls people names like dogs, pigs, pricks, swing, etc. I have shown that even little kids are more knowledgeable than Jesus and he himself confessed that he of his own can do NOTHING. I have shown that Jesus has no Godly qualities. If it makes you feel better of yourself by thinking that I am showing my incompetence then go right away. Notice how I use my own words in my argument while you rely on someone else's work? And lastly. I never had any intention to do any pontifications here so why do you think I would relent to your cravings. You are not that special to me and if I were to start there you would find yourself at a bigger disadvantage. Until you are able to express things in your own words, you are not in a position to tell another person that they are incompetent.

And I have shown how incompetent and evasive you are. You just cannot answer a simple question. 

Only in your mind you would think that you have done anything. I have told you before that you are not dealing with a rookie.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Given that you choose to ignore all the ones I already posted Keith, why would I take you seriously. I only intend to point out matters from your postings that don't make sense. According to the Watchtower folks, there are more than 20,000 mistakes in the Bible. There are hundreds of contradictions also. I just posted about four and you choose to deny them. Yet you boastfully ask for others when you have failed to acknowledge those.

Funny you have some nerve to talk about ignoring questions, you are such a hypocrite. You questions are being ignore because you failed to answer my question and why should I keep answering questions that were already answered go and reread all the post in relation to the five questions you asked.

Are you still going to run away from my question?

I'll make this plain again. I am not answering your questions until you answer my questions. In case you forgot here it is again.

How long did it take God to create to heaven and earth according to your belief in the holy book.

So now I am a hypocrite. Your Christian values are beginning to get clearer. How can I be a hypocrite for refusing to answer a question when I clearly told you that I don't intend to change the subject of your topic?

You speak about I ignoring questions and yet here you are doing the same. See why I called you an hypocrite   Don't take it personally.

Think for a moment. Do you think you possess the self control that I have where no one can make me do anything I don't want to do? How many time have you said, answer the question? Lost count? I don't dance to other peoples' music dude.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

You have this agenda to discredit the Bible but you failed. You have chosen the wrong post to jump on my friend.

You are showing your incompetences everyday. Come on be a man and answer the my question.

Only in your mind do you believe that I have failed. I have shown that the God of the Bible or its writers are confused. I have shown that Jesus is not really gentle but is actually a bigoted and ill mannered person who calls people names like dogs, pigs, pricks, swing, etc. I have shown that even little kids are more knowledgeable than Jesus and he himself confessed that he of his own can do NOTHING. I have shown that Jesus has no Godly qualities. If it makes you feel better of yourself by thinking that I am showing my incompetence then go right away. Notice how I use my own words in my argument while you rely on someone else's work? And lastly. I never had any intention to do any pontifications here so why do you think I would relent to your cravings. You are not that special to me and if I were to start there you would find yourself at a bigger disadvantage. Until you are able to express things in your own words, you are not in a position to tell another person that they are incompetent.

And I have shown how incompetent and evasive you are. You just cannot answer a simple question. 

Only in your mind you would think that you have done anything. I have told you before that you are not dealing with a rookie.

I don't care who you are, pro or whatever you call yourself. You will be check and put in place. You messed with the wrong post my friend. You brought the smoke and you have to stand the heat.

ksazma posted:

Think for a moment. Do you think you possess the self control that I have where no one can make me do anything I don't want to do? How many time have you said, answer the question? Lost count? I don't dance to other peoples' music dude.

At least you get my message. 

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Given that you choose to ignore all the ones I already posted Keith, why would I take you seriously. I only intend to point out matters from your postings that don't make sense. According to the Watchtower folks, there are more than 20,000 mistakes in the Bible. There are hundreds of contradictions also. I just posted about four and you choose to deny them. Yet you boastfully ask for others when you have failed to acknowledge those.

Funny you have some nerve to talk about ignoring questions, you are such a hypocrite. You questions are being ignore because you failed to answer my question and why should I keep answering questions that were already answered go and reread all the post in relation to the five questions you asked.

Are you still going to run away from my question?

I'll make this plain again. I am not answering your questions until you answer my questions. In case you forgot here it is again.

How long did it take God to create to heaven and earth according to your belief in the holy book.

So now I am a hypocrite. Your Christian values are beginning to get clearer. How can I be a hypocrite for refusing to answer a question when I clearly told you that I don't intend to change the subject of your topic?

You speak about I ignoring question and here you are doing the same. You now see why I called you an hypocrite ��

I didn't say that you ignore questions. I said that you give what you think the words mean instead of acknowledge what the words say. I don't care about what you believe. It is your right to believe what you choose to believe. I wanted to know from you if the words said what I stated they said. There are only two possible answers. One being that those words are not in the Bible and the other being, yes, Jesus said them. What you believe they mean and what I believe they mean are up to us. By not acknowledging that the words are there is quite interesting.

