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Granger vindicated

for scrapping Amaila

after meeting IDB President

October 3, 2015 | By | Filed Under News 

The 165MW Hydro Electric Power Plant that was being pursued,

as conceived by the previous administration at Amaila Falls,

was not viable.

The new administration has since been vindicated

in its decision not to proceed with it.

This is according to Head of State, President David Granger,

who yesterday provided an update following a meeting

with Luis Alberto Moreno,

the President of one of the key partners in the project,

the Inter American Development Bank’s (IDB).

 

The project which saw an escalating price tag

that almost reached US$1B was sidelined

by the coalition A Partnership for National Unity,

Alliance for Change (APNU+AFC) government,

a decision President Granger said, is now being vindicated.

 

“The IDB spent millions of dollars

investigating the possibility of having

a hydro power project based on the Amaila Falls,

I do not want to disclose the details of my conversation

with President Moreno,

but I can say that generally speaking,

the Amaila Falls Project as conceived

by the previous administration was not viable,

it is not viable and

we are unlikely to proceed with the falls

in the form it was conceived and presented to us,”

said President Granger.

 

He recalled that during the life of the 10th Parliament

there was never a Bill that described or

defined the Amaila Falls Hydropower Project.

 

“Two measures came before the National Assembly,

one concerned the debt ceiling and

the other concerned the reservoir,

the area that is likely to be flooded.”

 

He stressed that there was none in the 10th Parliament

who was given a single document

“stating what the Amaila Falls Hydro Power Project’s

capabilities were, apart from what we were told

about building a road.”

 

The President said his team was never really able

to determine viability of the project as a whole.

 

He told media operatives that APNU+AFC while in opposition

pointed to the fact that the flow of water on the Kuribrong River

needed to be considered in conjunction with the entire Potaro Basin.

 

This suggestion, he said, was aimed at looking

to trap the water flows from several rivers.

 

“We have never seen the Kaieteur Falls bone dry

but we have seen the Amaila Falls bone dry,”

according to President Granger.

 

“We had a different concept;

we want hydropower and

I think the IDB is inclined to support hydropower

but what was put before them is not viable,” said Granger.

 

He pointed out too, that the IDB conducted

further investigations into the viability of the project

and recalled too, that the APNU+AFC did engage

with the IDB while in opposition.

 

The President did point out that during his meeting with Moreno

over the course of the past week;

they did not pursue discussions

on the development of hydropower facilities

either at Moco Moco or Tumatumari—

two sites recently flagged by Government

as possible locations for the development

of smaller hydro power facilities.

 

According to President Granger,

“There are about 100 sites in Guyana

which can support hydroelectric generation

and we intend to pursue hydroelectric generation.”

 

On the matter of the Amaila Falls Project,

President Granger told media operatives,

“everything about it appeared to us to be flawed

and we feel vindicated

in that we did not spend our good money,

or we did not take loans which have to be paid back

to develop that particular project.”

 

He is convinced that

“sooner or later Guyana will have hydro power,

whether it’s one project or several small projects,

this is still to be decided.”

 

According to President Granger,

the Public Infrastructure Minister, David Patterson,

is engaged in investigating not just hydro power potential,

“but also other forms of renewable energy

particularly solar energy and wind.”

 

He disclosed too that during Wednesday’s Cabinet meeting,

the Council of Ministers did address

the concept of wind and solar farms.

“Not one-one panels,

but farms which can generate (electrical) power

for whole communities.”

Asked to specify whether the project

being deemed not viable was a position of the IDB,

Granger told media operatives:

“I don’t want to speak for the IDB,

but as I said the IDB spent millions of dollars

investigating this project.”

 

According to the President,

the IDB “wanted it to work

but at this point in time

I do not feel that they are convinced

that we should proceed with the project.”

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Please quote  from the article for me where granger said that Moreno indicated the the decision to to build the hydro electricity plant at Amelia was wrong.

 

Also, if memory serves me correctly, the government shared all the documents with the opposition and took opposition members on a tour. Is Mr Granger less informed about the project than the many experts here in this site who have been proving their brilliance or lack of on this topic over the past few years.

 

Z

He(Granger) recalled that during the life of the 10th Parliament

there was never a Bill that described or

defined the Amaila Falls Hydropower Project.

 

“Two measures came before the National Assembly,

one concerned the debt ceiling and

the other concerned the reservoir,

the area that is likely to be flooded.”

 

He stressed that there was none in the 10th Parliament

who was given a single document

“stating what the Amaila Falls Hydro Power Project’s

capabilities were, apart from what we were told

about building a road.”

 

The President said his team was never really able

to determine viability of the project as a whole.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by ian:
Originally Posted by Tola:

Jagdeo must be counting his loss, for not getting a cut.

And Why you believe you are an angel  

You sound like my friend's ex-wife, who could read minds.

 

Jagdeo and his gang are corrupt and rotten to the core.

IF...IF...IF...he ever get back in power and that's a big IF,  his first action will be to build two more mansions on the backs of the poor, while most in Guyana struggle to survive. Go ask your friend Mutt and Jeff.

