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Former Member
To the scumbag Parasite Iguana, Our parents were barefoot , so they can save the money and help their Indos children built a life... you no good mother fkers.
Blame your own who choose to spend on expensive garments and party their lives out and they are bankrupt the next day.
Former Member
i truly doubt he was talking about people like Leonora and Django
yuh seem desperate "Dave" bai
not a good look for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Barefoot refugee Indians. Got to say I'm learning a lot of new terminology here. Amral you might want to consider turning over this site to an education institution. People could learn new things.
The first time I wore shoe was on a school trip to Bartica, so uncomfortabe, it hung around my neck once I got into the ferry at Parika, the whole time. Even the Black fellas was barefooted back then too.
Iguana, trying to paint himself as uppity. Just reading him, the venom in his thinking demonstrates his unbringing. Black folks in the villages used sey a person is brought up well or dragged up angry.
The Book James expresses profoundly about the use of words.
Billions of people of all races walk around barefooted, only Iguana had shoes since birth. Nasty chap along with the Other One, both angry bruddahs.
Former Member
ronan posted:i truly doubt he was talking about people like Leonora and Django
yuh seem desperate "Dave" bai
not a good look for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Someone is instigating them to unleash a GNI race riot because things are not going their way. In Guyana everyone goes about their business and there is no race war. These cyber warriors need to watch their language; Admins allow Dave to curse like a drunk.
Former Member
ronan posted:i truly doubt he was talking about people like Leonora and Django
yuh seem desperate "Dave" bai
not a good look for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Try again Thomas!! the damage is done, those words it will be a morning reminder.
What is GNI race riot? Aren't most of the conversations on this site about race?
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Leonora posted:ronan posted:i truly doubt he was talking about people like Leonora and Django
yuh seem desperate "Dave" bai
not a good look for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Someone is instigating them to unleash a GNI race riot because things are not going their way. In Guyana everyone goes about their business and there is no race war. These cyber warriors need to watch their language; Admins allow Dave to curse like a drunk.
No one need to instigate me. I would not be bully like how you PM me to attack Bibi.. and I recall you did the same with KP... thatâs what you call cyber bully.
Former Member
Hey hey hey...Naaaa...Indos and coolies can do good even under discrimination, jim crow and apartheid. Hey hey hey. Blackman own house and property in Jim Crow time...Coolie can do same...remember yuh state in life is 60% CHOICE and 40% society obstacle. Guyana coolies and Indos doan get affirmative action. Me niece dem get perfect SAT score and UPenn and dem Ivy (like we gurl Miss Ivy
) seh how ayoo privilige and brown. Imagine dem wite liberal sk&%^ts telling abie privilege. Hey hey hey. Dem parent dem pay de full ride. Dem gurls is MD and MD/professah now. Is CHOICE...min 60% CHOICE...dem conservative wite man right bout dis choice ting...
Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Naaaa...Indos and coolies can do good even under discrimination, jim crow and apartheid. Hey hey hey. Blackman own house and property in Jim Crow time...Coolie can do same...remember yuh state in life is 60% CHOICE and 40% society obstacle. Guyana coolies and Indos doan get affirmative action. Me niece dem get perfect SAT score and UPenn and dem Ivy (like we gurl Miss Ivy
Life is 100% choice. When the society obstacle or any other obstacle appears, Choose to go elsewhere. There is always a choice.
Dave posted:Leonora posted:ronan posted:i truly doubt he was talking about people like Leonora and Django
yuh seem desperate "Dave" bai
not a good look for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Someone is instigating them to unleash a GNI race riot because things are not going their way. In Guyana everyone goes about their business and there is no race war. These cyber warriors need to watch their language; Admins allow Dave to curse like a drunk.
No one need to instigate me. I would not be bully like how you PM me to attack Bibi.. and I recall you did the same with KP... thatâs what you call cyber bully.
She PM several people to attack me. Looks like she is trying to form a GNI cult. Two or three have already drank her Cool Aid. Evil manifests itself in many forms.
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Dave posted:ronan posted:i truly doubt he was talking about people like Leonora and Django
yuh seem desperate "Dave" bai
not a good look for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Try again Thomas!! the damage is done, those words it will be a morning reminder.
ow . . . looko this ignorant, PUBLIC bigot "Dave" reaching beyond his IQ for 'moral' high ground
lol
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Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Naaaa...Indos and coolies can do good even under discrimination, jim crow and apartheid. Hey hey hey. Blackman own house and property in Jim Crow time...Coolie can do same...remember yuh state in life is 60% CHOICE and 40% society obstacle. Guyana coolies and Indos doan get affirmative action. Me niece dem get perfect SAT score and UPenn and dem Ivy (like we gurl Miss Ivy
That is my long standing argument. Too many people continue to hang on to the excuse crutch and in my opinion, it has prevented them from achieving their potential. I remember wondering if my name would affect my situation after nine eleven but I decided that I am already a Muslim and cannot do anything about that. But I continue to do the right thing and can firmly state that I don't remember feeling any backlash from that terrible event. I didn't allow myself to use the blowback as an excuse crutch.
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ksazma posted:That is my long standing argument. Too many people continue to hang on to the excuse crutch and in my opinion, it has prevented them from achieving their potential. I remember wondering if my name would affect my situation after nine eleven but I decided that I am already a Muslim and cannot do anything about that. But I continue to do the right thing and can firmly state that I don't remember feeling any backlash from that terrible event. I didn't allow myself to use the blowback as an excuse crutch.
naaah . . . your long standing 'argument' is the following, i quote:
"Black people are the scourge of the earth"
own it like proudly like you did not so long ago
coward is not a good fitting skirt for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Former Member
Dave posted:To the scumbag Parasite Iguana, Our parents were barefoot , so they can save the money and help their Indos children built a life... you no good mother fkers.
Blame your own who choose to spend on expensive garments and party their lives out and they are bankrupt the next day.
I think parasites are those who scam their customers...dont you think? Be mindful of projecting your sins.
I do not know black children are less loved than Indian children. In Guyana, t he reality is that blach children were the better educated.
Using the injustices heaped against black people in North America as your template to suggest you are better is sad. You need to ask why your dalit brothers and sisters in India still participate in communal shitting and live at the bottom of the class structure. I am sure even in your pond like shallowness you could see you escaped that 6000 year shit pile because you got the chance.
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Dave posted:
Sad but true. Every Indian Kid I went to school with were barefeet. I actually hid my shoes because I wanted to fit in. Instead of taking it to be an insult you need to cherish the where you were to how far you come. Don't think it was on your own volition.
Former Member
Leonora posted:ronan posted:i truly doubt he was talking about people like Leonora and Django
yuh seem desperate "Dave" bai
not a good look for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Someone is instigating them to unleash a GNI race riot because things are not going their way. In Guyana everyone goes about their business and there is no race war. These cyber warriors need to watch their language; Admins allow Dave to curse like a drunk.
It is sad. It makes me always cherish people like Errol who rose above this shit pile and whose children now make a difference. I will let you know who dave is and you will understand what a fraud he is.
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Stormborn posted:Dave posted:To the scumbag Parasite Iguana, Our parents were barefoot , so they can save the money and help their Indos children built a life... you no good mother fkers.
Blame your own who choose to spend on expensive garments and party their lives out and they are bankrupt the next day.
I think parasites are those who scam their customers...dont you think? Be mindful of projecting your sins.
I do not know black children are less loved than Indian children. In Guyana, t he reality is that blach children were the better educated.
Using the injustices heaped against black people in North America as your template to suggest you are better is sad. You need to ask why your dalit brothers and sisters in India still participate in communal shitting and live at the bottom of the class structure. I am sure even in your pond like shallowness you could see you escaped that 6000 year shit pile because you got the chance.
I see the cap fit you.
Former Member
Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Naaaa...Indos and coolies can do good even under discrimination, jim crow and apartheid. Hey hey hey. Blackman own house and property in Jim Crow time...Coolie can do same...remember yuh state in life is 60% CHOICE and 40% society obstacle. Guyana coolies and Indos doan get affirmative action. Me niece dem get perfect SAT score and UPenn and dem Ivy (like we gurl Miss Ivy
It does not matter if some black people owned homes or Natives were land owners etc. It matter that Jim Crow was the template for the Nuremberg laws. It matters that it was the violence and the injustice meted out on millions of people on whose backs and through whose spilled blood we gain what is available today.
Conservatism as it currently is projected is a disease. Baldwin said the individuals one should most fear for their personal safety is the conservative Christian. They are the devils kin where colored people are concerned. Read Sonny's Blues for what made Sunny played the blues and his ivy league brother could never grasp. If you are TK I definitely think you should read it and take it to heart. If it cannot save you then see ya!
Ivy League does not confer immediate benefaction. Going there can also make you acutely aware of the entrenched structures of discrimination that exists in this land. It is white privileged at its solar maximum. And perfect SAT scores do not mean bright. It often means the perfectly indoctrinated/acculturated kid and not the creative, curious and potential genius kid who will make a difference to the world
Former Member
Dave posted:Stormborn posted:Dave posted:To the scumbag Parasite Iguana, Our parents were barefoot , so they can save the money and help their Indos children built a life... you no good mother fkers.
Blame your own who choose to spend on expensive garments and party their lives out and they are bankrupt the next day.
I think parasites are those who scam their customers...dont you think? Be mindful of projecting your sins.
I do not know black children are less loved than Indian children. In Guyana, t he reality is that blach children were the better educated.
Using the injustices heaped against black people in North America as your template to suggest you are better is sad. You need to ask why your dalit brothers and sisters in India still participate in communal shitting and live at the bottom of the class structure. I am sure even in your pond like shallowness you could see you escaped that 6000 year shit pile because you got the chance.
I see the cap fit you.
In your crooked imagination only. People like you are doomed to live in the twilight, never knowing the real world . You will never see the full spectrum of the sunlight ever
seignet posted:The first time I wore shoe was on a school trip to Bartica, so uncomfortabe, it hung around my neck once I got into the ferry at Parika, the whole time. Even the Black fellas was barefooted back then too.
Iguana, trying to paint himself as uppity. Just reading him, the venom in his thinking demonstrates his unbringing. Black folks in the villages used sey a person is brought up well or dragged up angry.
The Book James expresses profoundly about the use of words.
Billions of people of all races walk around barefooted, only Iguana had shoes since birth. Nasty chap along with the Other One, both angry bruddahs.
My first shoe was a hand me down from one of my cousins, it was too tight and gave it back to my aunt, it came in handy my younger cousins. Around when i was 14 yrs, on a school tour to the Botanic gardens, my mom bought a white yachting boots, that's all she could afford, i cherished and keep that foot wear for a long time.
You are probably correct, Iguiana may have grown up uppity, he needs to tone down. Trying to get back at the guys who are condescending to Afro-Guyanese, which is not acceptable. He is getting himself muddy just like them with some of his descriptions of Indo-Guyanese. In the early days over 90 percent of kids in the country areas walked bare foot to schools.
Nothing to be ashamed about walking barefoot, many countries in the world people are doing such.
Former Member
Stormborn posted:Dave posted:Stormborn posted:Dave posted:To the scumbag Parasite Iguana, Our parents were barefoot , so they can save the money and help their Indos children built a life... you no good mother fkers.
Blame your own who choose to spend on expensive garments and party their lives out and they are bankrupt the next day.
I think parasites are those who scam their customers...dont you think? Be mindful of projecting your sins.
I do not know black children are less loved than Indian children. In Guyana, t he reality is that blach children were the better educated.
Using the injustices heaped against black people in North America as your template to suggest you are better is sad. You need to ask why your dalit brothers and sisters in India still participate in communal shitting and live at the bottom of the class structure. I am sure even in your pond like shallowness you could see you escaped that 6000 year shit pile because you got the chance.
I see the cap fit you.
In your crooked imagination only. People like you are doomed to live in the twilight, never knowing the real world . You will never see the full spectrum of the sunlight ever
Keep dreaming Jackass. I enjoy a happy life and provide to the less fortunate. I hope that bicycle pole sticks up your arss the next time you venture outside.
Have you finished digging the hole to isolate your life..
Dave posted:Leonora posted:ronan posted:i truly doubt he was talking about people like Leonora and Django
yuh seem desperate "Dave" bai
not a good look for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Someone is instigating them to unleash a GNI race riot because things are not going their way. In Guyana everyone goes about their business and there is no race war. These cyber warriors need to watch their language; Admins allow Dave to curse like a drunk.
No one need to instigate me. I would not be bully like how you PM me to attack Bibi.. and I recall you did the same with KP... thatâs what you call cyber bully.
Damn you acting like a sissy !!! you mouth like to run and can't be trusted.
PM = Private Message , hope fully you know what that mean.
Former Member
If I was Amral...I would shut this place down...just becoming a hotbed for people with race constantly on their minds
Even with a new site, If some of these people are on there...they will continue with the same nonsense
no fun coming on here anymore...
Former Member
Ray posted:just becoming a hotbed for people with race constantly on their minds
no fun coming on here anymore...
you need to place blame
you are Admin . . . everybody knows who the culprits are
i suspect that were the reaction of the few self-identified Afro posters and a trickling of fair-minded others here not so fierce, this would not be a 'problem'
Former Member
This is not about me...it's about some of the people who post on here...grown men who act like real dolts
Anyway...I done say my piece
Former Member
Dave posted:Stormborn posted:Dave posted:Stormborn posted:Dave posted:To the scumbag Parasite Iguana, Our parents were barefoot , so they can save the money and help their Indos children built a life... you no good mother fkers.
Blame your own who choose to spend on expensive garments and party their lives out and they are bankrupt the next day.
I think parasites are those who scam their customers...dont you think? Be mindful of projecting your sins.
I do not know black children are less loved than Indian children. In Guyana, t he reality is that blach children were the better educated.
Using the injustices heaped against black people in North America as your template to suggest you are better is sad. You need to ask why your dalit brothers and sisters in India still participate in communal shitting and live at the bottom of the class structure. I am sure even in your pond like shallowness you could see you escaped that 6000 year shit pile because you got the chance.
I see the cap fit you.
