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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by ksazma:

Even I am not pleased with the actions of the PPP Chief but one thing has been constant since 1992. They have not denied any party the free right to replace them in government. The PNC record is the opposite.

 That is why the PNC need to come clean with an apology.

 

 


After the 1992 elections, Ted Kennedy apologized to Cheddie Jagan for his brother's and the US' role in the PNC abuse between 1964 & 1992. Obama before being elected president gave a race speech following his pastor's rants. Apology is what decent people do to mend fences. Burnham isn't here anymore but he has successors. It is that person's responsibility since he accepted the role as successor.

where is your call for the PPP to apologize ("to mend fences")!??

That will come next. First let us get past the first abuse and then we will demand that the PPP do the same. See I said it. Now are you big enough to do the same? 

the abuse of the past decade is continuing and the players are alive and active in their evil

 

only in the mind of a moron or someone completely stripped of any moral moorings could the wickedness of those long dead be a priority over the crimes of those even more wicked being committed TODAY!

It's a cruel cycle all because the two major parties and playing the race card.  It started with the PNC and today the fire is burning brighter with the PPP.

 

Do you now see why a few of us are asking for an apology from the PNC.

 

 

 

Chief
Originally Posted by Chief:
 

It's a cruel cycle all because the two major parties and playing the race card.  It started with the PNC and today the fire is burning brighter with the PPP.

 

Do you now see why a few of us are asking for an apology from the PNC.

 

 

 

Redux can't see that far. He is stuck in his coolie/black confused world.

FM
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by ksazma:

Even I am not pleased with the actions of the PPP Chief but one thing has been constant since 1992. They have not denied any party the free right to replace them in government. The PNC record is the opposite.

 That is why the PNC need to come clean with an apology.

 

 


After the 1992 elections, Ted Kennedy apologized to Cheddie Jagan for his brother's and the US' role in the PNC abuse between 1964 & 1992. Obama before being elected president gave a race speech following his pastor's rants. Apology is what decent people do to mend fences. Burnham isn't here anymore but he has successors. It is that person's responsibility since he accepted the role as successor.

where is your call for the PPP to apologize ("to mend fences")!??

That will come next. First let us get past the first abuse and then we will demand that the PPP do the same. See I said it. Now are you big enough to do the same? 

the abuse of the past decade is continuing and the players are alive and active in their evil

 

only in the mind of a moron or someone completely stripped of any moral moorings could the wickedness of those long dead be a priority over the crimes of those even more wicked being committed TODAY!

It's a cruel cycle all because the two major parties and playing the race card.  It started with the PNC and today the fire is burning brighter with the PPP.

 

Do you now see why a few of us are asking for an apology from the PNC.

u seem compelled to 'respond' without actually reading what i posted

 

hmmmm . . .?

FM
Originally Posted by redux:

Burnham is dead . . . "come clean" about what?

 

alyuh dishonest fellas very selective about who should "apologize" and for what

 Apologize for every ill that the PNC committed against the Guyanese puclic.

really now?

 

sounds to me like u drinking deep from a certan cup, and channeling PPP powah hay . . . hmmmm?

You start to sound and behave like the PPP boys. When backed ina corner they respond by saying Iam PNC.

Chief
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Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by redux:

Burnham is dead . . . "come clean" about what?

 

alyuh dishonest fellas very selective about who should "apologize" and for what

 Apologize for every ill that the PNC committed against the Guyanese puclic.

really now?

 

sounds to me like u drinking deep from a certan cup, and channeling PPP powah hay . . . hmmmm?

You start to sound and behave like Nehru.

really now? a little beneath u and desperate . . . but whatever

 

now, chief . . . i don't believe u support the wickedness hatched in Freedom House that is soiling the country of my birth

 

unfortunately, like many here, you don't think like a Guyanese . . . at the end of the day, y'all think only like Indo-Guyanese, with all the pathologies associated with the tribal path in a multi-racial society

 

apropos much here . . . Freddie Kissoon is a REAL Guyanese. That's why y'all tribals HATE him so passionately!

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by redux:

Burnham is dead . . . "come clean" about what?

 

alyuh dishonest fellas very selective about who should "apologize" and for what

 Apologize for every ill that the PNC committed against the Guyanese puclic.

really now?

 

sounds to me like u drinking deep from a certan cup, and channeling PPP powah hay . . . hmmmm?

You start to sound and behave like Nehru.

really now? . . . i'll suggest u look inwards for a 'real' answer

 

chief . . . i don't believe u support the wickedness hatched in Freedom House that is soiling the country of my birth

 

unfortunately, like many here, you don't think like a Guyanese . . . at the end of the day, y'all think only like Indo-Guyanese, with all the pathologies associated with the tribal path in a multi-racial society

 

Freddie Kissoon is a REAL Guyanese . . . that's why y'all tribals HATE him so much!