Tola
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by ian:
Originally Posted by Tola:

Jagdeo must be counting his loss, for not getting a cut.

And Why you believe you are an angel  

You sound like my friend's ex-wife, who could read minds.

 

Jagdeo and his gang are corrupt and rotten to the core.

IF...IF...IF...he ever get back in power and that's a big IF,  his first action will be to build two more mansions on the backs of the poor, while most in Guyana struggle to survive. Go ask your friend Mutt and Jeff.

You are a very stupid person.  Why don't you tell us about the reason for scrapping the Hydro project other than it is not viable? This Unity Government cannot build a hydro project on their own initiatives.  The PNC scrapped two of them already during their last run. You are so hateful of the PPP that you cannot see that it is the PNC who is now responsible for all the debts of the last Government as the PPP was responsible for Burnham's debt.

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

You are a very stupid person.  Why don't you tell us about the reason for scrapping the Hydro project other than it is not viable? This Unity Government cannot build a hydro project on their own initiatives.  The PNC scrapped two of them already during their last run. You are so hateful of the PPP that you cannot see that it is the PNC who is now responsible for all the debts of the last Government as the PPP was responsible for Burnham's debt.

What kind of stupidity is this ??? mediocre to the core.

Django
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

You are a very stupid person.  Why don't you tell us about the reason for scrapping the Hydro project other than it is not viable? This Unity Government cannot build a hydro project on their own initiatives.  The PNC scrapped two of them already during their last run. You are so hateful of the PPP that you cannot see that it is the PNC who is now responsible for all the debts of the last Government as the PPP was responsible for Burnham's debt.

What kind of stupidity is this ??? mediocre to the core.

It doesn't matter what you think.  You didn't say anything useful about the project.  Where is your intelligence?  Why don't say something constructive for a change?

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by ian:
Originally Posted by Tola:

Jagdeo must be counting his loss, for not getting a cut.

And Why you believe you are an angel  

You sound like my friend's ex-wife, who could read minds.

 

Jagdeo and his gang are corrupt and rotten to the core.

IF...IF...IF...he ever get back in power and that's a big IF,  his first action will be to build two more mansions on the backs of the poor, while most in Guyana struggle to survive. Go ask your friend Mutt and Jeff.

You are a very stupid person.  Why don't you tell us about the reason for scrapping the Hydro project other than it is not viable? This Unity Government cannot build a hydro project on their own initiatives.  The PNC scrapped two of them already during their last run. You are so hateful of the PPP that you cannot see that it is the PNC who is now responsible for all the debts of the last Government as the PPP was responsible for Burnham's debt.

Reason enough.

FM
Originally Posted by D2:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by ian:
Originally Posted by Tola:

Jagdeo must be counting his loss, for not getting a cut.

And Why you believe you are an angel  

You sound like my friend's ex-wife, who could read minds.

 

Jagdeo and his gang are corrupt and rotten to the core.

IF...IF...IF...he ever get back in power and that's a big IF,  his first action will be to build two more mansions on the backs of the poor, while most in Guyana struggle to survive. Go ask your friend Mutt and Jeff.

You are a very stupid person.  Why don't you tell us about the reason for scrapping the Hydro project other than it is not viable? This Unity Government cannot build a hydro project on their own initiatives.  The PNC scrapped two of them already during their last run. You are so hateful of the PPP that you cannot see that it is the PNC who is now responsible for all the debts of the last Government as the PPP was responsible for Burnham's debt.

Reason enough.

I don't think so!  To throw away US$2.8 billion, there must be more reason to do so. Antbody can say it is not viabe.  The IDB proved that they cannot be trusted to give viable advice to any government.

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by ian:
Originally Posted by Tola:

Jagdeo must be counting his loss, for not getting a cut.

And Why you believe you are an angel  

You sound like my friend's ex-wife, who could read minds.

 

Jagdeo and his gang are corrupt and rotten to the core.

IF...IF...IF...he ever get back in power and that's a big IF,  his first action will be to build two more mansions on the backs of the poor, while most in Guyana struggle to survive. Go ask your friend Mutt and Jeff.

You are a very stupid person.  Why don't you tell us about the reason for scrapping the Hydro project other than it is not viable?

“We have never seen the Kaieteur Falls bone dry

but we have seen the Amaila Falls bone dry,”

according to President Granger.

 

This Unity Government cannot build a hydro project on their own initiatives. 

Rama....Besides thiefing....

who would want to build a Hydro

where the river run ....BONE DRY.....

what type of initative is that.

 

 

The PNC scrapped two of them already during their last run.

RAMA....So Jagdeo think he could

Waste(Thief) US$1 Billion

because PNC Mismanage Guyana in the past.

 

 

You are so hateful of the PPP that you cannot see that it is the PNC who is now responsible for all the debts of the last Government as the PPP was responsible for Burnham's debt.

Rama this is not PNC Govt

Granger and Moses .....is not.... Burnham and Reid.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by ian:
Originally Posted by Tola:

Jagdeo must be counting his loss, for not getting a cut.