In your crooked imagination only. People like you are doomed to live in the twilight, never knowing the real world . You will never see the full spectrum of the sunlight ever
Keep dreaming Jackass. I enjoy a happy life and provide to the less fortunate. I hope that bicycle pole sticks up your arss the next time you venture outside.
Have you finished digging the hole to isolate your life..
The stick in the ass metaphor you and Ugli love to deploy speaks to what bothers you folks. You cannot get beyond the limits of your own mind and that is not far. I think you should read Voltaire's "The good Brahmin" there is a character there that is happy; an old lady. You are that, contented in your own ignorance.
The Guanas, Ronans of the World were TRAINED to be RACIST, even before they were born all they were hearing was :C@@!^# Dis and C@@!# dat". These Parasites to Humanity will forever live in misery!!!
ksazma posted:Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Naaaa...Indos and coolies can do good even under discrimination, jim crow and apartheid. Hey hey hey. Blackman own house and property in Jim Crow time...Coolie can do same...remember yuh state in life is 60% CHOICE and 40% society obstacle. Guyana coolies and Indos doan get affirmative action. Me niece dem get perfect SAT score and UPenn and dem Ivy (like we gurl Miss Ivy
That is my long standing argument. Too many people continue to hang on to the excuse crutch and in my opinion, it has prevented them from achieving their potential. I remember wondering if my name would affect my situation after nine eleven but I decided that I am already a Muslim and cannot do anything about that. But I continue to do the right thing and can firmly state that I don't remember feeling any backlash from that terrible event. I didn't allow myself to use the blowback as an excuse crutch.
A person born in a chicken cob, does not make that person a chicken.
Former Member
Bibi Haniffa posted:Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Naaaa...Indos and coolies can do good even under discrimination, jim crow and apartheid. Hey hey hey. Blackman own house and property in Jim Crow time...Coolie can do same...remember yuh state in life is 60% CHOICE and 40% society obstacle. Guyana coolies and Indos doan get affirmative action. Me niece dem get perfect SAT score and UPenn and dem Ivy (like we gurl Miss Ivy
Life is 100% choice. When the society obstacle or any other obstacle appears, Choose to go elsewhere. There is always a choice.
Cyant be full 100%. If yuh doan in political circle in Guyana yuh career success less dan one of dem peopkle who born into political royalty. Similar foh Merika but really foh politics. But dem black peopkle face serious discriminate an oppression. Me point is blackman still own tings in dem days.
Ray posted:If I was Amral...I would shut this place down...just becoming a hotbed for people with race constantly on their minds
Even with a new site, If some of these people are on there...they will continue with the same nonsense
no fun coming on here anymore...
ligthen up. all dis iz not fuh real. iz fun. when i was lil we had a ting called rhyming-like todays rap. we gather up, blacks, indoes and douglas back of Ritz Cinema, juss before we set off running to Cotton Tree School. we rhyme about one another mother and all sorts of personal stuff. from time to time, it get so hot, guys flare up. dem black fellas gat bad and short temper, the indians tek it cool and level the taunting to art form-i think that is wah gweing on here. i enjoy Ronan lines, dem is interesting, when i meet up wid him he gaon have to fill me in on his creativity with dem words and sort of sentences. the douglas on the other hand were able to hangout wid us.
Dem days that we were juss children doing things together, jump in the sidelines, pick waterniuts, steal Mr. Muffy mangoes whose real name was Mr. Murphy.
After all the swearing and tauting we all run to school. Lunch time we wait fuh one another and run home fuh lunch. In the afternoon after school, we walk on the sea defense dam looking for fish, crabs and birds. At times words mek a fight happen.
I doan consider wah happens here racists. For me, I know what some blacks think of Indians and I know how some Indians think too. If some black skont goan tell me something bad about me race, believe me I know plenty to tell he skont. If he want to fight, i nah going to run away.
I remember wah, the Black Villager told me, doan be fretting, jumping here and there. Just doan get hit, dodge and dodge. Control your breathing. Allow your opponent to wear himself out. At no time show fear. All yuh need iz one punch, stomach or nose but never the groin. Wallah, one punch, the aim create severe pains suh there is no chance of the opponent ever think he goan mount a challenge after the blow.
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Seig...dis time nah lang time
We have Social media now...I don't think I have to explain
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Stormborn posted:Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Naaaa...Indos and coolies can do good even under discrimination, jim crow and apartheid. Hey hey hey. Blackman own house and property in Jim Crow time...Coolie can do same...remember yuh state in life is 60% CHOICE and 40% society obstacle. Guyana coolies and Indos doan get affirmative action. Me niece dem get perfect SAT score and UPenn and dem Ivy (like we gurl Miss Ivy
It does not matter if some black people owned homes or Natives were land owners etc. It matter that Jim Crow was the template for the Nuremberg laws. It matters that it was the violence and the injustice meted out on millions of people on whose backs and through whose spilled blood we gain what is available today.
Conservatism as it currently is projected is a disease. Baldwin said the individuals one should most fear for their personal safety is the conservative Christian. They are the devils kin where colored people are concerned. Read Sonny's Blues for what made Sunny played the blues and his ivy league brother could never grasp. If you are TK I definitely think you should read it and take it to heart. If it cannot save you then see ya!
Ivy League does not confer immediate benefaction. Going there can also make you acutely aware of the entrenched structures of discrimination that exists in this land. It is white privileged at its solar maximum. And perfect SAT scores do not mean bright. It often means the perfectly indoctrinated/acculturated kid and not the creative, curious and potential genius kid who will make a difference to the world
Budday...Meh Fren...everybady know SAT and Ivy doan always seh who is good and who is lemon. Yuh miss de point. Me give wan on de ground example of peopkle owning property in discrimination. Tek 7 guyanese example me know. 7 brothers. Dem come Merika from 1966 to 1973. Dem bais face discriminate. Two want be teacha...two want wuk bank and finance..two want office wuk. Dem man face face discriminate. But nothing. Dem mek de choice dem will wuk factory. Dem save and band dem belly and buy few property a Jamaica and Richmon Hill. Dem white Irish and Italian who flighting from de area sell cheap and dem black skin bais from Guyana buy. Today some of dem bais livin on rent. Only one brother mek it to CPA. All de other was labor but dem each own few property in de face of discriminate. 60% choice, 40% social.
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Labba posted:Stormborn posted:Labba posted:Hey hey hey...Naaaa...Indos and coolies can do good even under discrimination, jim crow and apartheid. Hey hey hey. Blackman own house and property in Jim Crow time...Coolie can do same...remember yuh state in life is 60% CHOICE and 40% society obstacle. Guyana coolies and Indos doan get affirmative action. Me niece dem get perfect SAT score and UPenn and dem Ivy (like we gurl Miss Ivy
It does not matter if some black people owned homes or Natives were land owners etc. It matter that Jim Crow was the template for the Nuremberg laws. It matters that it was the violence and the injustice meted out on millions of people on whose backs and through whose spilled blood we gain what is available today.
Conservatism as it currently is projected is a disease. Baldwin said the individuals one should most fear for their personal safety is the conservative Christian. They are the devils kin where colored people are concerned. Read Sonny's Blues for what made Sunny played the blues and his ivy league brother could never grasp. If you are TK I definitely think you should read it and take it to heart. If it cannot save you then see ya!
Ivy League does not confer immediate benefaction. Going there can also make you acutely aware of the entrenched structures of discrimination that exists in this land. It is white privileged at its solar maximum. And perfect SAT scores do not mean bright. It often means the perfectly indoctrinated/acculturated kid and not the creative, curious and potential genius kid who will make a difference to the world
Budday...Meh Fren...everybady know SAT and Ivy doan always seh who is good and who is lemon. Yuh miss de point. Me give wan on de ground example of peopkle owning property in discrimination. Tek 7 guyanese example me know. 7 brothers. Dem come Merika from 1966 to 1973. Dem bais face discriminate. Two want be teacha...two want wuk bank and finance..two want office wuk. Dem man face face discriminate. But nothing. Dem mek de choice dem will wuk factory. Dem save and band dem belly and buy few property a Jamaica and Richmon Hill. Dem white Irish and Italian who flighting from de area sell cheap and dem black skin bais from Guyana buy. Today some of dem bais livin on rent. Only one brother mek it to CPA. All de other was labor but dem each own few property in de face of discriminate. 60% choice, 40% social.
I am reminded of Rev Gary Davis's "Death don't have no mercy in this land" and I extend that to the reality for many poor whites and blacks. Poverty creates no choice in this land. I cannot imagine someone making minimum wage and living in a slum ever having the choice to say, "I will move and make it". This is a horrible place for poor people stuck in the wasteland of supermarket deserts and abandoned by financial institutions, the education system, law etc ( many small towns) and expect them still maintaining hope they can buy food and pay rent and send their kids to college. The choices are limited.
You and I may come from the third world but we do not grasp what it is to be broken in body and spirit and to continue to hope for better. I am surprised always and pay homage to those who escape the poverty trap in the ghetto and I dare say it is often by happenstance and never because they chose to do so. If they did it means that others chose to remain and that is nonsense.
We cannot use ourselves as examples. I lived in the dorm and in summer I did not have a place to live so I put my clothes in a gym locker, shower t here and sleep in the student center or library or with girlfriends and was quite happy. Often we took the time to scramble together some cash and take off for Europe where we spend the three months on the trains, sleeping in youth hostels or again with girlfriends and in short order we are expert at surviving. I never lost hope or was broken in spirit. Life was always adventure.
Few ghetto kids ever make it out without the justice system grabbing them, gangs conscripting them, drugs snaring them or a bullet catching them. Their world view is not our own. We were never broken and too dumb to be afraid of anything and for us we our "ghetto" was our doting mom hollering for us to come and eat dinner. Our high school life was not dodging bullets of being lured by the streets. It was lazy evenings sitting on a bridge smoking, talking about our girlfriends and sipping on a banks and fixing our bikes and motor bicycles.
I know RH well since I spent some 10 years there trying to "rescue" family and friends form their get rich schemes of buying property and hoping to make it. Very few are living with their heads above the water. Many are struggling through life hoping to make the mortgage payment by converting the basement to livable space. Ahmad et all are those crooks who conned them into buying with get rich schemes and most are high and dry. UGli speak of Schenectady and anyone from RH know the scams there. Most of the property purchased there will end up making the owners poor. RH has a mean income of 25k!
America metes out it violence against colored people in various ways. Ask any who live ib RH about the burgeoning Rikers population of poor Indian boys. I know a few. Very few children of first generation Guyanese ever make it to college. It is why the Indians from India hold us in contempt and as oner GOPIO president mentioned Guyanese Indians "are lazy, uncreative, not bright and not on par" pedigree wise to "real" Indians. We to them is what the balahoo Brahmin usually say with contempt, "chamars" ( and I know what the word means) but worse.
There is no choice operating to get anyone out of the ghetto. It is only with luck. some social safety net, some NGO or the kid is a sports freak.
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Stormy, you have it wrong. Those people who bought properties are laughing all the way to the Bank. The worst 1 family House in RH is going for 500000US.
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Nehru posted:Stormy, you have it wrong. Those people who bought properties are laughing all the way to the Bank. The worst 1 family House in RH is going for 500000US.
It's the land that's really worth most of that 500K. I remember the pandits fighting up for the land the temples were sitting on.
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Nehru posted:Stormy, you have it wrong. Those people who bought properties are laughing all the way to the Bank. The worst 1 family House in RH is going for 500000US.
I know what they go for. I also know what it is for a family earning 25k to pay the mortgage. I live in an area where the median income is 150k and where the streets are clean, where there are open spaces and biking trails and good schools and lots of play grounds and were homes are 450k for 1600 sq feet on average and who do you think is living the better life? Add to that every name brand store is here and shopping for anything is a walk away....and I am not talking of vegetable seconds from the Chinese vegetable market. It is a problem of knowing when to laugh and what you are banking..your misery or your happy life. BTW we do have the multi million dollar mansions as well. Here are our neighborhoods
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Hey D2, Discovery Channel moved from their huge bldg. in downtown Silver Spring. The bldg. was built for them and they were there about 20 years. Do you know who will occupy the bldg. now?
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Stormborn posted:Nehru posted:Stormy, you have it wrong. Those people who bought properties are laughing all the way to the Bank. The worst 1 family House in RH is going for 500000US.
I know what they go for. I also know what it is for a family earning 25k to pay the mortgage. I live in an area where the median income is 150k and where the streets are clean, where there are open spaces and biking trails and good schools and lots of play grounds and were homes are 450k for 1600 sq feet on average and who do you think is living the better life? Add to that every name brand store is here and shopping for anything is a walk away....and I am not talking of vegetable seconds from the Chinese vegetable market. It is a problem of knowing when to laugh and what you are banking..your misery or your happy life. BTW we do have the multi million dollar mansions as well. Here are our neighborhoods
Clearly a person on a dollar store clerk salary cannot afford to live in these neighborhoods unless their spouse is a sugar mammy.
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Leonora posted:Hey D2, Discovery Channel moved from their huge bldg. in downtown Silver Spring. The bldg. was built for them and they were there about 20 years. Do you know who will occupy the bldg. now?
I really do not know. Silver Springs used to be my old stomping grounds but now I am by where you work...a mile away. It is paradise here...no crime...everything local
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Drugb posted:Stormborn posted:Nehru posted:Stormy, you have it wrong. Those people who bought properties are laughing all the way to the Bank. The worst 1 family House in RH is going for 500000US.
I know what they go for. I also know what it is for a family earning 25k to pay the mortgage. I live in an area where the median income is 150k and where the streets are clean, where there are open spaces and biking trails and good schools and lots of play grounds and were homes are 450k for 1600 sq feet on average and who do you think is living the better life? Add to that every name brand store is here and shopping for anything is a walk away....and I am not talking of vegetable seconds from the Chinese vegetable market. It is a problem of knowing when to laugh and what you are banking..your misery or your happy life. BTW we do have the multi million dollar mansions as well. Here are our neighborhoods
Clearly a person on a dollar store clerk salary cannot afford to live in these neighborhoods unless their spouse is a sugar mammy.
