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From the chatter I am hearing from those close to both campaign teams, Moses Nagamootoo has proven to be a rank disappointment in the eyes of APNU as he is not really campaigning in Indian areas and not showing his Indian support (because he has none). This is probably due to the fact that he has no cult following outside of some homeless Jaganites on GNI and FB.

 

The PPP is sharing money like it's goin outta style and the Coalition is a terribly compromised organization. There are lots of PNC and AFC soupies who have been secretly flipped by the PPP within the ranks of the Coalition.

 

The PPP is just worried about post-election violence in the expected event of their victory. They are confident about victory. It seems that the PPP has made up for rank incompetence by bribing almost everyone.

 

Once again Granger is in a terrible position in the PNC as he is being seen as a transition figure by many and he cannot wield the kind of authority he feels is necessary to clinch victory.

 

It seems that for many Guyanese the lesson of this election will be that a wad of PPP cash is too tempting to pass up. This election is becoming more akin to an election in Georgian England. APNU can't compete with PPP cash and Guyanese greed.

 

To be frank, I'm actually surprised at the greed and cuthroat behavior of Guyanese Blacks. I didn't think it was possible for a PPP Government to control Black people with some bribes. I was wrong. I misunderstood the nature of all Guyanese people. They are universally corrupt and like a life of ease and easy money. Maybe we really are "One People One Nation" more than we care to admit.

 

Milky tea is saving the PPP! That is the story of the 2015 election. I expect a PPP Majority Government.

 

 

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"From the chatter I am hearing from those close to both campaign teams, Moses Nagamootoo has proven to be a rank disappointment in the eyes of APNU as he is not really campaigning in Indian areas and not showing his Indian support (because he has none). This is probably due to the fact that he has no cult following outside of some homeless Jaganites on GNI and FB."

 

"The PPP is just worried about post-election violence in the expected event of their victory. They are confident about victory."

Yuji's 53 Percent PPP majority prediction stands.

 

Moses can talk and talk is cheap. AFC consists of a bunch of lazy politicians who can wine and dine and have nice speeches to stroke each other's ego.

 

PNC's biggest mistake was to refuse to apologize to Indos for their wrongdoings and rigging. They could have done so a year ago. 

 

Granger saying that he is not Burnham was not enough. He lost a golden opportunity to apologize in front of a crowd of mainly Indos in NY.

 

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

I live and die by one principle:

 

Money talks and BS walks.

Your Bhagavad Gita does not endorse that principle. My copy says otherwise.

 

Did you carefully read the Mahabharata ? It is like a Bible for politics.

 

Politics and Religion are separate, even you agree to this. Unless you wish to pull a Moses on me.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Shaitan, the PPP is not bribing the voters. They will win because of what Moses did in 2011 and again in 2015. That 10% Indian vote was the worst call for him. You're correct, he's useless to APNU. Words out that Ramjattan is now saying that Moses is a sell out. 

 

Looks like the AFC camp is in now disarray.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Shaitan, the PPP is not bribing the voters. They will win because of what Moses did in 2011 and again in 2015. That 10% Indian vote was the worst call for him. You're correct, he's useless to APNU. Words out that Ramjattan is now saying that Moses is a sell out. 

 

Do you ever read anything on GNI carefully?

 

The PPP has managed to bribe key APNU and AFC officials to undermine their own parties.

 

Moses is just learning what some of us have known for ages as conventional wisdom. Personal constituencies for specific Indian politicians do not exist in Guyana. Indians may protest vote against the PPP but they won't protest vote against the PPP in favor of the PNC.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Bribes will not give the PPP a majority government, sir.

 

 

My Dear Friend,

 

I admire your optimism however your idealism will run into hard Guyanese reality. Bribery works in every society, especially one like Guyana.

 

The approach of all (the overwhelming majority) Guyanese towards politics and Government is that it is a prize to be captured and milked for maximum personal benefit.

