Munich under fire. This time the gunmen are on the loose.  Multiple deaths and injuries from more than one location.  Thank you Angela Merkel for opening your borders.  

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Munich under fire. This time the gunmen are on the loose.  Multiple deaths and injuries from more than one location.  Thank you Angela Merkel for opening your borders.  

I was wondering why it took you so long to expend your anti-Muslim bigotry here! Angela Merkel opening borders..........you could open a store for dog whistles.

Ahh, was looking to go to London and Germany next month for vacation.  Sad indeed.

Wear a burkah 

Kari posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Munich under fire. This time the gunmen are on the loose.  Multiple deaths and injuries from more than one location.  Thank you Angela Merkel for opening your borders.  

I was wondering why it took you so long to expend your anti-Muslim bigotry here! Angela Merkel opening borders..........you could open a store for dog whistles.

it will most likely be Muslims so why would saying what is expected to be the conclusion an anti Muslim posting? The axe murderer was one being afforded refuge status and housed at the expense of the state but he had an ISIS flag in his apartment. This is a muslim disease whether you like it or not.

Over one million refugees entered Germany over the last year.  At least 70% of those had no passport.   Angela Merkel is a slacker.  She thinks she is the head of the European Union.  

If this kind of terror continues it would lead to a great conflict between the West and many Islamic countries. We might end up being involved in a war worst than anything else since WWII

Billy Ram - please read Samuel Hungtington's book, The Clash of Civilizations.  He predicted just that.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

If this kind of terror continues it would lead to a great conflict between the West and many Islamic countries. We might end up being involved in a war worst than anything else since WWII

Islamic countries do not have the military might to fight and this is not about east west conflict. It is about conflict in Islam seeping into the west because of the disintegration of Islamic states. It is actually a collapse of the Islamic world. There will be a quarantine of this world as if they are carrier of a deadly plague.

Germans have effectively stopped the flow of immigrants. The tipping point was assault on German women at Christmas by the new refugees. Germans have had enough and across europe is every nation for itself with these immigrants and each have effectively begun to shut their borders. Turkey will certainly not be given free SCHENGEN privileges as recently being negotiated. Brexit came about because of this.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Billy Ram - please read Samuel Hungtington's book, The Clash of Civilizations.  He predicted just that.

You need to read the book. It did not speak specifically to Islam but to fundamentalism of all sorts including christian fundamentalism. It is a counter to the End of History thesis that centered on the idea that democracy is the end all and all states will begin to evolve naturally to it.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Billy Ram - please read Samuel Hungtington's book, The Clash of Civilizations.  He predicted just that.

Thanks.  I just put in a request to borrow from the library.  

Islamic Terrorists last hurrah before Trump takes the reins.  They are making the most hay as their, and Obama's, sun sets and the rise of the new star, Trump!

Hillary will not become our Angela  Merkel!!  

ba$eman posted:

Islamic Terrorists last hurrah before Trump takes the reins.  They are making the most hay as their, and Obama's, sun sets and the rise of the new star, Trump!

Hillary will not become our Angela  Merkel!!  

Wishing for Trump wont make it happen. He has the narrowest of path to victory and all on the backs of  older, uneducated whites and that is a heavy lift.

And he does not have a plan...for anything....he has lots of hot air

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

If this kind of terror continues it would lead to a great conflict between the West and many Islamic countries. We might end up being involved in a war worst than anything else since WWII

War should be a last resort - A  better way to deal with this would be to apply economic pressure to countries suspected of funding this type of activity.  Then it gets tricky, which countries and how do you apply? 

Secondly - discourage migration from these countries, again tough to decide how/which countries? 

Stormborn posted:

ba$eman posted:

Islamic Terrorists last hurrah before Trump takes the reins.  They are making the most hay as their, and Obama's, sun sets and the rise of the new star, Trump!

Hillary will not become our Angela  Merkel!!  

Wishing for Trump wont make it happen. He has the narrowest of path to victory and all on the backs of  older, uneducated whites and that is a heavy lift.

And he does not have a plan...for anything....he has lots of hot air

Trump was he 1% man by experts. Well,he was thee last man last left standing.  Some will be the case come NOv.  

 alena06 posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

If this kind of terror continues it would lead to a great conflict between the West and many Islamic countries. We might end up being involved in a war worst than anything else since WWII

War should be a last resort - A  better way to deal with this would be to apply economic pressure to countries suspected of funding this type of activity.  Then it gets tricky, which countries and how do you apply? 