She cannot be much of a sugar mammy if I am supposedly working at a dollar store! I also bet you wish that poor kindergarten teacher was into the big bucks so you can ease up on chasing the green - nine to five! Sorry for your misfortune
Labba posted:Budday...Meh Fren...everybady know SAT and Ivy doan always seh who is good and who is lemon. Yuh miss de point. Me give wan on de ground example of peopkle owning property in discrimination. Tek 7 guyanese example me know. 7 brothers. Dem come Merika from 1966 to 1973. Dem bais face discriminate. Two want be teacha...two want wuk bank and finance..two want office wuk. Dem man face face discriminate. But nothing. Dem mek de choice dem will wuk factory. Dem save and band dem belly and buy few property a Jamaica and Richmon Hill. Dem white Irish and Italian who flighting from de area sell cheap and dem black skin bais from Guyana buy. Today some of dem bais livin on rent. Only one brother mek it to CPA. All de other was labor but dem each own few property in de face of discriminate. 60% choice, 40% social.
There are some fundamental issues in this country that are difficult for some people to grasp. I was once good friends with an Afro American co-worker who grew up in the projects in Jamaica, Queens. He confided to me once that he was like a rock-star to his family for being a network engineer because the ultimate ambition of most of his relatives is to get a job at the post office. Can you imagine the biggest thing you can aspire to is get a job at the post office? Superficially, it may seem like choice but the reality of centuries of enslavement, prejudice, discrimination, marginalization, red-lining, unequal opportunity, all the accompanying violence, and basically being beaten into believing your own inferiority is devastating. Do you really believe the discrimination the seven brothers faced can compare to anything that blacks face in America?
antabanta posted:Labba posted:Budday...Meh Fren...everybady know SAT and Ivy doan always seh who is good and who is lemon. Yuh miss de point. Me give wan on de ground example of peopkle owning property in discrimination. Tek 7 guyanese example me know. 7 brothers. Dem come Merika from 1966 to 1973. Dem bais face discriminate. Two want be teacha...two want wuk bank and finance..two want office wuk. Dem man face face discriminate. But nothing. Dem mek de choice dem will wuk factory. Dem save and band dem belly and buy few property a Jamaica and Richmon Hill. Dem white Irish and Italian who flighting from de area sell cheap and dem black skin bais from Guyana buy. Today some of dem bais livin on rent. Only one brother mek it to CPA. All de other was labor but dem each own few property in de face of discriminate. 60% choice, 40% social.
There are some fundamental issues in this country that are difficult for some people to grasp. I was once good friends with an Afro American co-worker who grew up in the projects in Jamaica, Queens. He confided to me once that he was like a rock-star to his family for being a network engineer because the ultimate ambition of most of his relatives is to get a job at the post office. Can you imagine the biggest thing you can aspire to is get a job at the post office? Superficially, it may seem like choice but the reality of centuries of enslavement, prejudice, discrimination, marginalization, red-lining, unequal opportunity, all the accompanying violence, and basically being beaten into believing your own inferiority is devastating. Do you really believe the discrimination the seven brothers faced can compare to anything that blacks face in America?
Christ free ppl from bondage. Ever see how Black ppl worship, they knows that better days are ahead. Black Christians really really knows what it is to be a believer in Christ. The world sees wordly things.
seignet posted:Christ free ppl from bondage. Ever see how Black ppl worship, they knows that better days are ahead. Black Christians really really knows what it is to be a believer in Christ. The world sees wordly things.
Open your eyes, my brother. Your belief keeps people in bondage. Fight the brainwashing.
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antabanta posted:There are some fundamental issues in this country that are difficult for some people to grasp. I was once good friends with an Afro American co-worker who grew up in the projects in Jamaica, Queens. He confided to me once that he was like a rock-star to his family for being a network engineer because the ultimate ambition of most of his relatives is to get a job at the post office. Can you imagine the biggest thing you can aspire to is get a job at the post office? Superficially, it may seem like choice but the reality of centuries of enslavement, prejudice, discrimination, marginalization, red-lining, unequal opportunity, all the accompanying violence, and basically being beaten into believing your own inferiority is devastating. Do you really believe the discrimination the seven brothers faced can compare to anything that blacks face in America?
You are reaching for race related excuses when it may not even be applicable. This to me is a class issue. It could be any race with the same aspiration if they came from the working class. There is always first to step out of the box. Don't paint with a broad brush, I suspect ronan and iguana would be on your case, viewing this analysis as an insult, if they were not in the slammer.
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Labba posted:Guyana coolies and Indos doan get affirmative action. Me niece dem get perfect SAT score and UPenn and dem Ivy (like we gurl Miss Ivy
Actually some of you all do. You check "black" or "other" and then add "Guyanese" and so you get added to those who get affirmative action.
Some even get college scholarships from black organizations.
Drugb posted:antabanta posted:There are some fundamental issues in this country that are difficult for some people to grasp. I was once good friends with an Afro American co-worker who grew up in the projects in Jamaica, Queens. He confided to me once that he was like a rock-star to his family for being a network engineer because the ultimate ambition of most of his relatives is to get a job at the post office. Can you imagine the biggest thing you can aspire to is get a job at the post office? Superficially, it may seem like choice but the reality of centuries of enslavement, prejudice, discrimination, marginalization, red-lining, unequal opportunity, all the accompanying violence, and basically being beaten into believing your own inferiority is devastating. Do you really believe the discrimination the seven brothers faced can compare to anything that blacks face in America?
You are reaching for race related excuses when it may not even be applicable. This to me is a class issue. It could be any race with the same aspiration if they came from the working class. There is always first to step out of the box. Don't paint with a broad brush, I suspect ronan and iguana would be on your case, viewing this analysis as an insult, if they were not in the slammer.
The class system in USA is primarily race-based. Excuses? The system of race-based repression in the US is not even debatable anymore. On what is your argument based?
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antabanta posted:Drugb posted:antabanta posted:There are some fundamental issues in this country that are difficult for some people to grasp. I was once good friends with an Afro American co-worker who grew up in the projects in Jamaica, Queens. He confided to me once that he was like a rock-star to his family for being a network engineer because the ultimate ambition of most of his relatives is to get a job at the post office. Can you imagine the biggest thing you can aspire to is get a job at the post office? Superficially, it may seem like choice but the reality of centuries of enslavement, prejudice, discrimination, marginalization, red-lining, unequal opportunity, all the accompanying violence, and basically being beaten into believing your own inferiority is devastating. Do you really believe the discrimination the seven brothers faced can compare to anything that blacks face in America?
You are reaching for race related excuses when it may not even be applicable. This to me is a class issue. It could be any race with the same aspiration if they came from the working class. There is always first to step out of the box. Don't paint with a broad brush, I suspect ronan and iguana would be on your case, viewing this analysis as an insult, if they were not in the slammer.
The class system in USA is primarily race-based. Excuses? The system of race-based repression in the US is not even debatable anymore. On what is your argument based?
Bannas you making erroneous assumptions, playing the race card fuh blacks when they don't need your help. It is a class issue, your one experience with a working class Jamaican does not warrant the claim of slavery and racism to have taken a toll on the entire black folks. You do gooders are actually providing a crutch where it is not needed. I know many whites, indos, hispanics who have similar stories. Their entire ancestry came from poverty and continue to be affected, the one that breaks out of the box and get lil education becomes the superstar. There is one prominent indo who has a similar story, starting with soldering certificate and trickling down to college degrees to offspring.
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caribny posted:Labba posted:Guyana coolies and Indos doan get affirmative action. Me niece dem get perfect SAT score and UPenn and dem Ivy (like we gurl Miss Ivy
Actually some of you all do. You check "black" or "other" and then add "Guyanese" and so you get added to those who get affirmative action.
Some even get college scholarships from black organizations.
Lies, you got confused watching, thinking it was an indo:
Soul Man is a 1986 American comedy film about a white man who takes tanning pills in order to pretend to be black and qualify for a black-only scholarship at Harvard Law School
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antabanta posted:You are reaching for race related excuses when it may not even be applicable. This to me is a class issue. It could be any race with the same aspiration if they came from the working class. There is always first to step out of the box. Don't paint with a broad brush, I suspect ronan and iguana would be on your case, viewing this analysis as an insult, if they were not in the slammer.The class system in USA is primarily race-based. Excuses? The system of race-based repression in the US is not even debatable anymore. On what is your argument based?
Spare him an answer. Schooling did little for his intellect.
Drugb posted:The class system in USA is primarily race-based. Excuses? The system of race-based repression in the US is not even debatable anymore. On what is your argument based?
Bannas you making erroneous assumptions, playing the race card fuh blacks when they don't need your help. It is a class issue, your one experience with a working class Jamaican does not warrant the claim of slavery and racism to have taken a toll on the entire black folks. You do gooders are actually providing a crutch where it is not needed. I know many whites, indos, hispanics who have similar stories. Their entire ancestry came from poverty and continue to be affected, the one that breaks out of the box and get lil education becomes the superstar. There is one prominent indo who has a similar story, starting with soldering certificate and trickling down to college degrees to offspring.
Jamaica, Queens. Reread my post. Please read a little. Maya Angelou, Toni Morrison, James Baldwin, Ralph Ellison. About class issue. Yes, it is a class issue. There are different ways of establishing classes in society. One is race. The class system in the US is primarily race-based. I'm a realist, not a do-gooder. I already established black people don't need anyone to do anything for them. They just need equal opportunity and less vicious prejudice. The stories of immigrants who came to the US with little or nothing and accumulated much are countless. Those stories do not mitigate the deplorable prejudice that Afro-Americans have been subjected to for centuries in one form or another.
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antabanta posted:Drugb posted:The class system in USA is primarily race-based. Excuses? The system of race-based repression in the US is not even debatable anymore. On what is your argument based?
Bannas you making erroneous assumptions, playing the race card fuh blacks when they don't need your help. It is a class issue, your one experience with a working class Jamaican does not warrant the claim of slavery and racism to have taken a toll on the entire black folks. You do gooders are actually providing a crutch where it is not needed. I know many whites, indos, hispanics who have similar stories. Their entire ancestry came from poverty and continue to be affected, the one that breaks out of the box and get lil education becomes the superstar. There is one prominent indo who has a similar story, starting with soldering certificate and trickling down to college degrees to offspring.
Jamaica, Queens. Reread my post. Please read a little. Maya Angelou, Toni Morrison, James Baldwin, Ralph Ellison. About class issue. Yes, it is a class issue. There are different ways of establishing classes in society. One is race. The class system in the US is primarily race-based. I'm a realist, not a do-gooder. I already established black people don't need anyone to do anything for them. They just need equal opportunity and less vicious prejudice. The stories of immigrants who came to the US with little or nothing and accumulated much are countless. Those stories do not mitigate the deplorable prejudice that Afro-Americans have been subjected to for centuries in one form or another.
Dude I am old enough to formulate my own opinions based on life experiences. Don't need to be brainwashed by the writing of others. Instead of using the past as a crutch, people need to forge ahead unrelenting. There is prejudice against many races not just Afros. In fact in Guyana these days we see Afros being the ones doling out the prejudice against Indos. Yet you and others are quiet.
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Stormborn posted:antabanta posted:You are reaching for race related excuses when it may not even be applicable. This to me is a class issue. It could be any race with the same aspiration if they came from the working class. There is always first to step out of the box. Don't paint with a broad brush, I suspect ronan and iguana would be on your case, viewing this analysis as an insult, if they were not in the slammer.The class system in USA is primarily race-based. Excuses? The system of race-based repression in the US is not even debatable anymore. On what is your argument based?
Spare him an answer. Schooling did little for his intellect.
Look who talking. If class system is race based then I suppose you are the exception, running away from the norm.
Drugb posted:Dude I am old enough to formulate my own opinions based on life experiences. Don't need to be brainwashed by the writing of others. Instead of using the past as a crutch, people need to forge ahead unrelenting. There is prejudice against many races not just Afros. In fact in Guyana these days we see Afros being the ones doling out the prejudice against Indos. Yet you and others are quiet.
The power of semantics. You are pre-conditioned to label the stories about Afro experience in the US as brainwashing despite the overwhelming evidence of the atrocities committed against them. Yes, you have been successfully brainwashed. The present is the cumulative result of the past. It's not a crutch. It's reality. The prejudice against many races is nothing compared to the prejudice against blacks in the US. The prejudice against Indos in Guyana is no more than the prejudice against blacks in Guyana. Might very well be less.
Not that many people in the world discredits reading. The authors I listed are celebrated for their writing.
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antabanta posted:Drugb posted:Dude I am old enough to formulate my own opinions based on life experiences. Don't need to be brainwashed by the writing of others. Instead of using the past as a crutch, people need to forge ahead unrelenting. There is prejudice against many races not just Afros. In fact in Guyana these days we see Afros being the ones doling out the prejudice against Indos. Yet you and others are quiet.
The power of semantics. You are pre-conditioned to label the stories about Afro experience in the US as brainwashing despite the overwhelming evidence of the atrocities committed against them. Yes, you have been successfully brainwashed. The present is the cumulative result of the past. It's not a crutch. It's reality. The prejudice against many races is nothing compared to the prejudice against blacks in the US. The prejudice against Indos in Guyana is no more than the prejudice against blacks in Guyana. Might very well be less.
Not that many people in the world discredits reading. The authors I listed are celebrated for their writing.
Let's put it this way, I don't have the patience or time to take on the problems of the entire world. Those of us who work hard for what we have achieved are fatigued by the sociologists who continue to provide a crutch for underachieving people. I got enough problems of my own to worry about Cribby and his excuses for lack of upward mobility.
Drugb posted:antabanta posted:Drugb posted:Dude I am old enough to formulate my own opinions based on life experiences. Don't need to be brainwashed by the writing of others. Instead of using the past as a crutch, people need to forge ahead unrelenting. There is prejudice against many races not just Afros. In fact in Guyana these days we see Afros being the ones doling out the prejudice against Indos. Yet you and others are quiet.