And Why you believe you are an angel  

You sound like my friend's ex-wife, who could read minds.

 

Jagdeo and his gang are corrupt and rotten to the core.

IF...IF...IF...he ever get back in power and that's a big IF,  his first action will be to build two more mansions on the backs of the poor, while most in Guyana struggle to survive. Go ask your friend Mutt and Jeff.

You are a very stupid person.  Why don't you tell us about the reason for scrapping the Hydro project other than it is not viable? This Unity Government cannot build a hydro project on their own initiatives.  The PNC scrapped two of them already during their last run. You are so hateful of the PPP that you cannot see that it is the PNC who is now responsible for all the debts of the last Government as the PPP was responsible for Burnham's debt.

Rama, EVERY project the PPP did was over run by cost, sometimes more than double the estimate.

Contacts are often given a +10% over run, but PPP projects estimates are doubled.  Why ?

 

We know of the Kato secondary school project where the estimate was doubled, because we are in nearby in Paramakatoi and take the long trip by road often.

 

Why Rama ?

Tola
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by D2:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by ian:
Originally Posted by Tola:

Jagdeo must be counting his loss, for not getting a cut.

And Why you believe you are an angel  

You sound like my friend's ex-wife, who could read minds.

 

Jagdeo and his gang are corrupt and rotten to the core.

IF...IF...IF...he ever get back in power and that's a big IF,  his first action will be to build two more mansions on the backs of the poor, while most in Guyana struggle to survive. Go ask your friend Mutt and Jeff.

You are a very stupid person.  Why don't you tell us about the reason for scrapping the Hydro project other than it is not viable? This Unity Government cannot build a hydro project on their own initiatives.  The PNC scrapped two of them already during their last run. You are so hateful of the PPP that you cannot see that it is the PNC who is now responsible for all the debts of the last Government as the PPP was responsible for Burnham's debt.

Reason enough.

I don't think so!  To throw away US$2.8 billion, there must be more reason to do so. Antbody can say it is not viabe.  The IDB proved that they cannot be trusted to give viable advice to any government.

Rama stop defending thiefing

Tell me....would you support

the Biggest Investment by the Govt

after you know.......

(1) IDB spend Millions on research and say it is not Viable

(2) Jagdeo could not show the Guyanese People the Details.

(3) The Original Price keep Doubling everytime.

(4) Jagdeo Initiative move the cost of producing sugar

from... US 10 Cents per pound under Burnham.....

to.....  US 45 Cents per pound under Burnham.....

when the world market price is  US 13 Cents per pound.

(5) Isn't this called Thiefman Initiative.

RAMA R U A THIEFMAN

 

FM
Originally Posted by Jalil:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by ian:
Originally Posted by Tola:

Jagdeo must be counting his loss, for not getting a cut.

And Why you believe you are an angel  

You sound like my friend's ex-wife, who could read minds.

 

Jagdeo and his gang are corrupt and rotten to the core.

IF...IF...IF...he ever get back in power and that's a big IF,  his first action will be to build two more mansions on the backs of the poor, while most in Guyana struggle to survive. Go ask your friend Mutt and Jeff.

You are a very stupid person.  Why don't you tell us about the reason for scrapping the Hydro project other than it is not viable?

“We have never seen the Kaieteur Falls bone dry

but we have seen the Amaila Falls bone dry,”

according to President Granger.

 

This Unity Government cannot build a hydro project on their own initiatives. 

Rama....Besides thiefing....

who would want to build a Hydro

where the river run ....BONE DRY.....

what type of initative is that.

 

 

The PNC scrapped two of them already during their last run.

RAMA....So Jagdeo think he could

Waste(Thief) US$1 Billion

because PNC Mismanage Guyana in the past.

 

 

You are so hateful of the PPP that you cannot see that it is the PNC who is now responsible for all the debts of the last Government as the PPP was responsible for Burnham's debt.

Rama this is not PNC Govt

Granger and Moses .....is not.... Burnham and Reid.

 

 

Please correct me if I am incorrect. Key to some of these projects is the building of the dam, the purpose of which is to provide height of water so it can go through and turn the generator, and to have enough water throughout the year. There are many such dams in Alberta and British Columbia. Granger's statement is all about narrative. You expect me to believe that they did not know much about the Project? Well, the Guyanese population must be more knowledge about the project than they are and maybe points to them not being ready for the major league.

 

By by the way, several years ago, the water over the  kaieteur falls was reduced to a trickle. 

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Jalil:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by ian:
Originally Posted by Tola:

Jagdeo must be counting his loss, for not getting a cut.

And Why you believe you are an angel  

You sound like my friend's ex-wife, who could read minds.

 

Jagdeo and his gang are corrupt and rotten to the core.

IF...IF...IF...he ever get back in power and that's a big IF,  his first action will be to build two more mansions on the backs of the poor, while most in Guyana struggle to survive. Go ask your friend Mutt and Jeff.

You are a very stupid person.  Why don't you tell us about the reason for scrapping the Hydro project other than it is not viable?