 

Guyana never had the opportunity for British political culture to take hold with all those grand concepts that come with a truly mature political culture.

 

The seeds of our current dysfunction is that we are merely playing out the roles of decay written for us in our colonial political origins. Our social and political system only functioned with a strong Governor from London. The system was never designed to support an independent State. Even our elites still have that inherent subservient attitude towards Government, just as the elites that preceded them used to bow and scrape before the Governor.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Bribes will not give the PPP a majority government, sir.

 

No, it never did, the people will.  Unlike your PNC who got it by steel boots and steel knuckles.

Interesting.

 

You know, I am marveled by the Police and Army. The same forces who gave bURNHAM THE POWER TO GOVERN illegally. Also , is taking orders from the PPP to molest citizens. I remember them kicking indians for protesting about the Lusignan massacre. And poor Sharma, dey abuse the man for recording it.

 

 

I rather have a peaceful way of life under rigged election than being brutalize under the disguise of democracy.   

S
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

Bribes will not give the PPP a majority government, sir.

 

 

My Dear Friend,

 

I admire your optimism however your idealism will run into hard Guyanese reality. Bribery works in every society, especially one like Guyana.

 

The approach of all (the overwhelming majority) Guyanese towards politics and Government is that it is a prize to be captured and milked for maximum personal benefit.

 

Guyana never had the opportunity for British political culture to take hold with all those grand concepts that come with a truly mature political culture.

 

The seeds of our current dysfunction is that we are merely playing out the roles of decay written for us in our colonial political origins. Our social and political system only functioned with a strong Governor from London. The system was never designed to support an independent State. Even our elites still have that inherent subservient attitude towards Government, just as the elites that preceded them used to bow and scrape before the Governor.

I'm smiling after reading this. You see, I was keeping a quote handy to respond, before you tendered your salient distinction between the British and Guyanese electorates. I understand your point.

Anyway, I'll still reproduce it here for what it's worth.

"It is a great mistake to suppose that bribery and corruption, although they may be very convenient for gratifying the ambition or the vanity of individuals, have any great effect upon the fortunes or the power of parties. And it is a great mistake to suppose that bribery and corruption are means by which power can either be obtained or retained." -- Benjamin Disraeli [1804-1881], British politician and prime minister.

 

Enjoy your weekend, friend.

FM
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

OK.  PPP winning.  So go to sleep now and don't wake up until May 12 ...to the new Coalition govt.

 

But no, Moses giving you all daymares and nightmares.  You make Moses look like a god, the way you all are obsessed with him.

 

But, Moses did part the RED (PPP color) SEA.

Al Yuh are the ones here TRYING to spread FILTH, so who is really worried.  Al YUh gone fuh Channa.  May 12 Al YUh gun be Doo Doo!!!

Nehru

Minister doubles PPP supporter’s salary overnight

April 19, 2015 | By | Filed Under News 

Khemraj Parsram an employee within the Environmental Protection Agency got a special boon retroactive to January 2015 when the Ministry of Natural Resources almost doubled his salary.Letter
Parsram came home from Barbados a little over two years ago in response to the call by the government and he immediately gained employment with the EPA as Director of Environmental Management and Compliance and Enforcement Division.
He had joined his fellow directors with a salary of $300,999 per month. But on the recommendation of the Ministry of Natural Resources and the Environment, the Public Service Ministry approved the salary hike to $501,665 per month.
The hike came even though Khemraj Parsram was assigned no additional duties.
The Natural Resources Ministry is contending that the salary hike can be explained. And it might, because in the Friday issue of the Guyana Chronicle, on page 2, there stood Parsram with his wife, his two children and his father-in-law proclaiming the virtues of the PPP/C Government. The advertisement has Parsram proclaiming that ‘under the PPP/C Government our dreams became a reality.’
And if that is the case he has every right to be proud and because after two years he can own a fashionable house, something that very few can accomplish and what most have failed to do despite working all their lives.
And the EPA is also paying Parmanand Persaud $70,000 a month and Anil Ramlall, $53,000 a month.
This payment is in addition to the salary both men receive from the Ministry of Natural Resources and the Environment

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Shaitaan, Dat is 1500 US per month, you kno dat , right???