The power of semantics. You are pre-conditioned to label the stories about Afro experience in the US as brainwashing despite the overwhelming evidence of the atrocities committed against them. Yes, you have been successfully brainwashed. The present is the cumulative result of the past. It's not a crutch. It's reality. The prejudice against many races is nothing compared to the prejudice against blacks in the US. The prejudice against Indos in Guyana is no more than the prejudice against blacks in Guyana. Might very well be less.
Not that many people in the world discredits reading. The authors I listed are celebrated for their writing.
Let's put it this way, I don't have the patience or time to take on the problems of the entire world. Those of us who work hard for what we have achieved are fatigued by the sociologists who continue to provide a crutch for underachieving people. I got enough problems of my own to worry about Cribby and his excuses for lack of upward mobility.
This post doesn't sound like you, usually you will battle to the end to justify views.
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Django posted:This post doesn't sound like you, usually you will battle to the end to justify views.
It sounds very feminine. 
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antabanta posted:The class system in USA is primarily race-based. Excuses? The system of race-based repression in the US is not even debatable anymore. On what is your argument based?
Actually its not as there is a large and growing impoverished white population who exhibit all of the pathologies of the black poor. They are conned into think that class in the USA is race based, so they vote for Trump, a man who dines with the wealthy blacks and refuses to pay (or employ) poor whites.
Yes racism exists but many black Americans have over come it and more than 30% now have household earnings higher than that of the median white family. Classism also exists and a good many whites are trapped by it, and are fooled that their white skin negates this.
The USA is based on race and class. Not either/or. BOTH.
Drugb posted:Let's put it this way, I don't have the patience or time to take on the problems of the entire world. Those of us who work hard for what we have achieved are fatigued by the sociologists who continue to provide a crutch for underachieving people. I got enough problems of my own to worry about Cribby and his excuses for lack of upward mobility.
How does Indo-Guyanese racism against blacks encompass the problems of the whole world? You seem confused. Again, no one is asking anyone to do anything for Afro-Americans. They can help themselves very well if given equal opportunity. The issue is not about taking on the world's problems. It's die-hard refusal to recognize the deplorable and well-entrenched racism against Afro-Americans.
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Drugb posted:Bannas you making erroneous assumptions, playing the race card fuh blacks when they don't need your help.
There is the legacy of past extreme racism coming from Jim Crow (de facto and de jure) that has trapped a segment of black America (around 1/3) into self defeating pathologies.
Racists like you (and snobbish bougie blacks) then keep them there with your implicit biases against people from this group who attempt to escape this. So it reinforces a belief system that trying to escape is futile.
While all poor face barriers poor blacks face even more because people like you peddle stereotypes about them.
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Drugb posted:I got enough problems of my own to worry about Cribby and his excuses for lack of upward mobility.
Druggie the only thing I ask of you is to persevere in your search for big black vegetables so that you can solve your problems instead of engaging in your frustration. You know you want it so go get it.
I am sure that some ghetto thug will willingly supply you with what you need so that you can continue to imagine that upward mobility isn't a feature of a large part of the black American/immigrant populations.
Its amazing that you think that you are superior when your favorite activity is submitting to black vegetables.
caribny posted:antabanta posted:The class system in USA is primarily race-based. Excuses? The system of race-based repression in the US is not even debatable anymore. On what is your argument based?
Actually its not as there is a large and growing impoverished white population who exhibit all of the pathologies of the black poor. They are conned into think that class in the USA is race based, so they vote for Trump, a man who dines with the wealthy blacks and refuses to pay (or employ) poor whites.
Yes racism exists but many black Americans have over come it and more than 30% now have household earnings higher than that of the median white family. Classism also exists and a good many whites are trapped by it, and are fooled that their white skin negates this.
The USA is based on race and class. Not either/or. BOTH.
Here we go. The usual rambling, meaningless comment that ends up saying little or nothing. I posted that the class system in the US is primarily race-based. You say it's not but racism exists and the class system exists and the USA is based on both. Doesn't that mean that the class system in the US is primarily race-based?
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Drugb posted:Lies, you got confused watching, thinking it was an indo:
Soul Man is a 1986 American comedy film about a white man who takes tanning pills in order to pretend to be black and qualify for a black-only scholarship at Harvard Law School
Yes they had to take pills but all folks like you do is to check "black" or check "other" and then write in "Guyanese". South Americans (without regard to race) also qualify for affirmative action. Yes loads of blondes from Argentina benefit.
some Indo Guyanese even get black people to help them out with small stipends awarded to "black" kids. They take full advantage of their dark skin and Caribbean accents.
I guess you didn't hear of the scandals with rich white parents bribing colleges to admit their dunce kids into these Ivy schools because they are champions in skipping or speed basket weaving or whatever "sport" that they can concoct.
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antabanta posted:Jamaica, Queens. Reread my post. Please read a little. Maya Angelou, Toni Morrison, James Baldwin, Ralph Ellison. About class issue. .
All being highly successful and respected American writers so that doesn't quite establish your point.
The issue cannot be reduced simply to "all blacks are poor". That is an insult to the many highly successful black Americans and plays into the hands of the racists who think that being black on its own means that people lose.
Its the intersectionality of being both black and poor that creates an issue. The mere fact of being black doesn't trap people into hopelessness.
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Drugb posted:In fact in Guyana these days we see Afros being the ones doling out the prejudice against Indos. Yet you and others are quiet.
I have spoken out numerous times about this. Your issue is that I also speak about Indo discrimination against Afros in GY. You think that a coin only has one side when in fact it has two.
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antabanta posted:Doesn't that mean that the class system in the US is primarily race-based?
You do know that there are more poor whites (non Hispanics) than there are poor blacks, Hispanics and Asians COMBINED. You do know that a massive increase in white poverty has led to DECLINING white mortality rates. You do know that the HIGHEST rates of suicide in this country is among white men and the lowest is among black women.
Yes there is a special problem when one is both black and poor, especially if one is distant from sources of economic poverty but you INSULT black people when you portray all of is as being trapped losers because some distant ancestor is a slave. This is the crap that druggie screams about and then squeals that blacks are at the bottom.
I don't know what your particular problem is but being black on its own is no longer enough to prevent upward mobility. There are too many highly successful black Americans who derived from the Jim Crow South.
The barriers are steeper for black people, especially those who are both black and poor, but to think that upward mobility is impossible is to do disservice to these people. I know too many black Americans who were born into welfare, but who now earn 6 figures. I know others where an entire family (all siblings) were able to escape poverty by trying to make the best lemonade with the dry lemons they got. Yes not everyone has the fortitude and resiliency, or support systems to do so, but to tell a black kid "oh you are black so you are condemned to be at the bottom" is an insult.
Young black women are graduating college only at a slightly lower rate than are white men. This means, adjusting for the socio economic background of their parents, they are actually OUTPERFORMING! The task now is to get young black men to believe in this, and to tell them that being poor is only because they are black reinforces the belief that too many of them have that to try is futile.
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antabanta posted:They can help themselves very well if given equal opportunity. .
And many of them are SEIZING or creating these opportunities. Not waiting on someone to give it to them.
Contrary to what many liberals and racists try to portray (yes both love to paint black Americans as losers, though for different reasons), black Americans are the most successful blacks who live in majority non black societies. They have way more impact than do blacks in Europe, Latin America or the Middle East. And their successful has even inspired those of us from majority non white societies, even as we didn't face the same barriers that they did.
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Django posted:Drugb posted:antabanta posted:Drugb posted:Dude I am old enough to formulate my own opinions based on life experiences. Don't need to be brainwashed by the writing of others. Instead of using the past as a crutch, people need to forge ahead unrelenting. There is prejudice against many races not just Afros. In fact in Guyana these days we see Afros being the ones doling out the prejudice against Indos. Yet you and others are quiet.
The power of semantics. You are pre-conditioned to label the stories about Afro experience in the US as brainwashing despite the overwhelming evidence of the atrocities committed against them. Yes, you have been successfully brainwashed. The present is the cumulative result of the past. It's not a crutch. It's reality. The prejudice against many races is nothing compared to the prejudice against blacks in the US. The prejudice against Indos in Guyana is no more than the prejudice against blacks in Guyana. Might very well be less.
Not that many people in the world discredits reading. The authors I listed are celebrated for their writing.
Let's put it this way, I don't have the patience or time to take on the problems of the entire world. Those of us who work hard for what we have achieved are fatigued by the sociologists who continue to provide a crutch for underachieving people. I got enough problems of my own to worry about Cribby and his excuses for lack of upward mobility.
This post doesn't sound like you, usually you will battle to the end to justify views.
In fact you are a poster child for how to improve your chafe in life. You should be on my side in this regard. Hard work and determination should be rewarded, not punished.
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caribny posted:Drugb posted:Lies, you got confused watching, thinking it was an indo:
Soul Man is a 1986 American comedy film about a white man who takes tanning pills in order to pretend to be black and qualify for a black-only scholarship at Harvard Law School
Yes they had to take pills but all folks like you do is to check "black" or check "other" and then write in "Guyanese". South Americans (without regard to race) also qualify for affirmative action. Yes loads of blondes from Argentina benefit.
some Indo Guyanese even get black people to help them out with small stipends awarded to "black" kids. They take full advantage of their dark skin and Caribbean accents.
I guess you didn't hear of the scandals with rich white parents bribing colleges to admit their dunce kids into these Ivy schools because they are champions in skipping or speed basket weaving or whatever "sport" that they can concoct.
Where is your evidence of this practice? You really think the college admissions folks can't recognize an Indo name?
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Drugb posted:Where is your evidence of this practice? You really think the college admissions folks can't recognize an Indo name?
I guess you have never of Roxanne Persaud, a very dark skinned black woman.
Black people can have any name and given that many young blacks have non traditional names this increasingly isn't an issue. This because most whites cannot tell the difference and black Americans tend to accept anyone who claims to be "black" in fact to be one. Its only in Queens, where they know better, that this mightn't work.
Plus many of the names that Indo Guyanese have don't correspond to many of the Asian Indian names. Have you heard of Guyanese Patels?
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And druggie here is a fact. An Italian from Italy doesn't get affirmative action. His South American born cousin who is the son of Italian immigrants does. And yes they BOTH have Italian names!
ronan posted:i truly doubt he was talking about people like Leonora and Django
yuh seem desperate "Dave" bai
not a good look for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Regardless of who he was intentionally was or was not speaking about, it's a generalization and is an insult to all Indo-Guyanese. My grandparents worked on the sugar plantations in labouring capacities and worked barefooted. It's their values, ethics and principles that were instilled in my parents, passed on to me and I hope I'll do the same with my son.
Bibi Haniffa posted:What is GNI race riot? Aren't most of the conversations on this site about race?
Most start differently but that's how they always end up..........
Drugb posted:In fact you are a poster child for how to improve your chafe in life. You should be on my side in this regard. Hard work and determination should be rewarded, not punished.
Well sometimes we all need guidance, i was guided by a friend in my early 20's and single, from then on there was nothing stopping to move up the ladder.
Never born with a golden spoon, had my taste of scorn and resentment while growing up from my own ethnic group, due to poverty.From then on always had the motivation to move up in life, will say to my self, will be somebody someday. My friend advice was the first stepping stone to the real deal, after trial with other gobs.
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caribny posted:Drugb posted:Where is your evidence of this practice? You really think the college admissions folks can't recognize an Indo name?
I guess you have never of Roxanne Persaud, a very dark skinned black woman.
Black people can have any name and given that many young blacks have non traditional names this increasingly isn't an issue. This because most whites cannot tell the difference and black Americans tend to accept anyone who claims to be "black" in fact to be one. Its only in Queens, where they know better, that this mightn't work.
Plus many of the names that Indo Guyanese have don't correspond to many of the Asian Indian names. Have you heard of Guyanese Patels?
Once again, can you point us to the evidence that indos are passing themselves off as blacks and getting admissions and scholarships set aside for blacks. Once they show up for the interview their bag would buss, I think you pull this shyte out of your kaka hole.
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Drugb posted:Stormborn posted:antabanta posted:You are reaching for race related excuses when it may not even be applicable. This to me is a class issue. It could be any race with the same aspiration if they came from the working class. There is always first to step out of the box. Don't paint with a broad brush, I suspect ronan and iguana would be on your case, viewing this analysis as an insult, if they were not in the slammer.The class system in USA is primarily race-based. Excuses? The system of race-based repression in the US is not even debatable anymore. On what is your argument based?
Spare him an answer. Schooling did little for his intellect.
Look who talking. If class system is race based then I suppose you are the exception, running away from the norm.
I do not worry about you. Everyone here can see the fact you are a poser...you did not do well by that Rutgers education.
I pity your black son knowing you hold those ignorant views. I can see you love the boy and possibly provide the best for him but do you think that is all he will need to get by in life?
He is black....and black skinned and will meet all sorts of prejudicial stereotypes. But he already knows that. You should see with whom he identifies, the music he listens to and the culture he abstracts. Ask him and his mother whether class...ie social stratification by economic status or social stratification by race have similar importance for them.
But you know precisely what it is. You cannot live in this country dark complected as you are and looking like any other brother from the hood and think race does not matter! You are just ashamed to admit it.
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Drugb posted:caribny posted:Drugb posted:Where is your evidence of this practice? You really think the college admissions folks can't recognize an Indo name?
I guess you have never of Roxanne Persaud, a very dark skinned black woman.
Black people can have any name and given that many young blacks have non traditional names this increasingly isn't an issue. This because most whites cannot tell the difference and black Americans tend to accept anyone who claims to be "black" in fact to be one. Its only in Queens, where they know better, that this mightn't work.
Plus many of the names that Indo Guyanese have don't correspond to many of the Asian Indian names. Have you heard of Guyanese Patels?
Once again, can you point us to the evidence that indos are passing themselves off as blacks and getting admissions and scholarships set aside for blacks. Once they show up for the interview their bag would buss, I think you pull this shyte out of your kaka hole.
Most indian kids appropriate black culture because they instinctively know it locates them somewhere culturally relevant in this society that abstracting white mannerisms and culture cannot take them. It is inaccessible to them.