“We have never seen the Kaieteur Falls bone dry

but we have seen the Amaila Falls bone dry,”

according to President Granger.

 

This Unity Government cannot build a hydro project on their own initiatives. 

Rama....Besides thiefing....

who would want to build a Hydro

where the river run ....BONE DRY.....

what type of initative is that.

 

 

The PNC scrapped two of them already during their last run.

RAMA....So Jagdeo think he could

Waste(Thief) US$1 Billion

because PNC Mismanage Guyana in the past.

 

 

You are so hateful of the PPP that you cannot see that it is the PNC who is now responsible for all the debts of the last Government as the PPP was responsible for Burnham's debt.

Rama this is not PNC Govt

Granger and Moses .....is not.... Burnham and Reid.

 

 

Please correct me if I am incorrect. Key to some of these projects is the building of the dam, the purpose of which is to provide height of water so it can go through and turn the generator, and to have enough water throughout the year. There are many such dams in Alberta and British Columbia. Granger's statement is all about narrative. You expect me to believe that they did not know much about the Project? Well, the Guyanese population must be more knowledge about the project than they are and maybe points to them not being ready for the major league.

 

By by the way, several years ago, the water over the  kaieteur falls was reduced to a trickle. 

In BC and Alberta they have mountains of snow run-off and water accumulation in reservoirs to keep the turbines operating.

BC presently is constructing a Site C dam, that require flooding large areas and displacing hundreds of First Nations People. This issue is presently in the courts.

 

What plan does the Guyana projects have to reserve water, when the river is dry and during dry seasons ?  Does the project become a white elephant ? 

 

Tola
Originally Posted by Zed:
Please correct me if I am incorrect. Key to some of these projects is the building of the dam, the purpose of which is to provide height of water so it can go through and turn the generator, and to have enough water throughout the year. There are many such dams in Alberta and British Columbia. Granger's statement is all about narrative. You expect me to believe that they did not know much about the Project? Well, the Guyanese population must be more knowledge about the project than they are and maybe points to them not being ready for the major league.

 

By by the way, several years ago, the water over the  kaieteur falls was reduced to a trickle. 

There are also many projects, world wide and also in Canada, with similar conditions like the Amaila falls project, where the flows are augmented from other streams.

 

On related past threads, I indicated that as the Executive Coordinator for Hydroelectric Power Development similar constructed projects were constructed in Canada which are identical conditions with Amaila Falls proposal.

FM
Originally Posted by Prashad:

       
How come Burnham hydro engineer Demerara Guy said it was a viable project

       
There's a reason why D_G is known as the Demented_Guy. The man thinks that a blow up doll is a real woman and when he signs on to GNI he is at a job.
Mars
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Jalil:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by ian:
Originally Posted by Tola:

Jagdeo must be counting his loss, for not getting a cut.

And Why you believe you are an angel  

You sound like my friend's ex-wife, who could read minds.

 

Jagdeo and his gang are corrupt and rotten to the core.

IF...IF...IF...he ever get back in power and that's a big IF,  his first action will be to build two more mansions on the backs of the poor, while most in Guyana struggle to survive. Go ask your friend Mutt and Jeff.

You are a very stupid person.  Why don't you tell us about the reason for scrapping the Hydro project other than it is not viable?

“We have never seen the Kaieteur Falls bone dry

but we have seen the Amaila Falls bone dry,”

according to President Granger.

 

This Unity Government cannot build a hydro project on their own initiatives. 

Rama....Besides thiefing....

who would want to build a Hydro

where the river run ....BONE DRY.....

what type of initative is that.

 

 

The PNC scrapped two of them already during their last run.

RAMA....So Jagdeo think he could

Waste(Thief) US$1 Billion

because PNC Mismanage Guyana in the past.

 

 

You are so hateful of the PPP that you cannot see that it is the PNC who is now responsible for all the debts of the last Government as the PPP was responsible for Burnham's debt.

Rama this is not PNC Govt

Granger and Moses .....is not.... Burnham and Reid.

 

 

Please correct me if I am incorrect. Key to some of these projects is the building of the dam, the purpose of which is to provide height of water so it can go through and turn the generator, and to have enough water throughout the year. There are many such dams in Alberta and British Columbia. Granger's statement is all about narrative. You expect me to believe that they did not know much about the Project? Well, the Guyanese population must be more knowledge about the project than they are and maybe points to them not being ready for the major league.

 

By by the way, several years ago, the water over the  kaieteur falls was reduced to a trickle. 

In BC and Alberta they have mountains of snow run-off and water accumulation in reservoirs to keep the turbines operating.

BC presently is constructing a Site C dam, that require flooding large areas and displacing hundreds of First Nations People. This issue is presently in the courts.

 

What plan does the Guyana projects have to reserve water, when the river is dry and during dry seasons ?  Does the project become a white elephant ? 

 

 Let us forget about Jagdeo and Donald for a minute and just discuss the technical aspects. I am not an expert but I believe that the in the area chosen, the amount of water behind a dam will be enough to supply water in drier periods. In Parts of Southern Alberta and Saskatchewan, there are hydro projects that depended on water from the rivers on the generally flat plain,  not in mountainous gorges. The situation with the james Bay Cree is a prime example of the issue of the rights of First Nations versus  the infrastructure thrusts of Governments. So is the situation in Brazil and other countries.