 

I get that. That is not the point though. The point is that the PPP is sharing out state money to lots of people to ensure re-election and it's working.

 

If you notice my opening commentary for this thread, I was quite specific about this PPP tactic and how I viewed it as successful. Now KN offers a specific example for ya'll.

 

USD $1500 to USD $2500 base salary a month is a pretty damn good raise for a state employee in Guyana especially when you don't count their customary bribes.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

From the chatter I am hearing from those close to both campaign teams, Moses Nagamootoo has proven to be a rank disappointment in the eyes of APNU as he is not really campaigning in Indian areas and not showing his Indian support (because he has none). This is probably due to the fact that he has no cult following outside of some homeless Jaganites on GNI and FB.

 

The PPP is sharing money like it's goin outta style and the Coalition is a terribly compromised organization. There are lots of PNC and AFC soupies who have been secretly flipped by the PPP within the ranks of the Coalition.

 

The PPP is just worried about post-election violence in the expected event of their victory. They are confident about victory. It seems that the PPP has made up for rank incompetence by bribing almost everyone.

 

Once again Granger is in a terrible position in the PNC as he is being seen as a transition figure by many and he cannot wield the kind of authority he feels is necessary to clinch victory.

 

It seems that for many Guyanese the lesson of this election will be that a wad of PPP cash is too tempting to pass up. This election is becoming more akin to an election in Georgian England. APNU can't compete with PPP cash and Guyanese greed.

 

To be frank, I'm actually surprised at the greed and cuthroat behavior of Guyanese Blacks. I didn't think it was possible for a PPP Government to control Black people with some bribes. I was wrong. I misunderstood the nature of all Guyanese people. They are universally corrupt and like a life of ease and easy money. Maybe we really are "One People One Nation" more than we care to admit.

 

Milky tea is saving the PPP! That is the story of the 2015 election. I expect a PPP Majority Government.

 

 

That's all you hear "Chatter"  hey man,.  why you flip flopping all over the place? One day you say the opposition tearing ass now the PPP winning.

 

I say the PPP getting dumped. Should they win, I predict within a couple of years (if that long) the people will revolt. It's only so long people can be conned by those criminals in Government.

cain
Last edited by cain
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

The seeds of our current dysfunction is that we are merely playing out the roles of decay written for us in our colonial political origins. Our social and political system only functioned with a strong Governor from London. The system was never designed to support an independent State. Even our elites still have that inherent subservient attitude towards Government, just as the elites that preceded them used to bow and scrape before the Governor.

Given that Guyana has the same colonial legacy as does Trinidad and Barbados, why is it so immature?

 

I think you ought to blame GUYANESE for being  spineless bunch of cowards.  Only Guyana had a Burnham and only Guyana had a Jagdeo.  The rest of the English speaking Caribbean being left in wonderment as to how Guyanese tolerate this state of affairs, and then flee to their countries like refugees.  This is why Guyanese are so disrespected at regional airports.

FM
Originally Posted by cain:
 

That's all you hear "Chatter"  hey man,.  why you flip flopping all over the place? One day you say the opposition tearing ass now the PPP winning.

 

I say the PPP getting dumped. Should they win, I predict within a couple of years (if that long) the people will revolt. It's only so long people can be conned by those criminals in Government.

Since when is acknowledging certain realities flip flopping.

 

1.  Guyanese are corrupt so why the shock that they will take bribes to sell their ID cards?  Guyanese boast of their ability to adjust to a bad situation rather than changing it.  Will they do like what the people of St Kitts and Nevis did to dump an elected dictator?  WE will see.  US$10 is tempting and apparently people are too stupid to just take the cash and still vote against the PPP.