They wear baggy pants, listen to hip hop and talk ghetto because it is what the need to belong. They have to live in Iowa to borrow from whites but even there they make sharp distinctions by race!...not class.
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caribny posted:antabanta posted:The class system in USA is primarily race-based. Excuses? The system of race-based repression in the US is not even debatable anymore. On what is your argument based?
Actually its not as there is a large and growing impoverished white population who exhibit all of the pathologies of the black poor. They are conned into think that class in the USA is race based, so they vote for Trump, a man who dines with the wealthy blacks and refuses to pay (or employ) poor whites.
Yes racism exists but many black Americans have over come it and more than 30% now have household earnings higher than that of the median white family. Classism also exists and a good many whites are trapped by it, and are fooled that their white skin negates this.
The USA is based on race and class. Not either/or. BOTH.
Note that cribby finally came to his senses and fell in line behind druggies views regarding black Americans. I feel a sense of pride after teaching him for years and hammering home the truth in his thick skull. If cribby can learn then there is hope for the rest of naysayers.
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Stormborn posted:I do not worry about you. Everyone here can see the fact you are a poser...you did not do well by that Rutgers education.I pity your black son knowing you hold those ignorant views. I can see you love the boy and possibly provide the best for him but do you think that is all he will need to get by in life?
He is black....and black skinned and will meet all sorts of prejudicial stereotypes. But he already knows that. You should see with whom he identifies, the music he listens to and the culture he abstracts. Ask him and his mother whether class...ie social stratification by economic status or social stratification by race have similar importance for them.
But you know precisely what it is. You cannot live in this country dark complected as you are and looking like any other brother from the hood and think race does not matter! You are just ashamed to admit it.
Keep guessing and making shyte up. Druggie didn't even go to university, like dj ah got a NAR certificate from hubu backdam school for misfits. Meanwhile a backward howard grad like you should be the last to admonish anyone. You ran from blacks as far as you could to live among the whites in the suburbs, what a hypocrite. The same whites should put a trashing pun yuh rass one day. Dollar store clerk with a useless piece of paper from one of the worst universities in the nation.
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Django posted:Drugb posted:In fact you are a poster child for how to improve your chafe in life. You should be on my side in this regard. Hard work and determination should be rewarded, not punished.
Well sometimes we all need guidance, i was guided by a friend in my early 20's and single, from then on there was nothing stopping to move up the ladder.
Never born with a golden spoon, had my taste of scorn and resentment while growing up from my own ethnic group, due to poverty.From then on always had the motivation to move up in life, will say to my self, will be somebody someday. My friend advice was the first stepping stone to the real deal, after trial with other gobs.
If it was as simple as that, getting guidance, then there would be no poverty in the US. It also must include a consistent set of values passed along parental lines. This is documented well in the vicious cycle of welfare moms who in turn churn out welfare moms and so on and so on perpetually.
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Drugb posted:Stormborn posted:I do not worry about you. Everyone here can see the fact you are a poser...you did not do well by that Rutgers education.I pity your black son knowing you hold those ignorant views. I can see you love the boy and possibly provide the best for him but do you think that is all he will need to get by in life?
He is black....and black skinned and will meet all sorts of prejudicial stereotypes. But he already knows that. You should see with whom he identifies, the music he listens to and the culture he abstracts. Ask him and his mother whether class...ie social stratification by economic status or social stratification by race have similar importance for them.
But you know precisely what it is. You cannot live in this country dark complected as you are and looking like any other brother from the hood and think race does not matter! You are just ashamed to admit it.
Keep guessing and making shyte up. Druggie didn't even go to university, like dj ah got a NAR certificate from hubu backdam school for misfits. Meanwhile a backward howard grad like you should be the last to admonish anyone. You ran from blacks as far as you could to live among the whites in the suburbs, what a hypocrite. The same whites should put a trashing pun yuh rass one day. Dollar store clerk with a useless piece of paper from one of the worst universities in the nation.
You need to console yourself I am a dollar store clerk. This is one of the most diverse county in MD, for your information...some 20 percent black folks...above the national demographics...
Only in you shallow mind is howard the "worse" school in the nation. Its grads include senators, congress people, artists and yes most of the rich black folks in this land and it does a lot more to change the moral timbre of this country than any other school in the nation. You are equal before the law and cannot be discriminated against with our legal recourse because of Marshall. a howard grad.
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Drugb posted:Stormborn posted:I do not worry about you. Everyone here can see the fact you are a poser...you did not do well by that Rutgers education.I pity your black son knowing you hold those ignorant views. I can see you love the boy and possibly provide the best for him but do you think that is all he will need to get by in life?
He is black....and black skinned and will meet all sorts of prejudicial stereotypes. But he already knows that. You should see with whom he identifies, the music he listens to and the culture he abstracts. Ask him and his mother whether class...ie social stratification by economic status or social stratification by race have similar importance for them.
But you know precisely what it is. You cannot live in this country dark complected as you are and looking like any other brother from the hood and think race does not matter! You are just ashamed to admit it.
Keep guessing and making shyte up. Druggie didn't even go to university, like dj ah got a NAR certificate from hubu backdam school for misfits. Meanwhile a backward howard grad like you should be the last to admonish anyone. You ran from blacks as far as you could to live among the whites in the suburbs, what a hypocrite. The same whites should put a trashing pun yuh rass one day. Dollar store clerk with a useless piece of paper from one of the worst universities in the nation.
your personal shame ...black wife...black son, borderline ghetto dweller causes you do disown your reality. Denying it wont make it different.
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antabanta posted:How does Indo-Guyanese racism against blacks encompass the problems of the whole world? You seem confused. Again, no one is asking anyone to do anything for Afro-Americans. They can help themselves very well if given equal opportunity. The issue is not about taking on the world's problems. It's die-hard refusal to recognize the deplorable and well-entrenched racism against Afro-Americans.
I see there is now scope creep in your original argument, suddenly it is indoG who is the cause of black plight. The more you parrot this type of fallacy the more resentful indoGs get as most have little or no interaction or impact on the afroGs lives. I once noted that AfroGs were free 70 years ahead of the end of indo indentureship, they had all that time over us by yet we are the cause of their lack of progress. Wake up man, you can't keep blaming others for their plight, at some point one must become accountable for their own destiny instead of constantly waiting to be "given". I noticed you keep using the term, "given equal opportunity".
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Stormborn posted:Drugb posted:Stormborn posted:I do not worry about you. Everyone here can see the fact you are a poser...you did not do well by that Rutgers education.I pity your black son knowing you hold those ignorant views. I can see you love the boy and possibly provide the best for him but do you think that is all he will need to get by in life?
He is black....and black skinned and will meet all sorts of prejudicial stereotypes. But he already knows that. You should see with whom he identifies, the music he listens to and the culture he abstracts. Ask him and his mother whether class...ie social stratification by economic status or social stratification by race have similar importance for them.
But you know precisely what it is. You cannot live in this country dark complected as you are and looking like any other brother from the hood and think race does not matter! You are just ashamed to admit it.
Keep guessing and making shyte up. Druggie didn't even go to university, like dj ah got a NAR certificate from hubu backdam school for misfits. Meanwhile a backward howard grad like you should be the last to admonish anyone. You ran from blacks as far as you could to live among the whites in the suburbs, what a hypocrite. The same whites should put a trashing pun yuh rass one day. Dollar store clerk with a useless piece of paper from one of the worst universities in the nation.
You need to console yourself I am a dollar store clerk. This is one of the most diverse county in MD, for your information...some 20 percent black folks...above the national demographics...
Only in you shallow mind is howard the "worse" school in the nation. Its grads include senators, congress people, artists and yes most of the rich black folks in this land and it does a lot more to change the moral timbre of this country than any other school in the nation. You are equal before the law and cannot be discriminated against with our legal recourse because of Marshall. a howard grad.
During your tenure there, it was and still remains a poorly rated school. Go look it up yourself if you don't believe me, an acceptance rate of 41% and early acceptance of 59%. Back in your time it probably was 100% until they cracked down and enforced minimum standards.
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Drugb posted:..Only in you shallow mind is howard the "worse" school in the nation. Its grads include senators, congress people, artists and yes most of the rich black folks in this land and it does a lot more to change the moral timbre of this country than any other school in the nation. You are equal before the law and cannot be discriminated against with our legal recourse because of Marshall. a howard grad.
During your tenure there, it was and still remains a poorly rated school. Go look it up yourself if you don't believe me, an acceptance rate of 41% and early acceptance of 59%. Back in your time it probably was 100% until they cracked down and enforced minimum standards.
College rating system is completely subjective. Taken for what it contributes to the society and the world Howard out performs the best.
Drugb posted:I see there is now scope creep in your original argument, suddenly it is indoG who is the cause of black plight. The more you parrot this type of fallacy the more resentful indoGs get as most have little or no interaction or impact on the afroGs lives. I once noted that AfroGs were free 70 years ahead of the end of indo indentureship, they had all that time over us by yet we are the cause of their lack of progress. Wake up man, you can't keep blaming others for their plight, at some point one must become accountable for their own destiny instead of constantly waiting to be "given". I noticed you keep using the term, "given equal opportunity".
Eh?? You have to explain how you see this new scope. How did Indo-Guyanese become the cause of the black plight? You do understand there is far more prejudice against Afro-Americans than against any other ethnicity?
caribny posted:antabanta posted:Jamaica, Queens. Reread my post. Please read a little. Maya Angelou, Toni Morrison, James Baldwin, Ralph Ellison. About class issue. .
All being highly successful and respected American writers so that doesn't quite establish your point.
The issue cannot be reduced simply to "all blacks are poor". That is an insult to the many highly successful black Americans and plays into the hands of the racists who think that being black on its own means that people lose.
Its the intersectionality of being both black and poor that creates an issue. The mere fact of being black doesn't trap people into hopelessness.
From where did you derive that all blacks are poor? What do you think is my point? Are you denying that being black on its own is enough to evoke prejudice?
caribny posted:antabanta posted:Doesn't that mean that the class system in the US is primarily race-based?You do know that there are more poor whites (non Hispanics) than there are poor blacks, Hispanics and Asians COMBINED. You do know that a massive increase in white poverty has led to DECLINING white mortality rates. You do know that the HIGHEST rates of suicide in this country is among white men and the lowest is among black women.
Yes there is a special problem when one is both black and poor, especially if one is distant from sources of economic poverty but you INSULT black people when you portray all of is as being trapped losers because some distant ancestor is a slave. This is the crap that druggie screams about and then squeals that blacks are at the bottom.
I don't know what your particular problem is but being black on its own is no longer enough to prevent upward mobility. There are too many highly successful black Americans who derived from the Jim Crow South.
The barriers are steeper for black people, especially those who are both black and poor, but to think that upward mobility is impossible is to do disservice to these people. I know too many black Americans who were born into welfare, but who now earn 6 figures. I know others where an entire family (all siblings) were able to escape poverty by trying to make the best lemonade with the dry lemons they got. Yes not everyone has the fortitude and resiliency, or support systems to do so, but to tell a black kid "oh you are black so you are condemned to be at the bottom" is an insult.
Young black women are graduating college only at a slightly lower rate than are white men. This means, adjusting for the socio economic background of their parents, they are actually OUTPERFORMING! The task now is to get young black men to believe in this, and to tell them that being poor is only because they are black reinforces the belief that too many of them have that to try is futile.
You struggle so hard to post that you tie yourself up into senseless arguments that have nothing to do with what anyone is saying. How did you acquire this talent? Are you denying that black people in USA are subject to prejudice for no reason other than being black?
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Drugb posted:Once again, can you point us to the evidence that indos are passing themselves off as blacks and getting admissions and scholarships set aside for blacks. Once they show up for the interview their bag would buss, I think you pull this shyte out of your kaka hole.
Given that in this country Mariah Carey is black that would not happen. One doesnt have to be "African" to be black in this country.
These Guyanese will arrive with their Caribbean accents and the folks might even think that they are Jamaicans. And yes Guyanese Indos have received scholarships from black organizations and that will offset anyone skeptical. Guyanese are considered to be non Hispanic blacks unless they indicate otherwise. This because Guyana is categorized as a non Hispanic Caribbean nation as it isnt Latin.
And I was assigned to oversee an Indo Guyanese kid who received an award from a prestigious black organization. Will not reveal more details as people are entitled to privacy especially to you as you dont know how to behave. The last thing I need you to be doing is to be running behind this person asking him if he likes black vegetables too.
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antabanta posted:You struggle so hard to post that you tie yourself up into senseless arguments that have nothing to do with what anyone is saying. How did you acquire this talent? Are you denying that black people in USA are subject to prejudice for no reason other than being black?
The funny thing is every post of yours indicates that you dont understand the complexity of being black in the USA.
Do yourself a favor and rent the movie "Jumping the Broom" to see how wide the gap is between various segments? The fact that racism is a fact of life for black people is beside the point. Some black people have the means to reduce the impact of this. Others have the resiliency and tenacity to struggle against this. Class plays a power role in all of this discussion and you are being asinine if you deny the fact that poverty also exists among whites.
But then you will tell me that the Obama girls will be hobbled by racism ad will soon end up on SNAP. I thought that only druggie was capable of concocting such nonsense.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ma...l-underclass/492731/
From the beginning there has always been poverty in this country, even before racism became a major issue. In fact race was used as a mechanism to separate the white poor from the black poor. And now we see how the white poor (and the lower middle class) have suffered from this due to their misguided support for people like Trump.
caribny posted:The funny thing is every post of yours indicates that you dont understand the complexity of being black in the USA.
Do yourself a favor and rent the movie "Jumping the Broom" to see how wide the gap is between various segments? The fact that racism is a fact of life for black people is beside the point. Some black people have the means to reduce the impact of this. Others have the resiliency and tenacity to struggle against this. Class plays a power role in all of this discussion and you are being asinine if you deny the fact that poverty also exists among whites.