 

we know there are issues regarding the funding, the costs of the project, the ownership structure, the environment, the cost at which power will be produced. If I remember, the IDB was in favour of the project so I am surprised if they are now saying that the project in not a good one. (If that is true) The government needs to give us a coherent and detailed explanation of why the project is a bad one or a good one, a really detailed cost benefit analysis dealing with the monetary issues, then an identification of and their position regarding some of the non financial issues. Put it on the table. Let us discuss it on the basis of its merits or lack of, away from the polemics. We know that there will be costs and at some point a decision has to be made. They must be up front on the basis of the decision they make.

 

we will always have this debate about corruption and thieves but we need to move ahead. If things are done properly, then we will mute some of these comments and can truly say that what is decided is for the benefit of all Guyanese, not a select few.

 

DG is an expert in this area so he might be more informed about the technical aspects of the issue.

 

 

 

Z
Originally Posted by Wally:

DJ it looks like the government will be going solar and wind.

There are numerous attempts at solar and wind power which serve local and isolated areas.

 

For major developments in Guyana with a stable and reliable source of electric energy, a hydroelectric power plant is needed.

FM
I do not want to disclose the details of my conversation with President Moreno, but I can say that generally speaking, the Amaila Falls Project as conceived by the previous administration was not viable, it is not viable and we are unlikely to proceed with the falls in the form it was conceived and presented to us,” said President Granger.

 

Asked to specify whether the project being deemed not viable was a position of the IDB, Granger told media operatives: “I don’t want to speak for the IDB, but as I said the IDB spent millions of dollars investigating this project.”

 

According to the President,the IDB “wanted it to work but at this point in time I do not feel that they are convinced that we should proceed with the project.”

 

 

Granger vindicated for scrapping Amaila after meeting IDB President

October 3, 2015 | By | Filed Under News

Perhaps, meaning that they will "dust off some things here and there" and then it will be implemented.

FM

 

I do not think

Rama could thief Big like De Rat

 

 

Rama stop defending thiefing

Tell me....would you support

the Biggest Investment by the Govt

after you know.......

(1) IDB spend Millions on research

and say it is not Viable

 

(2) Jagdeo could not

show the Guyanese People the Details.

 

(3) The Original Price keep Doubling

everytime Jagdeo Scratch

where his Balls should be.

 

(4) Jagdeo Initiative

move the cost of producing sugar

from... US 10 Cents per pound

under Burnham.....

 

to.....  US 45 Cents per pound

under Burnham JAGDEO.....

 

when the world market price is

 US 13 Cents per pound.

 

(5) Isn't this called Thiefman Initiative.

 

RAMA R U A THIEFMAN

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Wally:

DJ it looks like the government will be going solar and wind.

There are numerous attempts at solar

and wind power which serve local and isolated areas.

For major developments in Guyana

with a stable and reliable

source of electric energy,

a hydroelectric power plant is needed.

But Not Jagdeo Hydro_Seed

Where the Rat Steal De Cheese

 

 

 

“We had a different concept;

we want hydropower and

I think the IDB is inclined to support hydropower

but what was put before them is not viable,”

said Granger.

 

He pointed out too, that the IDB conducted

further investigations into the viability of the project

and recalled too, that the APNU+AFC did engage

with the IDB while in opposition.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
I do not want to disclose the details of my conversation with President Moreno, but I can say that generally speaking, the Amaila Falls Project as conceived by the previous administration was not viable, it is not viable and we are unlikely to proceed with the falls in the form it was conceived and presented to us,” said President Granger.

 

Asked to specify whether the project being deemed not viable was a position of the IDB, Granger told media operatives: “I don’t want to speak for the IDB, but as I said the IDB spent millions of dollars investigating this project.”

 

According to the President,the IDB “wanted it to work but at this point in time I do not feel that they are convinced that we should proceed with the project.”

 

 

Granger vindicated for scrapping Amaila after meeting IDB President

October 3, 2015 | By | Filed Under News

Perhaps, meaning that they will "dust off some things here and there" and then it will be implemented.

Aya watch this Rass....

 

Moses & Granger Scrap

De Amaila Hydro Cheese Project

 

IDB Say Amaila Hydro Project

Too Cheesey & Rattish

Not Viable

 

 

 

Summary

Guyana Govt Reject

Jagdeo Hydro_Cheese

 

IDB tell the world

Not Viable

Jagdeo Hydro_Cheese

 

 

 

 

xxxxxxxxxxxx 

and Absalam

believe

Perhaps, meaning

that they will "dust off some things here and there"

and then it will be implemented.

 

Now Tell us who will build it? 

IDB or Guyana Govt write off

Jagdeo Pie-in-de-sky Hydro Project

Too Cheesey & Rattish

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by Prashad:
How come Burnham hydro engineer Demerara Guy said it was a viable project

He loves being wrong.