 

2.  It is a known fact that the AFC is weak with a skimpy grass roots organization.  When thus fact is mentioned the Moses cultists have seizures.

 

3.  It is known that within many PNC circles Granger is seen as being weak, and that he excludes many younger more vibrant people.  Why isn't Nigel Hughes not playing a more prominent role, given his following among the youth?

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Shaitaan, Dat is 1500 US per month, you kno dat , right???

 

I get that. That is not the point though. The point is that the PPP is sharing out state money to lots of people to ensure re-election and it's working.

 

If you notice my opening commentary for this thread, I was quite specific about this PPP tactic and how I viewed it as successful. Now KN offers a specific example for ya'll.

 

USD $1500 to USD $2500 base salary a month is a pretty damn good raise for a state employee in Guyana especially when you don't count their customary bribes.

Especially given that the average black civil servant makes less than $300/month, yet you all still claim that they dominate Guyana.

FM

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

Problem is that the Indian vote is between 45 and 49%, and so the PPP doesn't have to buy too many non Indian votes to win.  The coalition has to turn out more Indians votes to win.  So unless Indians do the right thing and realize that, as their population dwindles, it isn't in their interest to endorse one race rule, then the PPP wins.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

Problem is that the Indian vote is between 45 and 49%, and so the PPP doesn't have to buy too many non Indian votes to win.  The coalition has to turn out more Indians votes to win.  So unless Indians do the right thing and realize that, as their population dwindles, it isn't in their interest to endorse one race rule, then the PPP wins.

The PPP had done and will do everything legally possible(not anything) to win every election.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
 

The PPP had done and will do everything legally possible(not anything) to win every election.

And you think that it is legal to,

 

1.  monopolize the media restricting access only to PPP cronies

 

2. Use assets owned by the people of Guyana (Guysuco trucks) to promote PPP party events.

 

No wonder the PPP is seen as being corrupt.  Only the Indian ethnic insecurity dilemma has saved it as the VAST MAJORITY of non Indians DO NOT SUPPORT the PPP.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

The interior has 11% of the population, yet only delivered 6% of the votes in 2011, not all from Amerindians.  The virtual non participation of Amerindians in the electoral process also increases the importance of the Indian vote above its numbers, in addition to the fact that many mixed voters are either too young top vote, or are in that "irresponsible" phase that we go through between 18-25 where many don't take life seriously, so don't vote.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
 

The PPP had done and will do everything legally possible(not anything) to win every election.

And you think that it is legal to,

 

1.  monopolize the media restricting access only to PPP cronies

 

2. Use assets owned by the people of Guyana (Guysuco trucks) to promote PPP party events.

 

No wonder the PPP is seen as being corrupt.  Only the Indian ethnic insecurity dilemma has saved it as the VAST MAJORITY of non Indians DO NOT SUPPORT the PPP.

Perceptions of the PNC.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
 

The PPP had done and will do everything legally possible(not anything) to win every election.

And you think that it is legal to,

 

1.  monopolize the media restricting access only to PPP cronies

 

2. Use assets owned by the people of Guyana (Guysuco trucks) to promote PPP party events.

 

No wonder the PPP is seen as being corrupt.  Only the Indian ethnic insecurity dilemma has saved it as the VAST MAJORITY of non Indians DO NOT SUPPORT the PPP.

Perceptions of the PNC.

So are the pictures of the Guysuco trucks filled with PPP supporters a PNC perception?  Especially when some GNI PPP freaks even boast that the PPP can do this with no consequences.

 

If the PPP loses it has set a dangerous precedent.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

Problem is that the Indian vote is between 45 and 49%, and so the PPP doesn't have to buy too many non Indian votes to win.  The coalition has to turn out more Indians votes to win.  So unless Indians do the right thing and realize that, as their population dwindles, it isn't in their interest to endorse one race rule, then the PPP wins.

The PPP had done and will do everything legally possible(not anything) to win every election.