But then you will tell me that the Obama girls will be hobbled by racism ad will soon end up on SNAP. I thought that only druggie was capable of concocting such nonsense.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ma...l-underclass/492731/
From the beginning there has always been poverty in this country, even before racism became a major issue. In fact race was used as a mechanism to separate the white poor from the black poor. And now we see how the white poor (and the lower middle class) have suffered from this due to their misguided support for people like Trump.
My understanding or lack of understanding the complexity of being black in the US has no bearing on the prejudice against blacks in the US. It exists regardless of what you or I think. Are you saying BLM is not needed? Are you saying that the black man who was dragged behind a pickup truck just three decades ago was murdered for something other than being black? Are you saying that all the black people who're shot by police on the flimsiest of excuses are shot for anything other than being black? Are you unaware that all the successful Afro-Americans, including the Obamas, can be reduced at any time to any status they were at before 1957 should certain parties ascend power in the US? We're seeing a glimpse of it right now with Trump as president. I've seen Jumping The Broom and it has no bearing on the prejudice against Afro-Americans in the US. You're a grown man. Stop transforming the simplest of ideas to wander around aimlessly into completely irrelevant arguments.
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caribny posted:Drugb posted:Once again, can you point us to the evidence that indos are passing themselves off as blacks and getting admissions and scholarships set aside for blacks. Once they show up for the interview their bag would buss, I think you pull this shyte out of your kaka hole.
Given that in this country Mariah Carey is black that would not happen. One doesnt have to be "African" to be black in this country.
These Guyanese will arrive with their Caribbean accents and the folks might even think that they are Jamaicans. And yes Guyanese Indos have received scholarships from black organizations and that will offset anyone skeptical. Guyanese are considered to be non Hispanic blacks unless they indicate otherwise. This because Guyana is categorized as a non Hispanic Caribbean nation as it isnt Latin.
And I was assigned to oversee an Indo Guyanese kid who received an award from a prestigious black organization. Will not reveal more details as people are entitled to privacy especially to you as you dont know how to behave. The last thing I need you to be doing is to be running behind this person asking him if he likes black vegetables too.
Just as I thought, hearsay and urban legend to which only you are privy. And even if true, how does this personal experience grant you the authority to paint with a broad brush? Where is the study showing this to be widespread practice by IndoG? As for privacy of the alleged perpetrators, you have a responsibility to expose them, they deserve no privacy when committing fraud. The claim that you were assigned and subsequently exposed them clearly indicated that there are checks and balances to prevent this type of fraud.
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antabanta posted:My understanding or lack of understanding the complexity of being black in the US has no bearing on the prejudice against blacks in the US. It exists regardless of what you or I think. Are you saying BLM is not needed? Are you saying that the black man who was dragged behind a pickup truck just three decades ago was murdered for something other than being black? Are you saying that all the black people who're shot by police on the flimsiest of excuses are shot for anything other than being black? Are you unaware that all the successful Afro-Americans, including the Obamas, can be reduced at any time to any status they were at before 1957 should certain parties ascend power in the US? We're seeing a glimpse of it right now with Trump as president. I've seen Jumping The Broom and it has no bearing on the prejudice against Afro-Americans in the US. You're a grown man. Stop transforming the simplest of ideas to wander around aimlessly into completely irrelevant arguments.
I like interacting with non blacks like you because I learn how ignorant many people are of black people. If you think that the Obamas, Oprah Winfrey, and other black tycoons face the risk of being reduced to Jim Crow status you really don't know this country. These are very much insiders to the power structure. Hell even rich blacks considerably less affluent are protected by the power structure.
Why do you think that Trump is now president? Because poor whites saw how rich whites embrace rich blacks and toss them aside, only good when elections come around. Rich whites laugh at poor whites. Please watch Bill Maher if you doubt. Let a rich black show up and they grovel and this even includes the GOP.
You think that Ben Carson has any problems, or Herman Cain?
You think that some little ignorant white cop will mess with them when they entertain the richest and most powerful people in this nation every weekend? Oprah a rich women cutting deals with mega media. The Obamas working out multi million book deals with whites kicking each other down to get an autographed copy.
Even little Rihanna is now a very wealthy woman. Yes a poor girl from some village in Barbados! And not just because people like to hear her singing. No she has cut some shrewd deals!
A woman called Michelle Obama a monkey and was fired from her job. Now some other disaster hit her, so her life is ruined. Any white person who messes with Oprah feels her wrath. The Obama girls know NOTHING about the sting of racism because the wealth and social connections of their parents insulates them from it.
A white cop harassed the current CEO of Black Enterprise, then the son of the owner. The NYPD had to take out an entire page in the NYT apologizing to him and the cop was fired.
Oh no the black elites have more power in this country than you think.
And yes Jumping the Broom is quite relevant as I guess you missed the part of the rich black family OWNING slaves. If they were slave owners and kept their wealth even as many white slave owners lost theirs these are people who knew how to maneuver.
It is gross ignorance for you to think that a rich black, or even mere upper middle class blacks will be treated the same way by white institutions that a poor black will be.
Class does NOT equal race. Its a pity that you are too ignorant to know this.
Btw there are 14.7 million poor whites in this country vs. 7.5 million poor whites. The life expectancy rate of these white poor is DECLINING as many succumb to depression, suicides and drug abuse ALL higher than among blacks.
Sorry to let you know that while the situation for poor blacks is dire Sasha Obama has way more opportunities in life and will be treated way better by the system than "white trash" Betty Mae from West Virginia. The latter likely will die from an opioid overdose with the entire nation saying that she is a loser who deserved this.
And another fact. Last year around 200 unarmed blacks were shot by cops. How many blacks do you think shot unarmed blacks in robberies or for other reasons?
caribny posted:antabanta posted:My understanding or lack of understanding the complexity of being black in the US has no bearing on the prejudice against blacks in the US. It exists regardless of what you or I think. Are you saying BLM is not needed? Are you saying that the black man who was dragged behind a pickup truck just three decades ago was murdered for something other than being black? Are you saying that all the black people who're shot by police on the flimsiest of excuses are shot for anything other than being black? Are you unaware that all the successful Afro-Americans, including the Obamas, can be reduced at any time to any status they were at before 1957 should certain parties ascend power in the US? We're seeing a glimpse of it right now with Trump as president. I've seen Jumping The Broom and it has no bearing on the prejudice against Afro-Americans in the US. You're a grown man. Stop transforming the simplest of ideas to wander around aimlessly into completely irrelevant arguments.I like interacting with non blacks because I learn how ignorant many people are of black people. If you think that the Obamas, Oprah Winfrey, and other black tycoons face the risk of being reduced to Jim Crow status you really don't know this country.
A woman called Michelle Obama a monkey and was fired from her job. Any white person who messes with Oprah feels her wrath. The Obama girls know NOTHING about the sting of racism because the wealth and social connections of their parents insulates them from it.
A white cop harassed the current CEO of Black Enterprise, then the son of the owner. The NYPD had to take out an entire page in the NYT apologizing to him and the cop was fired.
Oh no the black elites have more power in this country than you think.
And yes Jumping the Broom is quite relevant as I guess you missed the part of the rich black family OWNING slaves. If they were slave owners and kept their wealth even as many white slave owners lost theirs these are people who know how to maneuver.
It is gross ignorance for you to think that a rich black, or even a mere upper middle class blacks will be treated the same way why institutions that a poor black will be.
Class does NOT equal race. Its a pity that you are too ignorant to know this.
Btw there are 14.7 million poor whites in this country vs. 7.5 million poor whites. The life expectancy rate of these white poor is DECLINING as many succumb to depression, suicides and drug abuse ALL higher than among blacks.
Sorry to let you know that while the situation for poor blacks is dire Sasha Obama has way more opportunities in life and will be treated way better by the system than Betty Mae from West Virginia.
You are completely missing the point and once again opt to go on a nonsensical rant. Do you not understand the reference to pre-1957? Here are few simple questions. Do you believe the CEO of Black Enterprise was harassed by a white cop for anything other than being black? If it was for any other reason, the NYPD would not have apologized. Apparently this aspect of the incident completely sailed over your head. Should Sasha Obama manage to find herself isolated in the deep south in a conflict with a white person of any social status who does not know who she is, what do you think will happen to Sasha Obama and do you think the treatment meted out to her will not be biased because she is black? How equal is the treatment meted out to poor blacks and poor whites from the authorities and business infrastructure? I never said class equals race. In your haste to spew garbage you are completely confusing yourself. I said the class system in the US is primarily race-based. Do you somehow manage to interpret this statement to mean class equals race?
Addendum: The number of blacks who shoot blacks does in no way mitigate the prejudice in the killing of blacks by white cops.
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Drugb posted:Just as I thought, hearsay and urban legend to which only you are privy.
Don't worry druggie. You are now too old to get black people to help you get into college as you suddenly decide to parade around your Caribbean identity.
But you can still get black people to provide you with their black vegetables that you so lust after.
Dave posted:Leonora posted:ronan posted:i truly doubt he was talking about people like Leonora and Django
yuh seem desperate "Dave" bai
not a good look for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Someone is instigating them to unleash a GNI race riot because things are not going their way. In Guyana everyone goes about their business and there is no race war. These cyber warriors need to watch their language; Admins allow Dave to curse like a drunk.
No one need to instigate me. I would not be bully like how you PM me to attack Bibi.. and I recall you did the same with KP... thatâs what you call cyber bully.
Hehe for reallll. ðð
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antabanta posted:Do you believe the CEO of Black Enterprise was harassed by a white cop for anything other than being black?
And the white cop immediately regretted it as he suffered the consequences of messing with the wrong black man. Some white kid overdosing on heroin and is slapped up by the cops isn't going to get an apology. And yes poor white kids get shot by the cops too, but rich whites don't care so you don't hear of this. Look at all of those homeless white kids rotting on the streets of Manhattan!
Don't cry for Earl Graves Jnr. When he was wronged he exacted revenge in ways that even your average white guy cannot. When he entertains in the Hamptons this weekend the only white working class "townies" who will be around will be those serving drinks and food. The rich whites will drool over their fellow rich friends, who happen to be black, and scorn these white townies.
Spike Lee lives in the Upper Eastside with all of that old WASP $$$. I bet they battle each other to have him and his wife over at their cocktail parties. Even Jay Z some will now love to name drop. Certain has access to social circles that will never allow you in. Ditto Russell Simmons. Having tea with Beyonce will engender pure jealousy from the Hamptons social set.
Hell even Al Sharpton is now on the celebrity list with all the politicians in town rushing to his events to get his blessing. You think any white cop will dare mess with Al Sharpton now? Even Trump will ensure that this person is punished.
In this country money talks and BS walks. Don't cry for the black elites as they don't need any pity from you.
This is what all of you Obama worshippers don't understand He doesn't need you all and I don't even think that he likes you all. He has no fear of being reduced to Jim Crow, or being dragged behind a truck. His friends are rich white tycoons like Richard Branson. As much as many whites hate the Obamas, enraged at their wealth and power, they leave their kids alone. How many stories do you hear about what Malia and Sacha are up to? Those girls are protected by the system!
So no to be black doesn't mean to be poor and downtrodden. NOT in 2019. People hate the poor, and the black poor most of all, but those blacks who escaped that and have risen to the top........whole other story!
Like I said in this country race is a complex issue. To be black is to be in the best of worlds and also to be in the worst of worlds. It depends on where one is, so blackness on the whole isn't the issue. Its being BOTH black and poor that is.
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antabanta posted:Are you denying that black people in USA are subject to prejudice for no reason other than being black?
Do you really think that Oprah spends too seconds worrying about that topic as it pertains to her? I bet that white woman in Switzerland who told her that she cannot enter because the shop was closing for the day is still suffering.
I can tell you don't know too many affluent black people. Many of them are now "post negro". The problems of struggling blacks bother them not.
Watch Jumping the Broom again!
alena06 posted:Dave posted:Leonora posted:ronan posted:i truly doubt he was talking about people like Leonora and Django
yuh seem desperate "Dave" bai
not a good look for a wannabe 'stud' like you
Someone is instigating them to unleash a GNI race riot because things are not going their way. In Guyana everyone goes about their business and there is no race war. These cyber warriors need to watch their language; Admins allow Dave to curse like a drunk.
No one need to instigate me. I would not be bully like how you PM me to attack Bibi.. and I recall you did the same with KP... thatâs what you call cyber bully.
Hehe for reallll. ðð
No surprise there. Tigers don't change their stripes.
antabanta posted:caribny posted:antabanta posted:My understanding or lack of understanding the complexity of being black in the US has no bearing on the prejudice against blacks in the US. It exists regardless of what you or I think. Are you saying BLM is not needed? Are you saying that the black man who was dragged behind a pickup truck just three decades ago was murdered for something other than being black? Are you saying that all the black people who're shot by police on the flimsiest of excuses are shot for anything other than being black? Are you unaware that all the successful Afro-Americans, including the Obamas, can be reduced at any time to any status they were at before 1957 should certain parties ascend power in the US? We're seeing a glimpse of it right now with Trump as president. I've seen Jumping The Broom and it has no bearing on the prejudice against Afro-Americans in the US. You're a grown man. Stop transforming the simplest of ideas to wander around aimlessly into completely irrelevant arguments.I like interacting with non blacks because I learn how ignorant many people are of black people. If you think that the Obamas, Oprah Winfrey, and other black tycoons face the risk of being reduced to Jim Crow status you really don't know this country.
A woman called Michelle Obama a monkey and was fired from her job. Any white person who messes with Oprah feels her wrath. The Obama girls know NOTHING about the sting of racism because the wealth and social connections of their parents insulates them from it.
A white cop harassed the current CEO of Black Enterprise, then the son of the owner. The NYPD had to take out an entire page in the NYT apologizing to him and the cop was fired.
Oh no the black elites have more power in this country than you think.
And yes Jumping the Broom is quite relevant as I guess you missed the part of the rich black family OWNING slaves. If they were slave owners and kept their wealth even as many white slave owners lost theirs these are people who know how to maneuver.
It is gross ignorance for you to think that a rich black, or even a mere upper middle class blacks will be treated the same way why institutions that a poor black will be.
Class does NOT equal race. Its a pity that you are too ignorant to know this.