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Think for a moment. Do you think you possess the self control that I have where no one can make me do anything I don't want to do? How many time have you said, answer the question? Lost count? I don't dance to other peoples' music dude.

At least you get my message. 

This is laughable.

Keith posted:

 

I don't care who you are, pro or whatever you call yourself. You will be check and put in place. You messed with the wrong post my friend. You brought the smoke and you have to stand the heat.

Now I am shaking in my boots. Nothing like a threat from a Christian.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

Given that you choose to ignore all the ones I already posted Keith, why would I take you seriously. I only intend to point out matters from your postings that don't make sense. According to the Watchtower folks, there are more than 20,000 mistakes in the Bible. There are hundreds of contradictions also. I just posted about four and you choose to deny them. Yet you boastfully ask for others when you have failed to acknowledge those.

Funny you have some nerve to talk about ignoring questions, you are such a hypocrite. You questions are being ignore because you failed to answer my question and why should I keep answering questions that were already answered go and reread all the post in relation to the five questions you asked.

Are you still going to run away from my question?

I'll make this plain again. I am not answering your questions until you answer my questions. In case you forgot here it is again.

How long did it take God to create to heaven and earth according to your belief in the holy book.

So now I am a hypocrite. Your Christian values are beginning to get clearer. How can I be a hypocrite for refusing to answer a question when I clearly told you that I don't intend to change the subject of your topic?

You speak about I ignoring question and here you are doing the same. You now see why I called you an hypocrite ��

I didn't say that you ignore questions. I said that you give what you think the words mean instead of acknowledge what the words say. I don't care about what you believe. It is your right to believe what you choose to believe. I wanted to know from you if the words said what I stated they said. There are only two possible answers. One being that those words are not in the Bible and the other being, yes, Jesus said them. What you believe they mean and what I believe they mean are up to us. By not acknowledging that the words are there is quite interesting.

I told you are showing your incompetence. Always read before you speak or in this case before you post my friend.

ksazma posted: "Given that you choose to ignore all the ones I already posted Keith, why would I take you seriously."

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

 

So now I am a hypocrite. Your Christian values are beginning to get clearer. How can I be a hypocrite for refusing to answer a question when I clearly told you that I don't intend to change the subject of your topic?

You speak about I ignoring questions and yet here you are doing the same. See why I called you an hypocrite   Don't take it personally.

I don't take anything here personally dude. Especially anything from people who are chained to the belief that the English meaning of the Bible is not the same as the English meaning everywhere else. Only in the Bible red doesn't mean read and blue doesn't mean blue and two whoring sisters actually mean two places. Oh yes, the two whoring sisters liking their men to have penises the sizes of horses with huge ejaculations does not mean two whoring sisters liking their men to have penises the sizes of horses with huge ejaculations. Only in the Bible.

ksazma posted:

Keith posted:

 

I don't care who you are, pro or whatever you call yourself. You will be check and put in place. You messed with the wrong post my friend. You brought the smoke and you have to stand the heat.

Now I am shaking in my boots. Nothing like a threat from a Christian.

No threat a promise that I can guarantee. 

Keith posted:

ksazma posted:

 

I didn't say that you ignore questions. I said that you give what you think the words mean instead of acknowledge what the words say. I don't care about what you believe. It is your right to believe what you choose to believe. I wanted to know from you if the words said what I stated they said. There are only two possible answers. One being that those words are not in the Bible and the other being, yes, Jesus said them. What you believe they mean and what I believe they mean are up to us. By not acknowledging that the words are there is quite interesting.

I told you are showing your incompetence. Always read before you speak or in this case before you post my friend.

ksazma posted: "Given that you choose to ignore all the ones I already posted Keith, why would I take you seriously."

'All the ones I already posted' are related to the contradictions. When I refer to you ignoring questions, they are related to you giving your understanding of what Jesus meant instead of just acknowledging what he said. They are two separate things.

It's not a one way conversation, you asked your questions I answered. Now I am asking and you evading. Let have a discussion, answers my ONLY question what are you afraid of? Are you afraid of eating your own words

Off to read my kids a book, have a pleasant night, not that I would be holding my breath but I hope you answer my one and only question you keep evading. 

Keith posted:

It's not a one way conversation, you asked your questions I answered. Now I am asking and you evading. Let have a discussion, answers my ONLY question what are you afraid of? Are you afraid of eating your own words

You are quite a cocky character dude.