You just prove my point that you are no different than the PPP cabals.

Chief
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Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by redux:

Burnham is dead . . . "come clean" about what?

 

alyuh dishonest fellas very selective about who should "apologize" and for what

 Apologize for every ill that the PNC committed against the Guyanese puclic.

really now?

 

sounds to me like u drinking deep from a certan cup, and channeling PPP powah hay . . . hmmmm?

You start to sound and behave like Nehru.

really now? a little beneath u and desperate . . . but whatever

 

now, chief . . . i don't believe u support the wickedness hatched in Freedom House that is soiling the country of my birth

 

unfortunately, like many here, you don't think like a Guyanese . . . at the end of the day, y'all think only like Indo-Guyanese, with all the pathologies associated with the tribal path in a multi-racial society

 

apropos much here . . . Freddie Kissoon is a REAL Guyanese. That's why y'all tribals HATE him so passionately!

You just prove my point that you are no different than the PPP cabals.

not so fast bro . . . my spotlight will follow u no matter where u run

FM
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It is about 2 hours now and I want begging, waiting for someone to tell I am most Guyanese what they know, they can site or witnessed to CONVINCE us that the PNC today is different from the one in the 80's. Ow Papa we want to give everyone a FAIR chance. It is a simple question I hope. WE are willing and anxious to work will all sides BUT PLEASE, answer our simple question. And I don't want hear what Al YUh think or what like Ms Cleo Al YUh see in the future.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:

It is about 2 hours now and I want begging, waiting for someone to tell I am most Guyanese what they know, they can site or witnessed to CONVINCE us that the PNC today is different from the one in the 80's. Ow Papa we want to give everyone a FAIR chance. It is a simple question I hope. WE are willing and anxious to work will all sides BUT PLEASE, answer our simple question. And I don't want hear what Al YUh think or what like Ms Cleo Al YUh see in the future.

average IQ of the thread just dropped 20 points

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

It is about 2 hours now and I want begging, waiting for someone to tell I am most Guyanese what they know, they can site or witnessed to CONVINCE us that the PNC today is different from the one in the 80's. Ow Papa we want to give everyone a FAIR chance. It is a simple question I hope. WE are willing and anxious to work will all sides BUT PLEASE, answer our simple question. And I don't want hear what Al YUh think or what like Ms Cleo Al YUh see in the future.

average IQ of the thread just dropped 20 points

Get off the thread and it will increase 40 points.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

It is about 2 hours now and I want begging, waiting for someone to tell I am most Guyanese what they know, they can site or witnessed to CONVINCE us that the PNC today is different from the one in the 80's. Ow Papa we want to give everyone a FAIR chance. It is a simple question I hope. WE are willing and anxious to work will all sides BUT PLEASE, answer our simple question. And I don't want hear what Al YUh think or what like Ms Cleo Al YUh see in the future.

average IQ of the thread just dropped 20 points

Get off the thread and it will increase 40 points.

Dat Crabdaag don't know better, don't expect him to be any different!!! A PIECE OF RAW SEWAGE like dat must be put to   his rightful place: THE SEWRER!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

It is about 2 hours now and I want begging, waiting for someone to tell I am most Guyanese what they know, they can site or witnessed to CONVINCE us that the PNC today is different from the one in the 80's. Ow Papa we want to give everyone a FAIR chance. It is a simple question I hope. WE are willing and anxious to work will all sides BUT PLEASE, answer our simple question. And I don't want hear what Al YUh think or what like Ms Cleo Al YUh see in the future.

average IQ of the thread just dropped 20 points

Get off the thread and it will increase 40 points.

hey punk antiman, aren't u supposed to be busy on a conjugal visit somewhere begging sum imprisoned drug lord to MURDER me?

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

It is about 2 hours now and I want begging, waiting for someone to tell I am most Guyanese what they know, they can site or witnessed to CONVINCE us that the PNC today is different from the one in the 80's. Ow Papa we want to give everyone a FAIR chance. It is a simple question I hope. WE are willing and anxious to work will all sides BUT PLEASE, answer our simple question. And I don't want hear what Al YUh think or what like Ms Cleo Al YUh see in the future.

For a smart person you can be very confusing. It is pellucid that history cannot repeat itself in the same way except in controlled experiments. The Present PNC exists in a completely different social ethos. 

 

We are in a democracy. The national demographics means they can win without Indian Support. There is no on going cold war with Communist/Capitalist dichotomy. The population is more politically sophisticated an information that took weeks to percolate to the villages get there in under a minute. For these and many other reasons the PNC is not the same as the one that existed in the dictatorship.

 

Most of its members do not know that era. That they are blamed for it is the curse and the dog whistle being used by the PPP. It keeps the idea of the black boogieman on the front burner rather than questions as to what makes for sound honest democratic government. Every time those questions get asked the PPP are on their ass because they are a plague of corruption 

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:

such nonsense

 

where is the reciprocal call for a PPP "apology"?