Btw there are 14.7 million poor whites in this country vs. 7.5 million poor whites. The life expectancy rate of these white poor is DECLINING as many succumb to depression, suicides and drug abuse ALL higher than among blacks.
Sorry to let you know that while the situation for poor blacks is dire Sasha Obama has way more opportunities in life and will be treated way better by the system than Betty Mae from West Virginia.
You are completely missing the point and once again opt to go on a nonsensical rant. Do you not understand the reference to pre-1957? Here are few simple questions. Do you believe the CEO of Black Enterprise was harassed by a white cop for anything other than being black? If it was for any other reason, the NYPD would not have apologized. Apparently this aspect of the incident completely sailed over your head. Should Sasha Obama manage to find herself isolated in the deep south in a conflict with a white person of any social status who does not know who she is, what do you think will happen to Sasha Obama and do you think the treatment meted out to her will not be biased because she is black? How equal is the treatment meted out to poor blacks and poor whites from the authorities and business infrastructure? I never said class equals race. In your haste to spew garbage you are completely confusing yourself. I said the class system in the US is primarily race-based. Do you somehow manage to interpret this statement to mean class equals race?
Addendum: The number of blacks who shoot blacks does in no way mitigate the prejudice in the killing of blacks by white cops.
In the animal world, a deer finds itself within the confine of lions territory, it is dead meat.
Mankind are many species with the same instincts, natural discrimination. People say, man has the ability to think. Watching TV on animals, I am certain animals have that ability too, just observing the antics in catching a prey.
antabanta posted:Drugb posted:I see there is now scope creep in your original argument, suddenly it is indoG who is the cause of black plight. The more you parrot this type of fallacy the more resentful indoGs get as most have little or no interaction or impact on the afroGs lives. I once noted that AfroGs were free 70 years ahead of the end of indo indentureship, they had all that time over us by yet we are the cause of their lack of progress. Wake up man, you can't keep blaming others for their plight, at some point one must become accountable for their own destiny instead of constantly waiting to be "given". I noticed you keep using the term, "given equal opportunity".
Eh?? You have to explain how you see this new scope. How did Indo-Guyanese become the cause of the black plight? You do understand there is far more prejudice against Afro-Americans than against any other ethnicity?
Why? bcz dey black or some other reason?
caribny posted:And the white cop immediately regretted it as he suffered the consequences of messing with the wrong black man. Some white kid overdosing on heroin and is slapped up by the cops isn't going to get an apology. And yes poor white kids get shot by the cops too, but rich whites don't care so you don't hear of this. Look at all of those homeless white kids rotting on the streets of Manhattan!
Don't cry for Earl Graves Jnr. When he was wronged he exacted revenge in ways that even your average white guy cannot. When he entertains in the Hamptons this weekend the only white working class "townies" who will be around will be those serving drinks and food. The rich whites will drool over their fellow rich friends, who happen to be black, and scorn these white townies.
Spike Lee lives in the Upper Eastside with all of that old WASP $$$. I bet they battle each other to have him and his wife over at their cocktail parties. Even Jay Z some will now love to name drop. Certain has access to social circles that will never allow you in. Ditto Russell Simmons. Having tea with Beyonce will engender pure jealousy from the Hamptons social set.
Hell even Al Sharpton is now on the celebrity list with all the politicians in town rushing to his events to get his blessing. You think any white cop will dare mess with Al Sharpton now? Even Trump will ensure that this person is punished.
In this country money talks and BS walks. Don't cry for the black elites as they don't need any pity from you.
This is what all of you Obama worshippers don't understand He doesn't need you all and I don't even think that he likes you all. He has no fear of being reduced to Jim Crow, or being dragged behind a truck. His friends are rich white tycoons like Richard Branson. As much as many whites hate the Obamas, enraged at their wealth and power, they leave their kids alone. How many stories do you hear about what Malia and Sacha are up to? Those girls are protected by the system!
So no to be black doesn't mean to be poor and downtrodden. NOT in 2019. People hate the poor, and the black poor most of all, but those blacks who escaped that and have risen to the top........whole other story!
Like I said in this country race is a complex issue. To be black is to be in the best of worlds and also to be in the worst of worlds. It depends on where one is, so blackness on the whole isn't the issue. Its being BOTH black and poor that is.
Did the white cop regret it out of remorse or only because he got caught? Spike Lee will be nothing if he's caught in the wrong place and is unrecognized. You insist on missing the point. Any poor white person will get better treatment than any rich black person if the black person is not recognized no matter how well dressed or not matter what care he/she is driving. You are singling out isolated individuals and completely ignoring the norm. Your opinion that being black means being poor and downtrodden is meaningless to the white racist. Your hopes and opinions mean nothing to reality. I will keep asking you the same questions until you answer. You're grown man. Stop babbling meaningless drivel and launching unfounded insults.
Why do people hate black poor most of all?
Do you not understand the reference to pre-1957?
Do you believe the CEO of Black Enterprise was harassed by a white cop for anything other than being black?
Should Sasha Obama manage to find herself isolated in the deep south in a conflict with a white person of any social status who does not know who she is, what do you think will happen to Sasha Obama and do you think the treatment meted out to her will not be biased because she is black?
How equal is the treatment meted out to poor blacks and poor whites from the authorities and business infrastructure?
caribny posted:antabanta posted:Are you denying that black people in USA are subject to prejudice for no reason other than being black?Do you really think that Oprah spends too seconds worrying about that topic as it pertains to her? I bet that white woman in Switzerland who told her that she cannot enter because the shop was closing for the day is still suffering.
I can tell you don't know too many affluent black people. Many of them are now "post negro". The problems of struggling blacks bother them not.
Watch Jumping the Broom again!
Would a rich white woman ever be told she cannot enter a store? I will keep asking this question until you have the courage to answer it.
seignet posted:In the animal world, a deer finds itself within the confine of lions territory, it is dead meat.
Mankind are many species with the same instincts, natural discrimination. People say, man has the ability to think. Watching TV on animals, I am certain animals have that ability too, just observing the antics in catching a prey.
Mankind are many species???? By what feat of ignorant thoughtless did you manage such an absurd, ridiculous, asinine conclusion?
seignet posted:Why? bcz dey black or some other reason?
You have the answer, if only you could have the courage to be honest with yourself.
antabanta posted:seignet posted:Why? bcz dey black or some other reason?
You have the answer, if only you could have the courage to be honest with yourself.
Black Americans had 2 choices after slavery and still possible today. Go to Liberia, that country was established for that sole purpose. Or, follow Marcus Garvy back to Ethiopia. Iz nah like dey ain gat no choices. As bad as the Whiteman is, blacks living in America have it way way better than living some place else, especially Africa. They would never be caught dead in that shithole continent.
Suh bai, stop being so prejudice against whitepeople. Everything in the world operates on the law of averages. People are going to die, molested and discriminated every second of the day. The key to living unhindered is to watch your step. Venture into certain places is like venturing into a lions den. Why would you want to do that or ask Black peple to do that?
seignet posted:antabanta posted:seignet posted:Why? bcz dey black or some other reason?
You have the answer, if only you could have the courage to be honest with yourself.
Black Americans had 2 choices after slavery and still possible today. Go to Liberia, that country was established for that sole purpose. Or, follow Marcus Garvy back to Ethiopia. Iz nah like dey ain gat no choices. As bad as the Whiteman is, blacks living in America have it way way better than living some place else, especially Africa. They would never be caught dead in that shithole continent.
Suh bai, stop being so prejudice against whitepeople. Everything in the world operates on the law of averages. People are going to die, molested and discriminated every second of the day. The key to living unhindered is to watch your step. Venture into certain places is like venturing into a lions den. Why would you want to do that or ask Black peple to do that?
Did you look within yourself with honesty to come up with that response? You should have been born black in America 200 years ago or even immediately after slavery. I'm not prejudiced against white people. Only warped logic would consider speaking up against prejudice as prejudice. But you've already provided ample reason to us to not expect any better from you. There is a large number of whites who recognize and oppose discrimination against people of color. Who would you accuse them of being prejudiced against? Why don't all Indo-Guyanese who cry out about oppression by Afro-Guyanese return to India? Is it because they prefer to be caught dead in that shithole country? Remember, this is your absurd logic.
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seignet posted:Black Americans had 2 choices after slavery and still possible today.
Most black Americans are descended from enslaved peoples who arrived when it was a British colony, meaning that they have been here for almost 250 years or TEN generations.
Why should they go anywhere when it is the white population which is mainly descended from peoples who have been here for LESS than 150 years.
if anyone needs to go back where they come from its the Europeans. Black Americans are here because 250 years ago many white Americans wanted them to be here. They didn't ask to come.
You really need to stop hating yourself as you love whites as they aren't worth your devotion to them. In fact many of them will be embarrassed by your statements.
I guess you will suggest that Indigenous Canadians should retain to Asia if they don't like life in white dominated Canada!
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antabanta posted:Would a rich white woman ever be told she cannot enter a store? I will keep asking this question until you have the courage to answer it.
You can jump up and down and make me try to say that rich and poor blacks are equally impacted by racism. NO! Rich blacks face LESS racism and when they do they can punish those stupid enough to stereotype them.
Oprah sees a store closing and then gets into a tantrum because they refuse her entry. Screams racism and uses her RICH BLACK WOMAN clout to have a poorer white woman punished.
Still think that class is race based, because if it was Oprah would have been the one arrested for creating a scene in a country where she isn't a citizen!
Look at Jussie Smollett. Faked an attack and got Chicago to spend thousands of dollars. When it was discovered that he lied his rich black privilege ensured that he did NOT face the consequences. The limited punishment he deserves because in this country racism is still a fact of life and he disrespected those who still suffer the consequences.
But he is a rich black so has no need to care about how his actions impact others. Yes racism is an issue that rich blacks have the power and the social networks to punish those who ill treat them. Jussie knows the Obama's and they told Chicago to drop the case.
You think the Obama's would have made that call if it was some poor white kid? You seriously don't think that a rich white person would care either.
Rich folks protect their own, regardless as to whether they are black or white.
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antabanta posted:Mankind are many species???? By what feat of ignorant thoughtless did you manage such an absurd, ridiculous, asinine conclusion?
It isn't asinine. Seignet thinks that he belongs to the amoeba species. If that is where he places himself as something that can be crushed, or poisoned with no remorse then why worry?
Folks like him don't look in the mirror so when they justify racism/classism they don't understand that they limit themselves. He is neither white nor is he rich.
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antabanta posted:caribny posted:
Why do people hate black poor most of all?
Do you not understand the reference to pre-1957?
Should Sasha Obama manage to find herself isolated in the deep south in a conflict with a white person of any social status who does not know who she is, what do you think will happen to Sasha Obama and do you think the treatment meted out to her will not be biased because she is black?
Sasha is a rich "white" girl who happens to be black. Should anyone treat her as "pre 1957" that will be the last act that they will commit before being thrown into the system and destroyed. Those who called Michelle an ape have regretted it. Careers destroyed as the system crushed those for daring to think that they can humiliate the rich. At least one of them is now in jail. I bet if they laughed at some poor white opioid addict they would still be gainfully employed.
Please don't feel sorry for her or Spike as they will both laugh at a little immigrant like you. While Barack plays golf and cuts deals with the richest and most powerful, all glad to know a highly thought of black man. And this includes BOTH the liberals and the conservatives. Do you have access to any of these people? No you don't and you NEVER will even though you aren't black!
This is NOT 1957. This 2019. Americans like one color and that is green and rich blacks have lots of it.
Your premise is that rich blacks face the same issues of racism as do poor blacks. You scream that their wealth does nothing to protect them, so you imagine that a poor white will be treated better than a rich black.
Just imagine some homeless white opioid addict (and there are many around these days) inventing a fictitious claim of an attack, getting a major city to spend tens of thousands of dollars to investigate. Tying up the court system of a major city. And then we find out that is a hoax.
They would be jailed and for a long time too. Jussie Smollett, a rich black man with powerful black friends (the Obamas), can do this and then be let go with no consequences. He can use the fact that classism, racism and homophobia are real issues in this country as a fiction to garner pity so that he could be paid more money in his TV role. He is even willing to throw some less affluent blacks under the bus as he selfishly tries to grab as much cash as he can.
His actions now give those who deny the impacts of racism, classism and homophobia on the lives of less affluent people a pass, because they will cite Jussie as an example. Suddenly all these will be hoaxes because a wealthy greedy black man with lots of powerful friends pulled an antic to get even more $$$ than he already has.
Look at all the talk shows that he got and all the sympathy. And even now that its a hoax has he really been punished? No. He is on to the next script I bet, now that Empire is running its last season and he wouldn't want to be typecast. He is just another bad behaving male actor, getting the same pass as did those white male ones.
Yes some ignorant white racist might pull a stunt. Do you know that many of those idiots on Charlottesville are now unemployed and unemployable? This is why almost no one showed up to the anniversary march. The rich whites will chew up and destroy any poor white he thinks in 2019 he can attack a rich black, Asian or Hispanic and get away with it.
Now the rich racists are pouring scorn on poor whites just as they do on poor blacks. Being poor in this country is a crime and it doesn't matter if one is black or white.
You bigots should listen attentively. Listen to an ex-slave telling the white gentleman about the God-given rights he has as a person. And that was an ex-slave with such wisdom.
You two bigots have drank the whitemans coolaid. It made you bigots.
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seignet posted:You bigots should listen attentively. Listen to an ex-slave telling the white gentleman about the God-given rights he has as a person. And that was an ex-slave with such wisdom.
You two bigots have drank the whitemans coolaid. It made you bigots.
Seignet I have come to the conclusion that you have mental issues. YOU are the one who is always praising white people. Screaming that North America belongs to them and us colored folks need to keep quiet and do was we are told.
Well that man told YOU that he was born with rights, the same ones due to any American and the notion that he should go "back" to Africa is ridiculous. By 1865 his family most likely would have been 4 generations American born. In 1865 most whites were still immigrants, or the children of such. Many of the ancestors of today's white Americans had NOT even arrived in the USA at that point!