Secondly - discourage migration from these countries, again tough to decide how/which countries? 

 

Unfortunately, the terror wahabisatans have nuf nuff money and oil to last a long time.  We need to separate them from their oil.  this will only come about thru war!!  There is little choice.

Can't be IS, these fellas ran away...normally IS stand fight or blow themselves up

Stormborn posted:

Islamic countries do not have the military might to fight and this is not about east west conflict. It is about conflict in Islam seeping into the west because of the disintegration of Islamic states. It is actually a collapse of the Islamic world. 

 

D2,

Isn't this what all decent people were warning about, including the late POPE John Paul, that invading countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan will create a volatile world?

Let's have a decent and fair discussion on this. I agree with you, that yes, the people who are carrying out these terrorists acts against innocents are Muslims. But let's stop there because Islam does not teach this!

The terrorists who are engaging in these acts are doing so out of deep wounds that they are harboring for the West. A war was declared and it is still on, so the people who are engaged in this war are now using anyone who are sympathetic with them to fight their war.  ISIS and the other groups are not playing by the rules of war and they are out to kill anyone in their way, including Muslims.  

ba$eman posted:

Stormborn posted:

ba$eman posted:

Islamic Terrorists last hurrah before Trump takes the reins.  They are making the most hay as their, and Obama's, sun sets and the rise of the new star, Trump!

Hillary will not become our Angela  Merkel!!  

Wishing for Trump wont make it happen. He has the narrowest of path to victory and all on the backs of  older, uneducated whites and that is a heavy lift.

And he does not have a plan...for anything....he has lots of hot air

Trump was he 1% man by experts. Well,he was thee last man last left standing.  Some will be the case come NOv.  

on Nov 9th...beer will be split...in lieu of the coming Hillary years.

Chief posted:

Stormborn posted:

Islamic countries do not have the military might to fight and this is not about east west conflict. It is about conflict in Islam seeping into the west because of the disintegration of Islamic states. It is actually a

Let's have a decent and fair discussion on this. I agree with you, that yes, the people who are carrying out these terrorists acts against innocents are Muslims. But let's stop there because Islam does not teach this!

.  

Chief one day you will learn that your dialogue shouldn't be directed towards non Muslims.  Germany was humane and invited 1 million Muslims in as refugees. Among them are small numbers who aren't being nice.  As a result 99.999% of Muslims are being scapegoated.

It is in the interests of Muslims to deal with this, and stop cackling nonsense that Islam doesn't teach people to kill. Well there are Muslims who kill based upon what they see in the Koran and what is taught to them by certain imams.  Denying this fact doesn't help you.

Hey Carib

I am a Muslim, and I have never being taught to kill...why don't you base your opinion on what I say vs the ones who kill?

RiffRaff posted:

Hey Carib

I am a Muslim, and I have never being taught to kill...why don't you base your opinion on what I say vs the ones who kill?

Maybe you should read more carefully.  I said that there are some Muslims who killed based on what they see in the Koran. I further stated that some are taught this by certain imams.

Do you deny that there aren't some imams who preach hate, and brainwash the vulnerable?  Do you deny that there aren't those who kill, based on their interpretation of the Koran?

Its better for Muslims to admit these facts and try to rescue the image of Islam from these people.  Because with every violent incident it becomes harder and harder for people not to see this as an image of Islam, because we don't see other religions engaged in this religious based warfare to the same degree.

Bill Maher will have a field day tonight, with a knowing "you see I told you so" look on his face.  Wasting time arguing with non Muslims, when it is clear that Muslims have to rescue their religion, doesn't help the image of your religion.

FACT.  There are Muslims creating serious problems, using the religion as an excuse.  FACT.  Muslims need to address this problem.  FACT. Bad behaved Muslims just embarrassed a woman who tried to rescue 1 million Muslims, and she will lose the next election as a result.  FACT.  Muslims will suffer when the new German government comes in.

Chief posted:

Stormborn posted:

Islamic countries do not have the military might to fight and this is not about east west conflict. It is about conflict in Islam seeping into the west because of the disintegration of Islamic states. It is actually a collapse of the Islamic world. 

 

D2,

Isn't this what all decent people were warning about, including the late POPE John Paul, that invading countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan will create a volatile world?