Skelly,the PPP is not doing everything legally to win

elections,using state resources for their election

campaign is not legal.

 

They have taken a page from Burnham's book,and

mastered the the plan how to brain washed their

supporters,keep them illiterate and raised the boogey

man during elections.

Django
Last edited by Django
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
 

The PPP had done and will do everything legally possible(not anything) to win every election.

And you think that it is legal to,

 

1.  monopolize the media restricting access only to PPP cronies

 

2. Use assets owned by the people of Guyana (Guysuco trucks) to promote PPP party events.

 

No wonder the PPP is seen as being corrupt.  Only the Indian ethnic insecurity dilemma has saved it as the VAST MAJORITY of non Indians DO NOT SUPPORT the PPP.

Perceptions of the PNC.

So are the pictures of the Guysuco trucks filled with PPP supporters a PNC perception?  Especially when some GNI PPP freaks even boast that the PPP can do this with no consequences.

 

If the PPP loses it has set a dangerous precedent.

THE TRUCKS ARE NOT OWNED BY GUYSUCO. BLACK PEOPLE COULD HAVE RODE THE TRUCKS FOR FREE TOO.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
 

THE TRUCKS ARE NOT OWNED BY GUYSUCO. BLACK PEOPLE COULD HAVE RODE THE TRUCKS FOR FREE TOO.

1.  They are owned by people who have contracts with Guysuco, and if they refused to transport they will lose those contracts.

 

2.  Black people DID NOT take up your offer.  That should indicate to you that they would rather spend their own money to go to APNU AFC events than to get a free ride to an Indo KKK rally.

FM
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

Problem is that the Indian vote is between 45 and 49%, and so the PPP doesn't have to buy too many non Indian votes to win.  The coalition has to turn out more Indians votes to win.  So unless Indians do the right thing and realize that, as their population dwindles, it isn't in their interest to endorse one race rule, then the PPP wins.

The PPP had done and will do everything legally possible(not anything) to win every election.

Skelly,the PPP is not doing everything legally to win

elections,using state resources for their election

campaign is not legal.

 

They have taken a page from Burnham's book,and

mastered the the plan how to brain washed their

supporters,keep them illiterate and raised the boogey

man during elections.

I don't think so. Burnham was a dictator and emperor. Burnham took all the money and starved the nation. If the PPP stole, at least the people are getting food. They tief  'lil bit' and leff de ress fuh de peeple. Guyana is 100% better today than under the PNC days. You just need to GO AND SEE FOR YOURSELF.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

Problem is that the Indian vote is between 45 and 49%, and so the PPP doesn't have to buy too many non Indian votes to win.  The coalition has to turn out more Indians votes to win.  So unless Indians do the right thing and realize that, as their population dwindles, it isn't in their interest to endorse one race rule, then the PPP wins.

The PPP had done and will do everything legally possible(not anything) to win every election.

 

I have a very very close up view of the tactics being employed in this campaign (especially by the PPP) and I can assure you that this election is being bought like a medieval papal conclave.

 

Every single dirty trick in the book is being used by the PPP. Every possible political conspiracy is afoot. This election is no real election. It is a mad scramble to hold onto power behind the scenes. The only people who seem surprised by all this (or oblivious to it) are the AFC madmen.

 

What astonishes (and others) is that it's actually working. Everyone is bribeable. There isn't an honest man (or woman) left in Guyana.

 

One active election campaign colleague of mine said to me "I didn't think the Blacks were so bribeable. Dem bais (at Freedom House) was right."

FM
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Django:
 

They have taken a page from Burnham's book,and

 

And they have even hired Burnham's goons!

That was Jaggy master stroke,invite them in

and we are in control.

The PNC is glad that you have taken their monsters as it demonstrates the true colors of the PPP. In fact one of your thugs was busted trying to instigate violence at the protest outside of the Marriott.  Is that what taxpayer funds should be used for, as you know these guys aren't working out of any love for the PPP.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
. If the PPP stole, at least the people are getting food.