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And even in 1865 class allowed certain blacks to reduce the impacts of the savage bigotry of that era.
The field slaves, lacking skills, illiterate, and having limited means to earn an income were left like stray cows. They were treated virtually as slaves when they were forced to become share croppers, or continue to wage labor on the plantations.
Many of the skilled workers had earned some income and had some savings and were able to acquire lands which were available quite cheaply.
Many of the house slaves had literacy and so the ability to acquire further education and enter certain lower tier professions catering to blacks.
Both became the nucleus of a black middle class which began to emerge during the Reconstruction, and managed to survive even when that ended and the ravages of Jim Crow began. Their lives were much better than that of the share cropper whose life had scarcely improved since the end of slavery.
There were a few thriving black communities in some parts of the South anchored by these people whose ancestors were "luckier" slaves, therefore better positioned to survive once slavery ended.
Racism is a fact of life in the USA as is classism. These are two separate forces. The best off are the rich whites who suffer neither racism nor classism, The worst off are the poor blacks who suffer both.
We can debate as to whether poor whites are better off than rich blacks. It appears to most that in 2019 it becomes obvious that its the rich black who benefits more from the largesse of the USA than does the poor white. When the rich black encounters racism they can usually deal with it, often punishing those who offend them. Poor whites are increasing trapped in the same miasma of hopelessness that trapped poor blacks generations ago as local economies die.
Even if all racism ended today some blacks will still suffer because they remain trapped in a conditioned induced by multi generational poverty. So ending racism isnt the only issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Julius_Wilson
This man has a whole analysis of the condition of the black poor. He is not popular in certain elite black circles because they wish to keep the poor black poor, so they can guilt white elites into engaging solely in race based approaches which assist those blacks who already have the soft and hard skills and social capital to thrive once this has been removed.
The more complex issue of dealing with the black poor isnt a topic of interest to these black elites, and the truth is that many of these people are as disdainful of the black poor as are whites. This is also true in Guyana and APNU will discover this when the turnout of the black poor plummets.
caribny posted:seignet posted:You bigots should listen attentively. Listen to an ex-slave telling the white gentleman about the God-given rights he has as a person. And that was an ex-slave with such wisdom.
You two bigots have drank the whitemans coolaid. It made you bigots.
Seignet I have come to the conclusion that you have mental issues. YOU are the one who is always praising white people. Screaming that North America belongs to them and us colored folks need to keep quiet and do was we are told.
Well that man told YOU that he was born with rights, the same ones due to any American and the notion that he should go "back" to Africa is ridiculous. By 1865 his family most likely would have been 4 generations American born. In 1865 most whites were still immigrants, or the children of such. Many of the ancestors of today's white Americans had NOT even arrived in the USA at that point!
The man has God-given rights, just like him so do Blacks today. If your rights are violated then move to some place else. Burnham violated Indian rights and they moved. Today, there are millions of people all over world on the move. It is a silly thing to think if a person is born in a country they belong there. Africans doan think so, dey on the move, so are others in the world. Black Americans seems to think they are going stay where they and the whiteman have to mind them. The Whites dominated the world, they went everywhere and was everywhere. You see how the Chinese are doing the same today. American Blacks want to shame White Americans.
seignet posted:If your rights are violated then move to some place else. Burnham violated Indian rights and they moved.
Today, there are millions of people all over world on the move.
Did all the East Indian moved ? Most people are on the moving to uplift their lives,most are poor, unless you know otherwise.
caribny posted:You can jump up and down and make me try to say that rich and poor blacks are equally impacted by racism. NO! Rich blacks face LESS racism and when they do they can punish those stupid enough to stereotype them.Oprah sees a store closing and then gets into a tantrum because they refuse her entry. Screams racism and uses her RICH BLACK WOMAN clout to have a poorer white woman punished.
Still think that class is race based, because if it was Oprah would have been the one arrested for creating a scene in a country where she isn't a citizen!
Look at Jussie Smollett. Faked an attack and got Chicago to spend thousands of dollars. When it was discovered that he lied his rich black privilege ensured that he did NOT face the consequences. The limited punishment he deserves because in this country racism is still a fact of life and he disrespected those who still suffer the consequences.
But he is a rich black so has no need to care about how his actions impact others. Yes racism is an issue that rich blacks have the power and the social networks to punish those who ill treat them. Jussie knows the Obama's and they told Chicago to drop the case.
You think the Obama's would have made that call if it was some poor white kid? You seriously don't think that a rich white person would care either.
Rich folks protect their own, regardless as to whether they are black or white.
Why do people hate black poor most of all? - your claim. Please explain it.
Do you not understand the reference to pre-1957?
Do you believe the CEO of Black Enterprise was harassed by a white cop for anything other than being black?
Should Sasha Obama manage to find herself isolated in the deep south in a conflict with a white person of any social status who does not know who she is, what do you think will happen to Sasha Obama and do you think the treatment meted out to her will not be biased because she is black?
How equal is the treatment meted out to poor blacks and poor whites from the authorities and business infrastructure?
Would a rich white woman ever be told she cannot enter a store simply because she's white?
caribny posted:Sasha is a rich "white" girl who happens to be black. Should anyone treat her as "pre 1957" that will be the last act that they will commit before being thrown into the system and destroyed. Those who called Michelle an ape have regretted it. Careers destroyed as the system crushed those for daring to think that they can humiliate the rich. At least one of them is now in jail. I bet if they laughed at some poor white opioid addict they would still be gainfully employed.
Please don't feel sorry for her or Spike as they will both laugh at a little immigrant like you. While Barack plays golf and cuts deals with the richest and most powerful, all glad to know a highly thought of black man. And this includes BOTH the liberals and the conservatives. Do you have access to any of these people? No you don't and you NEVER will even though you aren't black!
This is NOT 1957. This 2019. Americans like one color and that is green and rich blacks have lots of it.
Your premise is that rich blacks face the same issues of racism as do poor blacks. You scream that their wealth does nothing to protect them, so you imagine that a poor white will be treated better than a rich black.
Just imagine some homeless white opioid addict (and there are many around these days) inventing a fictitious claim of an attack, getting a major city to spend tens of thousands of dollars to investigate. Tying up the court system of a major city. And then we find out that is a hoax.
They would be jailed and for a long time too. Jussie Smollett, a rich black man with powerful black friends (the Obamas), can do this and then be let go with no consequences. He can use the fact that classism, racism and homophobia are real issues in this country as a fiction to garner pity so that he could be paid more money in his TV role. He is even willing to throw some less affluent blacks under the bus as he selfishly tries to grab as much cash as he can.
His actions now give those who deny the impacts of racism, classism and homophobia on the lives of less affluent people a pass, because they will cite Jussie as an example. Suddenly all these will be hoaxes because a wealthy greedy black man with lots of powerful friends pulled an antic to get even more $$$ than he already has.
Look at all the talk shows that he got and all the sympathy. And even now that its a hoax has he really been punished? No. He is on to the next script I bet, now that Empire is running its last season and he wouldn't want to be typecast. He is just another bad behaving male actor, getting the same pass as did those white male ones.
Yes some ignorant white racist might pull a stunt. Do you know that many of those idiots on Charlottesville are now unemployed and unemployable? This is why almost no one showed up to the anniversary march. The rich whites will chew up and destroy any poor white he thinks in 2019 he can attack a rich black, Asian or Hispanic and get away with it.
Now the rich racists are pouring scorn on poor whites just as they do on poor blacks. Being poor in this country is a crime and it doesn't matter if one is black or white.
Why do people hate black poor most of all? - your claim. Please explain it.
Do you not understand the reference to pre-1957?
Do you believe the CEO of Black Enterprise was harassed by a white cop for anything other than being black?
Should Sasha Obama manage to find herself isolated in the deep south in a conflict with a white person of any social status who does not know who she is, what do you think will happen to Sasha Obama and do you think the treatment meted out to her will not be biased because she is black?
How equal is the treatment meted out to poor blacks and poor whites from the authorities and business infrastructure?
Would a rich white woman ever be told she cannot enter a store simply because she's white?
seignet posted:You bigots should listen attentively. Listen to an ex-slave telling the white gentleman about the God-given rights he has as a person. And that was an ex-slave with such wisdom.
You two bigots have drank the whitemans coolaid. It made you bigots.
You don't understand the video do you? Please watch it again.
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance. This definition describes you perfectly.
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Django posted:My first shoe was a hand me down from one of my cousins, it was too tight and gave it back to my aunt, it came in handy my younger cousins. Around when i was 14 yrs, on a school tour to the Botanic gardens, my mom bought a white yachting boots, that's all she could afford, i cherished and keep that foot wear for a long time.
You are probably correct, Iguiana may have grown up uppity, he needs to tone down. Trying to get back at the guys who are condescending to Afro-Guyanese, which is not acceptable. He is getting himself muddy just like them with some of his descriptions of Indo-Guyanese. In the early days over 90 percent of kids in the country areas walked bare foot to schools.
Nothing to be ashamed about walking barefoot, many countries in the world people are doing such.
My ancestors did not wear shoes either when they dug the canals and slaved in the hot sun. For y'all Indians to take offense to the term "barefoot" is absurd given that ALL our ancestors were barefoot at one time or the other.
That you see the term "barefoot" applying to Indians ONLY speaks to alyuh deep seated victimhood. Conveniently yuh forget black people were barefoot too.
As for refugees....is alyuh Indians that seh you are "refugees" from Guyana, claiming that black man beat and torture alyuh and mek yuh run away. Search the archives and you will find at least Herr Baseman or one of he cohorts proclaiming such. I call you what you say you are.
Nothing wrong with being a barefoot Indian running to America, but when people like yuh "big brother" and that ignar Dave who bait you into mekking this post run to America and tek they nasty neva see cum fuh see self and cuss black people who fight for equal rights that THEY now benefit from, then yes, I WILL remind them of who they are!
Iguana posted:Django posted:My first shoe was a hand me down from one of my cousins, it was too tight and gave it back to my aunt, it came in handy my younger cousins. Around when i was 14 yrs, on a school tour to the Botanic gardens, my mom bought a white yachting boots, that's all she could afford, i cherished and keep that foot wear for a long time.
You are probably correct, Iguiana may have grown up uppity, he needs to tone down. Trying to get back at the guys who are condescending to Afro-Guyanese, which is not acceptable. He is getting himself muddy just like them with some of his descriptions of Indo-Guyanese. In the early days over 90 percent of kids in the country areas walked bare foot to schools.
Nothing to be ashamed about walking barefoot, many countries in the world people are doing such.
My ancestors did not wear shoes either when they dug the canals and slaved in the hot sun. For y'all Indians to take offense to the term "barefoot" is absurd given that ALL our ancestors were barefoot at one time or the other.
That you see the term "barefoot" applying to Indians ONLY speaks to alyuh deep seated victimhood. Conveniently yuh forget black people were barefoot too.
As for refugees....is alyuh Indians that seh you are "refugees" from Guyana, claiming that black man beat and torture alyuh and mek yuh run away. Search the archives and you will find at least Herr Baseman or one of he cohorts proclaiming such. I call you what you say you are.
Nothing wrong with being a barefoot Indian running to America, but when people like yuh "big brother" and that ignar Dave who bait you into mekking this post run to America and tek they nasty neva see cum fuh see self and cuss black people who fight for equal rights that THEY now benefit from, then yes, I WILL remind them of who they are!
I never walked barefooted in Guyana.
Iguana posted:My ancestors did not wear shoes either when they dug the canals and slaved in the hot sun. For y'all Indians to take offense to the term "barefoot" is absurd given that ALL our ancestors were barefoot at one time or the other.
Not the same thing i said, we born with shoes ..eh .. bhai.
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Iguana posted:Django posted:My first shoe was a hand me down from one of my cousins, it was too tight and gave it back to my aunt, it came in handy my younger cousins. Around when i was 14 yrs, on a school tour to the Botanic gardens, my mom bought a white yachting boots, that's all she could afford, i cherished and keep that foot wear for a long time.
You are probably correct, Iguiana may have grown up uppity, he needs to tone down. Trying to get back at the guys who are condescending to Afro-Guyanese, which is not acceptable. He is getting himself muddy just like them with some of his descriptions of Indo-Guyanese. In the early days over 90 percent of kids in the country areas walked bare foot to schools.
Nothing to be ashamed about walking barefoot, many countries in the world people are doing such.
My ancestors did not wear shoes either when they dug the canals and slaved in the hot sun. For y'all Indians to take offense to the term "barefoot" is absurd given that ALL our ancestors were barefoot at one time or the other.
That you see the term "barefoot" applying to Indians ONLY speaks to alyuh deep seated victimhood. Conveniently yuh forget black people were barefoot too.
As for refugees....is alyuh Indians that seh you are "refugees" from Guyana, claiming that black man beat and torture alyuh and mek yuh run away. Search the archives and you will find at least Herr Baseman or one of he cohorts proclaiming such. I call you what you say you are.
Nothing wrong with being a barefoot Indian running to America, but when people like yuh "big brother" and that ignar Dave who bait you into mekking this post run to America and tek they nasty neva see cum fuh see self and cuss black people who fight for equal rights that THEY now benefit from, then yes, I WILL remind them of who they are!
Donât point fingers at anyone that they â neva see cum to seeâ - you too barefaced to seh that.. you only saw the light when YOU reach Amerika you dipshit . So haul you dutty self so.
Enough with your intolerance and disdain for Indian culture, we owe you nothing and is not responsible for your low life.
This forum was very quiet fo a little while, about which race is more superior until YOU show up again with your sociopath mentality.
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Dave posted:Donât point fingers at anyone that they â neva see cum to seeâ - you too barefaced to seh that.. you only saw the light when YOU reach Amerika you dipshit . So haul you dutty self so.
Enough with your intolerance and disdain for Indian culture, we owe you nothing and is not responsible for your low life.
This forum was very quiet fo a little while, about which race is more superior until YOU show up again with your sociopath mentality.
i am amused at the proud Indo-klan member posting here as "Dave" reaching far, far beyond his feeble intellect for moral high ground
in what he thinks is a sweet smartman move
lol
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