Let's have a decent and fair discussion on this. I agree with you, that yes, the people who are carrying out these terrorists acts against innocents are Muslims. But let's stop there because Islam does not teach this!

The terrorists who are engaging in these acts are doing so out of deep wounds that they are harboring for the West. A war was declared and it is still on, so the people who are engaged in this war are now using anyone who are sympathetic with them to fight their war.  ISIS and the other groups are not playing by the rules of war and they are out to kill anyone in their way, including Muslims.  

Bull crap. Saddam had already killed some 300 thousand and was on the the way to draining the swamp to murder the swamp Arabs. He had also gassed the Kurd and sent them into the wilderness as refugees until the US created a no fly zone so he could not pick them off like flies.  This was all after he had just lost a war sighed a treaty. 

As for the rest of the arab world it was no less collapse of their own system of government...Islamic at that. Tunisia fell on its own and so did Libya and Egypt and Afghanistan...all because there seems to be no capacity in Islam to express itself in respect for other lives.

Why should I stop with labeling the people who are doing this and not the failure of the culture from which the come? Get it into your head...as christianity failed to hold the christian world together because of its insular totalitarianism until it grasped its disease, so has Islam.

Christianity learned that it can splinter and still be a faith. It can have other interpretations coexisting in the same space  and still be a religion. It can by consensus achieve a universal creed through the mediation of secular rule and still be just.

Islam is cannibalizing itself because it cannot accept that the fact  there is not one Ummah but many and that there is not one version of the faith but many and that they must live with it as a conglomeration of many drinking from the same fountain but with different cups. Presently, Islam has no identity except the nebulous one often referred to pure Islam as opposed to those who kill in its name. Alas, there is no pure fount.

RiffRaff posted:

Hey Carib

I am a Muslim, and I have never being taught to kill...why don't you base your opinion on what I say vs the ones who kill?

Profound and thank you!!

RiffRaff posted:

Hey Carib

I am a Muslim, and I have never being taught to kill...why don't you base your opinion on what I say vs the ones who kill?

All Muslims are not killers, but recently the killings are done by Muslims. Peter pay for Paul and Paul Pays for all.

caribny posted:

Chief posted:

Stormborn posted:

Islamic countries do not have the military might to fight and this is not about east west conflict. It is about conflict in Islam seeping into the west because of the disintegration of Islamic states. It is actually a

Let's have a decent and fair discussion on this. I agree with you, that yes, the people who are carrying out these terrorists acts against innocents are Muslims. But let's stop there because Islam does not teach this!

.  

Chief one day you will learn that your dialogue shouldn't be directed towards non Muslims.  Germany was humane and invited 1 million Muslims in as refugees. Among them are small numbers who aren't being nice.  As a result 99.999% of Muslims are being scapegoated.

It is in the interests of Muslims to deal with this, and stop cackling nonsense that Islam doesn't teach people to kill. Well there are Muslims who kill based upon what they see in the Koran and what is taught to them by certain imams.  Denying this fact doesn't help you.

Germany was humane and invited 1 million Muslims in as refugees.

This is where you lose us CARIBNY.....invited 1 million refugees from Syria who happened to be Muslim (maybe quite a few are Yazidis, Mennonites, Alawites too, and Christians). You always begin with a prejudiced premise, hence the rest of your contribution is colored.

Stormborn posted:

Chief posted:

Stormborn posted:

Islamic countries do not have the military might to fight and this is not about east west conflict. It is about conflict in Islam seeping into the west because of the disintegration of Islamic states. It is actually a collapse of the Islamic world. 

 

D2,

Isn't this what all decent people were warning about, including the late POPE John Paul, that invading countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan will create a volatile world?

Let's have a decent and fair discussion on this. I agree with you, that yes, the people who are carrying out these terrorists acts against innocents are Muslims. But let's stop there because Islam does not teach this!

The terrorists who are engaging in these acts are doing so out of deep wounds that they are harboring for the West. A war was declared and it is still on, so the people who are engaged in this war are now using anyone who are sympathetic with them to fight their war.  ISIS and the other groups are not playing by the rules of war and they are out to kill anyone in their way, including Muslims.  