They get food because of high gold prices (now dropping) and their overseas relatives.

 

1.  Guysuco on brink of collapse, with no prospects of recovery.

 

2.  Rice farmers not getting paid on time.

 

3.  Most PPP projects are failures and result in massive corruption and cost over runs.

 

Thank God Hoyte liberalized the economy so that an incompetent and corrupt PPP gov't cannot ruin it.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

You can say all of this again, TK, word for word. I couldn't have expressed it better, although I told a poster earlier today he was doing a fine job for the PPP in alienating Afros and douglas.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

One active election campaign colleague of mine said to me "I didn't think the Blacks were so bribeable. Dem bais (at Freedom House) was right."

Not surprised.  Blacks have long ago assigned themselves in the role of slaves to an Indian elite and think that their only hope is to get a few crumbs.  They have no vision of a Guyana where this will no longer occur.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

Problem is that the Indian vote is between 45 and 49%, and so the PPP doesn't have to buy too many non Indian votes to win.  The coalition has to turn out more Indians votes to win.  So unless Indians do the right thing and realize that, as their population dwindles, it isn't in their interest to endorse one race rule, then the PPP wins.

I doubt Indians account for 45 to 49% of the voting population. There is a difference between the voting population and the actual turn out. The point you made re Amerindians is a valid one.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

One active election campaign colleague of mine said to me "I didn't think the Blacks were so bribeable. Dem bais (at Freedom House) was right."

Not surprised.  Blacks have long ago assigned themselves in the role of slaves to an Indian elite and think that their only hope is to get a few crumbs.  They have no vision of a Guyana where this will no longer occur.

 

All the bright bais advising the PPP are actually quite astonished that the mudheads' strategy of bribing Black people when Blacks are this close to capturing power would not work. They were obviously wrong.

 

I confess that even I thought that appeasement and bribes can only work for so long and certainly not under this election's unique circumstances. Also, I confess I thought Blacks would just want the chest and the chest key instead of waiting for a few shillings from Uncle Persaud.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

Problem is that the Indian vote is between 45 and 49%, and so the PPP doesn't have to buy too many non Indian votes to win.  The coalition has to turn out more Indians votes to win.  So unless Indians do the right thing and realize that, as their population dwindles, it isn't in their interest to endorse one race rule, then the PPP wins.

I doubt Indians account for 45 to 49% of the voting population. There is a difference between the voting population and the actual turn out. The point you made re Amerindians is a valid one.

Indian turn out was down last time, even as APNU was able to get more of its supporters out.

 

So are you implying that the PPP has significant support among the African votes.  We already know that the Amerindian vote is not more than 50% of its representation in the voting age population, so around 4%.

 

Using your logic that the Indian voting age population is less than 45% you are implying that the black and mixed population are more than 50%.  So explain why the PPP only lost by 10k votes last time.

 

In any case if blacks stayed home last time, you think that Nagamootoo will get them out this time?  Because it is the same Granger heading the APNU ticket.

 

You don't make your case by under estimating the Indian voting age population.

FM
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Some kind of stronger statement from Granger that he is not Burnham, that the Coalition is not using Burnham's playbook, that Guyana will have an open free economy without banning of foods, will not be a bad strategy at this time.

What do you think?

This ban food is stupidness,Guyana is a free economy food

is imported by private business individuals,i see no reason

for the APNU/AFC to make any changes.

 

Django
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

One active election campaign colleague of mine said to me "I didn't think the Blacks were so bribeable. Dem bais (at Freedom House) was right."

Not surprised.  Blacks have long ago assigned themselves in the role of slaves to an Indian elite and think that their only hope is to get a few crumbs.  They have no vision of a Guyana where this will no longer occur.

 

All the bright bais advising the PPP are actually quite astonished that the mudheads' strategy of bribing Black people when Blacks are this close to capturing power would not work. They were obviously wrong.