 

one remembers Raphael Trotman apologizing . . . where is the dividend?

 

for y'all . . . this man of mixed race remains eternal blackman, eternal PNC, eternally cursed, unfit!

 

spare me the apology foolishness which only seems to interest those PPP 'clever' bais of a certain age making sure that the PNC-as-bogeyman flame burns brightly for a generation of Indians who knew not Burnham . . . and otherwise couldn't care less

Don't you know that in Guyana blacks are always the devils and Indians the angels?

 

Yes Burnham was a racist and he did tremendous damage to Guyana, but what of Janet Jagan who was no better?  Its was her blatant anti black behavior in the 1960s which facilitated the growth of a race based PNC.  When Burnham left the PPP not every black left with him.  Eusi Kwayana being an example.  But it was the behavior of the PPP which chased most of them out.  Eusi Kwayana has spoken out about the behavior of the PPP and its supporters in 1961.  People need not be surprised at the backlash which occurred in 1962/63.

 

So we need and apology from BOTH the PPP and the PNC for their contribution to Guyana's political morass.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Kari:
O

Chief said it well. The adversarial position of yours Redux is not helpful to your cause,.

Every thing in your babble is about making Indians comfortable.  Well did you ever think that if blacks don't trust you what ever you plan will not work?  When last I checked Indians and blacks were two large minority groups in Guyana.

 

 

The PNC has a problem and that is it simultaneously has to be an opposition party, and to indicate to its grass roots base that it will defend their interests.  Every thing that I have seen suggests that these people are as badly off as they have ever been.

 

No put this in your pipe as you smoke.

 

There is a growing ideology which suggests that Burnham was a hero who defended black people, and  that any attempt to say otherwise is an attempt to disenfranchise them.  Understand something further.  The PPP has been around for 22 years.  Many younger black Guyanese don't remember the Burnham era, and so look at it as a time when blacks were better off.

 

Ignore this at your peril because these are the people who will come out on the road and set it afire and black all economic activity.\

 

So continue to believe that you can ignore black people and their concerns and fears as you seek solutions for Guyana.

 

 

And please don't think that because you have a few black friends that you are an expert on AfroGuyanese!  There are many conversations which are occurring which you aren't privvy to.

FM
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Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by Kari:

The PPP has the upper hand as long as we're in this mindset and they're laughing all the way to the bank, lirterally.

Nice one Kari!!!

So let them. What should concern you is the growing disenfranchised and impoverished people from places like Agricola, Linden, and many parts of G/twn who see every Indian as a PPP and therefore as a source of their problems.

 

So continue to think that appeasing Indians is the only issue that Guyana has to face.  Guyana is headed into a direction long trodden by Jamaica where there are emerging "no go" areas.  Given our limited road infrastructure there are elements who can block activity and bring every thing crashing, and if you send the GDF to shoot them down you might make it even worse.

 

So I will suggest to you that strategizing about what to do about our increasing African underclass is an issue vital for Guyana's security. Feel free to call me a racist for warning you about this, but that doesn't change the facts. 

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
. It is the same reason Caribj and I are at odds. He also asks for apologies for Indian prejudices.

Please don't twist my comments.  My demands are made in reaction to baseman and now Kari. He sees the solution in appeasing Indians based on his narrative.  I am saying that there is another narrative so if we go on a demand for apologies than BOTH need to apologize.

 

On no occasion have I ever demanded that Indians apologize without reciprocal behavior from blacks.

 

There is a narrative in Guyana based on the "evil black man", and the "saintly Indian".  Until we dump this nonsense there will be NO cooperation because there will be no trust.

 

Sadly so many buy into the "evil black man" notion, that should an Afro Guyanese suggest that Indians are equally guilty of racism he is damned a racist. Eric Phillips, David Hinds and many others can testify to this.

FM
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Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by redux:
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more nonsense

 

it is y'all who have designed and 'created' the "trap"

 

let me be clear . . . what y'all are really calling for is an apology by Afro-Guyanese to Indo-Guyanese and, given our history, THAT is truly offensive!

 

and, as to "leave the PPP out of this" . . . u have clean lost your freakin mind!

So be it!!!

 

You are subscribing to  the cruel cycle of " It's awwee time now"

I bet you cant tell me why redux's response to Kari's demands, endorsed by you that Afro Guyanese must apologize to Indians is "awwee time now"? 

 

It is certain not "ahwe time now" in the many impoverished black communities in Guyana, nor is it for the many black professionals who have been forced to flee Guyana because of the blatant racism against them.  Yes when an Indian employer touches his head and then says "is not Burnham time now".

 

 

As we speak the excesses of the Burnham era against Indians is being replicated against blacks.  So why should black people apologize.  And given our race based politics when you say that one party or another should apologize this is what you are actually saying, whether this is your intent or not.

FM
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