Ole stinking

Cheezee Crab Louse

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Zed:

Please quote  from the article for me where granger said that Moreno indicated the the decision to to build the hydro electricity plant at Amelia was wrong.

 

Also, if memory serves me correctly, the government shared all the documents with the opposition and took opposition members on a tour. Is Mr Granger less informed about the project than the many experts here in this site who have been proving their brilliance or lack of on this topic over the past few years.

 

The AFC and APNU at all stages were opposed to the Amaila Falls.  We were even treated to the spectacle of a DRY waterfall during the dry season.

 

The PPP was NOT transparent about the process, and this was evident in the selection of Fip Motilall t build a road to the interior. What qualifications did he have, aside from being an Indian supporter of the PPP?  NONE!  Yet millions was squandered on him.

 

IDB can refute the fact that the headlines claims that they do not see the project as viable.  I am willing to bet that they don't.

 

It is quite evident that the IDB and the UN are as relieved that the PPP was tossed out of office, as they were when the PNC was tossed out in 1992.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Please quote  from the article for me where granger said that Moreno indicated the the decision to to build the hydro electricity plant at Amelia was wrong.

 

Also, if memory serves me correctly, the government shared all the documents with the opposition and took opposition members on a tour. Is Mr Granger less informed about the project than the many experts here in this site who have been proving their brilliance or lack of on this topic over the past few years.

The AFC and APNU at all stages were opposed to the Amaila Falls.  We were even treated to the spectacle of a DRY waterfall during the dry season.

 

The PPP was NOT transparent about the process, and this was evident in the selection of Fip Motilall t build a road to the interior. What qualifications did he have, aside from being an Indian supporter of the PPP?  NONE!  Yet millions was squandered on him.

 

IDB can refute the fact that the headlines claims that they do not see the project as viable.  I am willing to bet that they don't.

 

It is quite evident that the IDB and the UN are as relieved that the PPP was tossed out of office, as they were when the PNC was tossed out in 1992.

As noted on previous discussions, there are indeed many projects worldwide which are augmented by flows from other streams.

 

Also as stated, I was the Executive Coordinator for Hydroelectric Power Development where projects were constructed in Canada with identical conditions to those for Amaila Falls proposal, i.e., flows augmented from other stream(s). Was also involved with similar projects in Africa, Europe, India, Australia, etc.

 

Similarly for all streams, mathematical and statistical approaches are conducted to determine the probabilities of occurrences to meet the water supply needs plus other pertinent parameters for the proposal; such as 1:100, 1:1000, 1:10,000 year of occurrences.

FM

APNU/AFC were opposed to every action by the PPP, just not the hydro project.  Now they are in charge they must take accountability for the way forward or therein lack of. With gas prices this low, the project is not feasible. The PPP relied on the experts to tell where the hydro project should be located, if this was incorrect then let Granger and team lead the way. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

APNU/AFC were opposed to every action by the PPP, just not the hydro project.  Now they are in charge they must take accountability for the way forward or therein lack of. With gas prices this low, the project is not feasible. The PPP relied on the experts to tell where the hydro project should be located, if this was incorrect then let Granger and team lead the way. 

That's correct if can't be viable find another location and

get the hydro going,wondering what the Executive

Coordinator have to say.

Django
Last edited by Django
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

APNU/AFC were opposed to every action by the PPP, just not the hydro project.  Now they are in charge they must take accountability for the way forward or therein lack of. With gas prices this low, the project is not feasible. The PPP relied on the experts to tell where the hydro project should be located, if this was incorrect then let Granger and team lead the way. 

That's correct if can't be viable find another location and

get the hydro going,wondering what the Executive

Coordinator have to say.

Don't forget both Cathy and Nigel Hughes were working under cover for the Amaila Falls Project and getting good pay,yet they oppose the project, because the PNC says so. DO AS I SAY , AND NOT AS I DO.

K
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

APNU/AFC were opposed to every action by the PPP, just not the hydro project.  Now they are in charge they must take accountability for the way forward or therein lack of. With gas prices this low, the project is not feasible. The PPP relied on the experts to tell where the hydro project should be located, if this was incorrect then let Granger and team lead the way. 

That's correct if can't be viable find another location and

get the hydro going,wondering what the Executive

Coordinator have to say.

Don't forget both Cathy and Nigel Hughes were working under cover for the Amaila Falls Project and getting good pay,yet they oppose the project, because the PNC says so. DO AS I SAY , AND NOT AS I DO.

Both...IDB & Guyana Govt write off

Jagdeo Pie-in-de-sky Hydro Project

Too Cheesey & Rattish

 

What nonsense is this kp saying now.

The Moses & Granger must not scrap 

"De Jadeo Cheezee Hydro-Seed Project"

because they Hired Cathy Hughes Company to do PR .

 

or is kp saying.......

The IDB must now lie and say 

"De Jadeo Cheezee Hydro-Seed Project"

is NOW VIABLE & SOUND

because Nigel Hughes was Chosen as their attorney.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by kp:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

APNU/AFC were opposed to every action by the PPP, just not the hydro project.  Now they are in charge they must take accountability for the way forward or therein lack of. With gas prices this low, the project is not feasible. The PPP relied on the experts to tell where the hydro project should be located, if this was incorrect then let Granger and team lead the way. 