 

I confess that even I thought that appeasement and bribes can only work for so long and certainly not under this election's unique circumstances. Also, I confess I thought Blacks would just want the chest and the chest key instead of waiting for a few shillings from Uncle Persaud.

The 2014 LAPOP poll and previous ones show the patronage has not been successful among Blacks. It is much more so among the mixed population, 20% of whom vote for PPP. The mixed population saves the PPP more than Amerindians.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

 

All the bright bais advising the PPP are actually quite astonished that the mudheads' strategy of bribing Black people when Blacks are this close to capturing power would not work. They were obviously wrong.

 

I.

1.  Many blacks see Granger and his clique as bougie so don't necessarily equate an APNU AFC win with a "capturing power".  This is what sidelining people like KIssoon and Solomon who are closer to them results in, as well as the very low profile role which Hughes appears to be playing.  So some rather take the money not to vote.

 

2.  I assume that some of the bribes are to folks who will be responsible for turning out the vote.  If APNU AFC doesn't have a plan to offset this then they deserve to lose. Again I predicted this when I said that plans were afoot to bribe APNU AFC poll workers to turn a blind eye to PPP tricks.

FM
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Some kind of stronger statement from Granger that he is not Burnham, that the Coalition is not using Burnham's playbook, that Guyana will have an open free economy without banning of foods, will not be a bad strategy at this time.

What do you think?

This ban food is stupidness,Guyana is a free economy food

is imported by private business individuals,i see no reason

for the APNU/AFC to make any changes.

 

 

It's not that anyone thinks the PNC will be banning food bhai. It's to remind people how how much the PNC made the average man/woman punish when they were last in Government.

 

We all have to admit that the PNC's tenure from 1964 to 1992 was really friggin terrible by any measure. We can point to some instances of competence or what not but largely it was pretty awful.

 

The heart of the matter is that PNC rule made daily life difficult for everyone. From breakfast to gasoline for your car to toilet paper for your behind to oil to fry your phoulourie in.

 

Ironically, the PNC's reign of error sustains the PPP's reign of error because no matter what the PPP has done they do not personally punish the daily lives of ordinary nonpolitical people.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

Problem is that the Indian vote is between 45 and 49%, and so the PPP doesn't have to buy too many non Indian votes to win.  The coalition has to turn out more Indians votes to win.  So unless Indians do the right thing and realize that, as their population dwindles, it isn't in their interest to endorse one race rule, then the PPP wins.

I doubt Indians account for 45 to 49% of the voting population. There is a difference between the voting population and the actual turn out. The point you made re Amerindians is a valid one.

Indian turn out was down last time, even as APNU was able to get more of its supporters out.

 

So are you implying that the PPP has significant support among the African votes.  We already know that the Amerindian vote is not more than 50% of its representation in the voting age population, so around 4%.

 

Using your logic that the Indian voting age population is less than 45% you are implying that the black and mixed population are more than 50%.  So explain why the PPP only lost by 10k votes last time.

 

In any case if blacks stayed home last time, you think that Nagamootoo will get them out this time?  Because it is the same Granger heading the APNU ticket.

 

You don't make your case by under estimating the Indian voting age population.

So I take it you did some random samples that tells you there is a big difference between the actual demographics and that of the voters list?

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

"From the chatter I am hearing from those close to both campaign teams, Moses Nagamootoo has proven to be a rank disappointment in the eyes of APNU as he is not really campaigning in Indian areas and not showing his Indian support (because he has none). This is probably due to the fact that he has no cult following outside of some homeless Jaganites on GNI and FB."

Hold on....

In 3 weeks...we will see who is right

and who is Goat Shit....

Shaitan.....

ask your PPP Chat-3 Contacts...

Let them name the Region in Guyana

Where Nandalall, Kwame, Lamumba + Jagdeo

got more supporters on the ground than Moses.

 

 

And give us the name of the APNU official

who is disappointed with Moses support.......