Bull crap. Saddam had already killed some 300 thousand and was on the the way to draining the swamp to murder the swamp Arabs. He had also gassed the Kurd and sent them into the wilderness as refugees until the US created a no fly zone so he could not pick them off like flies.  This was all after he had just lost a war sighed a treaty. 

As for the rest of the arab world it was no less collapse of their own system of government...Islamic at that. Tunisia fell on its own and so did Libya and Egypt and Afghanistan...all because there seems to be no capacity in Islam to express itself in respect for other lives.

Why should I stop with labeling the people who are doing this and not the failure of the culture from which the come? Get it into your head...as christianity failed to hold the christian world together because of its insular totalitarianism until it grasped its disease, so has Islam.

Christianity learned that it can splinter and still be a faith. It can have other interpretations coexisting in the same space  and still be a religion. It can by consensus achieve a universal creed through the mediation of secular rule and still be just.

Islam is cannibalizing itself because it cannot accept that the fact  there is not one Ummah but many and that there is not one version of the faith but many and that they must live with it as a conglomeration of many drinking from the same fountain but with different cups. Presently, Islam has no identity except the nebulous one often referred to pure Islam as opposed to those who kill in its name. Alas, there is no pure fount.

All of this this and you fail to address the points I made.

Let me make this clear to use , Arabs and Arab leaders are doing a bundle of nonsense , sometimes  not even close to what Islam teaches.

RiffRaff posted:

Hey Carib

I am a Muslim, and I have never being taught to kill...why don't you base your opinion on what I say vs the ones who kill?

Bro....this is not a failure of religion to teach. All religion fail.  That is a fact. It is how they have prepared itself to recover and reconstitute itself. Islam has no such safety net. This collapse of one civilization is producing chaos in others. It is a re alignment of the Islamic world into something new or the rise of a new pogrom in europe against Muslims.

Europe external borders collapsed last year because of the disintegration of muslim states. Germany facilitated that border collapse by presenting itself as a safe haven. Europe fractured and each state began to raise its borders. Britain even exited the union.

Those coming from Muslim lands have many damaged people by the cruelty they have seen. Also being unable to speak the languages of those state in which they find themselves are  alienated from their host. These people themselves do not want them for the most part so everyone are now displeased at some level. This has become more than religion.

Chief posted:

RiffRaff posted:

Hey Carib

I am a Muslim, and I have never being taught to kill...why don't you base your opinion on what I say vs the ones who kill?

Profound and thank you!!

Chief its your belief that Islam is a superior religion to others which traps you.  It isn't.  Muslims can be as sinful as people from other religions.

However what is unique about Islam is that in 2016 there are adherents who hold on to the Koran as their justification for murder.

You need to stop trying to fool yourself that Islam is special.  It isn't.  And the mayhem of the past month must be a nightmare to folks like you who pretend that it is.

Muslims need to address the hijacking of their religion by this narrow group of zealots. Telling us that Islam doesn't allow killing is useless. We know that Islam spread by the sword just as Christianity did, and in 2016 there exists today small numbers of people still waging this jihad.

Chief posted:

Stormborn posted:

Chief posted:

Stormborn posted:

Islamic countries do not have the military might to fight and this is not about east west conflict. It is about conflict in Islam seeping into the west because of the disintegration of Islamic states. It is actually a collapse of the Islamic world. 

 

D2,

Isn't this what all decent people were warning about, including the late POPE John Paul, that invading countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan will create a volatile world?

Let's have a decent and fair discussion on this. I agree with you, that yes, the people who are carrying out these terrorists acts against innocents are Muslims. But let's stop there because Islam does not teach this!

The terrorists who are engaging in these acts are doing so out of deep wounds that they are harboring for the West. A war was declared and it is still on, so the people who are engaged in this war are now using anyone who are sympathetic with them to fight their war.  ISIS and the other groups are not playing by the rules of war and they are out to kill anyone in their way, including Muslims.  

Bull crap. Saddam had already killed some 300 thousand and was on the the way to draining the swamp to murder the swamp Arabs. He had also gassed the Kurd and sent them into the wilderness as refugees until the US created a no fly zone so he could not pick them off like flies.  This was all after he had just lost a war sighed a treaty. 

As for the rest of the arab world it was no less collapse of their own system of government...Islamic at that. Tunisia fell on its own and so did Libya and Egypt and Afghanistan...all because there seems to be no capacity in Islam to express itself in respect for other lives.