That's correct if can't be viable find another location and

get the hydro going,wondering what the Executive

Coordinator have to say.

Don't forget both Cathy and Nigel Hughes were working under cover for the Amaila Falls Project and getting good pay,yet they oppose the project, because the PNC says so. DO AS I SAY , AND NOT AS I DO.

How difficult is it for granger to phone  one of the Hughes and asked to be further briefed on the project? The problem with so many politicians is that they think all members of the population are too stupid to know what is happening.

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by kp:
 

Don't forget both Cathy and Nigel Hughes were working under cover for the Amaila Falls Project and getting good pay,yet they oppose the project, because the PNC says so. DO AS I SAY , AND NOT AS I DO.

How difficult is it for granger to phone  one of the Hughes and asked to be further briefed on the project? The problem with so many politicians is that they think all members of the population are too stupid to know what is happening.

Both...IDB & Guyana Govt write off

Jagdeo Pie-in-de-sky Hydro Project

Too Cheesey & Rattish

FM
Originally Posted by Jalil:
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by kp:
 

Don't forget both Cathy and Nigel Hughes were working under cover for the Amaila Falls Project and getting good pay,yet they oppose the project, because the PNC says so. DO AS I SAY , AND NOT AS I DO.

How difficult is it for granger to phone  one of the Hughes and asked to be further briefed on the project? The problem with so many politicians is that they think all members of the population are too stupid to know what is happening.

Both...IDB & Guyana Govt write off

Jagdeo Pie-in-de-sky Hydro Project

Too Cheesey & Rattish

Still waiting for someone to provide a source that says that the IDB indicated that ye hydro electricity project at zamelia falls is a bad one. 

 

Catch up with you tomorrow.

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Jalil:
 

Both...IDB & Guyana Govt write off

Jagdeo Pie-in-de-sky Hydro Project

Too Cheesey & Rattish

Still waiting for someone to provide a source that says that the IDB indicated that ye hydro electricity project at zamelia falls is a bad one. 

 

Catch up with you tomorrow.

IDB say

"it is not Viable"

 

take yuh time and figure it out.

 

then show me ...where

anyone who is not a thief

would Build a Hydro

on a Bone Dry River...

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Jalil:
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Jalil:
 

Both...IDB & Guyana Govt write off

Jagdeo Pie-in-de-sky Hydro Project

Too Cheesey & Rattish

Still waiting for someone to provide a source that says that the IDB indicated that ye hydro electricity project at zamelia falls is a bad one. 

 

Catch up with you tomorrow.

IDB say

"it is not Viable"

 

take yuh time and figure it out.

 

then show me ...where

anyone who is not a thief

would Build a Hydro

on a Bone Dry River...

I mean no disrespect, but I cannot accept you as a credible source. 

Z

The IDB was undertaking the due diligence on Amaila because of a government request for a loan of which Sithe was to be the client

 

Dear Editor,

I refer to a number of allegations contained in a Ministry of Finance press release and carried in the Guyana Chronicle dated August 28th.

Dr Singh, the Minister of Finance, was reported to have said in effect that the due diligence that was being conducted by the Inter-American Develop-ment Bank (IDB) for the Amaila Falls Hydro Electric Project has now ceased, and without it, the public review of the project cannot take place.

First, the IDB was undertaking the due diligence of the Amaila HP as a result of a request by the Government of Guyana (GoG) for a loan of which Sithe was to be the client. With the withdrawal of Sithe, unless there is a replacement or alternative arrangement, the IDB would cease work on the project.  What is more, in July Ms Sophie Makonnen, the Head of the IDB office in Guyana, had informed the Stabroek News that the due diligence study, which was supposed to have been completed by the Bank by 31st July 2013, had been delayed.

The report made reference to failure to complete the access road being a key condition to the process.

Secondly, I note that Dr Singh volunteered that the last step to finalising Amaila should have seen the politicians take a back seat, while the people of Guyana calmly spent six weeks to go through the details of what was proposed, as part of the GRIF review process.

This is totally untrue.

From whence did the politics come? Who would strip away the politics? And, since when can a process and review apparently agreed between the GoG   with the Norwegians supplant the right of the Assembly to approve public expenditure?

The allegation is doubly ridiculous because the PPP regime has this year alone already organized two of the so-called stakeholder fora which were intended to outflank parliamentary oversight. The first issued a statement in support of the project. The second announced by Dr Singh on July 29th and held on the following Wednesday was addressed by the Sithe officials and, presumably due to the presence of Messrs Ram and Gaskin, whose study had been released just prior to that event, the Chairman was instructed by Mr Edgehill not to permit questions. But for the growing outcry, they would have treated that forum as sufficient public endorsement. Dr Singh’s problem therefore was not the absence of opportunity for a public airing or review, but the fact that critics not only turned up but voiced views contrary to those of the PPP.