Why should I stop with labeling the people who are doing this and not the failure of the culture from which the come? Get it into your head...as christianity failed to hold the christian world together because of its insular totalitarianism until it grasped its disease, so has Islam.

Christianity learned that it can splinter and still be a faith. It can have other interpretations coexisting in the same space  and still be a religion. It can by consensus achieve a universal creed through the mediation of secular rule and still be just.

Islam is cannibalizing itself because it cannot accept that the fact  there is not one Ummah but many and that there is not one version of the faith but many and that they must live with it as a conglomeration of many drinking from the same fountain but with different cups. Presently, Islam has no identity except the nebulous one often referred to pure Islam as opposed to those who kill in its name. Alas, there is no pure fount.

All of this this and you fail to address the points I made.

Let me make this clear to use , Arabs and Arab leaders are doing a bundle of nonsense , sometimes  not even close to what Islam teaches.

 

They are irrelevant. And what Islam teaches is certainly not clear to the Arab world or so many of its rulers would not participate in such terrible cruelty to others. The Gulf states have millions in slavery.

The salvation of Islam is in Lebanon, Jordan  Egypt and Turkey and they themselves have to re constitute what they believe.

Chief posted:

Stormborn posted:

Islamic countries do not have the military might to fight and this is not about east west conflict. It is about conflict in Islam seeping into the west because of the disintegration of Islamic states. It is actually a collapse of the Islamic world. 

 

D2,

Isn't this what all decent people were warning about, including the late POPE John Paul, that invading countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan will create a volatile world?

Let's have a decent and fair discussion on this. I agree with you, that yes, the people who are carrying out these terrorists acts against innocents are Muslims. But let's stop there because Islam does not teach this!

The terrorists who are engaging in these acts are doing so out of deep wounds that they are harboring for the West. A war was declared and it is still on, so the people who are engaged in this war are now using anyone who are sympathetic with them to fight their war.  ISIS and the other groups are not playing by the rules of war and they are out to kill anyone in their way, including Muslims.  

Stop pedelling crap you liar.  Who was invaded prior to the 9/11 attacks?  You clowns look for every reason to justify terrorism. You people shamelessly jump from limb to limb to justify the unjustifiable.  You cuddle with the Hisidic settler class in Brooklyn who oppress the Palestinians yet you blame America for terrorism.

BTW, how exactly are regular Muslims supposed to stop these fellas who seem to get their inspiration online vs the mosque? If the intelligence agencies can't seem to track them with all their equipment, how can regular people keep tabs on them...some of them don't even go to the mosque, so you can't say that is where they are learning the stuff

BTW, these may be white separatists

RiffRaff posted:

BTW, these may be white separatists

That might be true, but then there have been several incidents by people claiming that they act to defend the interests of Islam.

RiffRaff posted:

 

BTW, how exactly are regular Muslims supposed to stop these fellas who seem to get their inspiration online vs the mosque? If the intelligence agencies can't seem to track them with all their equipment, how can regular people keep tabs on them...some of them don't even go to the mosque, so you can't say that is where they are learning the stuff

The muslim community is not to be burdened to find terrorists. They however can use their extended communal bonds across the globe and assert through their teachings a firm vocal declaration of faith on an international scale. These terrorists should not have a home in the faith that is valid.

The sweet sound of "Allah Huh Akbar" seems to give Salvation to Terrorists.

RiffRaff posted:

BTW, these may be white separatists

Could be. But if I was a betting person, I will bet my gold chain it is the Brothers.

Shooting Children sitting down having a big Mac can only point to the brothers.

Stormborn posted:

RiffRaff posted:

 

BTW, how exactly are regular Muslims supposed to stop these fellas who seem to get their inspiration online vs the mosque? If the intelligence agencies can't seem to track them with all their equipment, how can regular people keep tabs on them...some of them don't even go to the mosque, so you can't say that is where they are learning the stuff

The muslim community is not to be burdened to find terrorists. They however can use their extended communal bonds across the globe and assert through their teachings a firm vocal declaration of faith on an international scale. These terrorists should not have a home in the faith that is valid.

Extended communal bonds? You give us too much credit. We have been saying en masse that these terrorists are not not practicsing true Islam. Most Muslims around the world have condemned these terrorists. No one gives them a home, we cannot stop them from saying they are Muslims...they have killed more Muslims than non Muslims, you think Muslims love them??