I should like to remind readers that it was not APNU which called for a national consensus by August 7th, but rather the PPP!  Our calls for a consensus prior to proceeding with the submission of the project were actually ignored. If this deadline did not permit sufficient time for a proper examination of the details, Dr Singh should have discussed the matter with Mr Brian Kubeck. Mr Kubeck is not employed by APNU. APNU had no CEC members on the Sithe Global Board nor MPs retained by that company. The ultimatum and subsequent statement of withdrawal that brought the process to a halt was issued in public by Mr Brian Kubeck of Sithe, so Dr Singh, Dr Luncheon and the PPP cabal should stop their childish, distasteful and petulant display over milk their ally spilt. Having miscalculated they now seek to audaciously employ 1984-type double speak, even before events have dimmed in the public memory.

Furthermore, the views of the public are reflected in a variety of ways and in many fora, including letter-writing. The PPP has not, until now, been averse to using public funds to have their views represented in the very letter columns the Minister now dismisses. In truth the PPP has a difficulty not with publicly-aired views but with the airing of views contrary to the PPP’s, hence the relentless drive to silence independent TV and radio stations.

Dr Singh is reported to have said that, “Once politics was stripped away, the people could have had access to factual information, and had time to digest the details, rather than having politicians or letter-writers claim to speak for them… But APNU worked to prevent all this.”

Information can be meaningless to members of the public unless it is properly contextualized, interpreted and /or tested against other relevant data. Most of the issues raised and information exposed during the debate on Amaila would have never been understood or made known to the public and certainly not before the agreement was in place. In fact up to now information still remains to be provided. On July 17th a number of questions put to the IDB and the GoG could not be answered. Only three days ago the Kaieteur News revealed that rather than a cost of US$858M the project was expected to cost $915M. Rather than dealing with these matters the GoG has sought to attack those asking questions. The unparalleled torrent of abuse from the PPP and officials of NICIL and GPL could never be a basis for reasoned debate. To suggest therefore that the information made available by the government would have alone been a good basis for public decision-making is derisible and deserves no further comment.

The suggestion that up now the government had indicated that the process had several steps, one of which was to have a six week public review (presumably before the parliament pronounced on the matter?) is patently untrue. Which six weeks? Let Dr Singh point to one single piece of correspondence or public statement from the President or himself that makes mention of this agreed public review, the absence of which he laments. There is no mention of it in the President’s press release of either August 16th in which he made mention of a “triple lock” or  his statement which preceded it. APNU has never been notified by either the GoG or the IDB of the intention of having a public review which would be dependent on APNU support for the project. What sense would such a condition have made?

Let me make it clear. This option is a product of Dr Sigh’s imagination and as such it is unbecoming. It is an insult to all observers and the Guyanese public.

On August 7th the government laid before the Assembly, two items vaguely related to Amaila, one a bill on land set aside and the other, a motion on the lifting of the ceiling governing loans guaranteed by the government. Prior and subsequent to that session, the President called on the opposition to support the two items which APNU has always pointed out do not constitute an acceptable presentation on a project of such magnitude and importance.  APNU was never asked to pronounce on nor did it prevent or seek to prevent an unannounced public review.

Dr Singh said that APNU was, “being asked to join a consensus which would have let the six week public review of the Amaila Falls Hydro project take place – as part of transferring the bulk of Guyana’s equity contribution from the Guyana REDD+ Investment Fund (GRIF).” It seems that he is planning to have these instant crowds supplant the work of the Assembly.

These claims are so ridiculous that I am forced to conclude that Dr Singh is trying to goad the parliament into an argument over the ‘final step’ that never existed. The government may be trying to convince the Norwegians to disburse the US$100M in spite of the withdrawal of Sithe. When the opposition correctly says, “We were not aware that such a step was part of the plan,” the government would respond, “OK, forget the misunderstanding, let us organize the public debate.” It wouldn’t work!

Only someone unfamiliar with the PPP’s behaviour would fall for that silly ruse. We have seen the instant crowds that the PPP mobilises under the aegis of the LCDS as well as those aimed at deflecting complaints of the indigenous people about mining concessions illegally granted as part of sweetheart deals to PPP-affiliated businessmen by getting Indigenous in other areas to call for the removal of miners elsewhere believed to be unsympathetic or indifferent to the PPP.  Perhaps the Norwegians could fall for that. We have seen the rent-a-crowd efforts aimed at criticizing the EPA, which Mr Jagdeo had approved only a few weeks prior to that fake stakeholder forum.

In conclusion, we are concerned about Dr Singh’s fabrications. We are not in the least interested in his views of APNU, especially as they apply to the national interest. He and the PPP have more than their own share of questions to answer to the public in that regard, and not only arising from Amaila.  Everyone who has been attacked by this government as unpatriotic for not agreeing with its action would have reflected on Samuel Johnson’s quip that, “patriotism is the last resort of a scoundrel.” In our case we prefer to find comfort in Thomas Paine who has presciently observed that at times, “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.”

Yours faithfully, Carl B Greenidge

 

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Mitwah

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