 

Please do not tell us

yuh listening to CaribJ and his Goat Shit again...

 

"The PPP is just worried about post-election violence in the expected event of their victory. They are confident about victory."

Yuji's 53 Percent PPP majority prediction stands.

 

Moses can talk and talk is cheap. AFC consists of a bunch of lazy politicians who can wine and dine and have nice speeches to stroke each other's ego.

 

PNC's biggest mistake was to refuse to apologize to Indos for their wrongdoings and rigging. They could have done so a year ago. 

 

Granger saying that he is not Burnham was not enough. He lost a golden opportunity to apologize in front of a crowd of mainly Indos in NY.

 

Victory is so close...

Change is on the horizon

APNUAFC's photo.

FM
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Originally Posted by TK:
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The 2014 LAPOP poll and previous ones show the patronage has not been successful among Blacks. It is much more so among the mixed population, 20% of whom vote for PPP. The mixed population saves the PPP more than Amerindians.

The black voting age population is no more than 1/3.  My point being that APNU AFC has to convert more Indian voters than the PPP needs to convert more non Indian voters.  You confirm it.

 

The mixed and Amerindian votes for the PPP are about 5% of the votes, assuming the mixed vote at 15%.  Assuming that the PPP gets 5% of the African vote (less than 2% of the total) then it implies that  it implied that 42% of the voters are Indians for the PPP.  That is way more votes than the PNC gets from the black population (30% of the total votes).

 

if Nagamootoo doesn't bring Indian votes with him, not only does the APNU AFC lose, but the coalition ends. The PPP with regained control of the parliament and a thirst for revenge will run roughshod and the opposition will lack the votes to stop them. 

 

The AFC will then need fight with APNU for their seats.   So AFC supporters better get over any notion that they don't have to deliver.

FM
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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Some kind of stronger statement from Granger that he is not Burnham, that the Coalition is not using Burnham's playbook, that Guyana will have an open free economy without banning of foods, will not be a bad strategy at this time.

What do you think?

This ban food is stupidness,Guyana is a free economy food

is imported by private business individuals,i see no reason

for the APNU/AFC to make any changes.

 

 

It's not that anyone thinks the PNC will be banning food bhai. It's to remind people how how much the PNC made the average man/woman punish when they were last in Government.

 

We all have to admit that the PNC's tenure from 1964 to 1992 was really friggin terrible by any measure. We can point to some instances of competence or what not but largely it was pretty awful.

 

The heart of the matter is that PNC rule made daily life difficult for everyone. From breakfast to gasoline for your car to toilet paper for your behind to oil to fry your phoulourie in.

 

Ironically, the PNC's reign of error sustains the PPP's reign of error because no matter what the PPP has done they do not personally punish the daily lives of ordinary nonpolitical people.

Shait's,talking about oil we had a small grocery business

was not looking for profits,it was like assisting my

community with the food shortage,it was my next half

idea being growing up in business and i had the contacts

to get some items.

 

Coconut oil was a big business in Wakenaam and Berbice

lots of Indos made money during that period.

 

I am sure you know the benefits of coconut oil.

 

 

Django
Originally Posted by TK:
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So I take it you did some random samples that tells you there is a big difference between the actual demographics and that of the voters list?

Help me out here.

 

In 1991 the mixed population was around 85k.  21 years later it was 70% higher, even as the population was only 3% more.  So how did this happen?

 

It seems to me as if this is mainly due to sharp increases in miscegenation.  Given that this phenomenon occurred within the past 25 years it does suggest that the non voting age population, and the 18-25 age cohort have a different ethnic composition from the over 25.

 

So if you wish to peddle that the Indian voting age population is only 40%, then you need to accept the fact that the PPP enjoys massive support among Africans.  Which both you and I know isn't true. 

 

Now you can do like Stormborn and dream that massive numbers of blacks don't vote.  He dreams that there are 120k non voting blacks.  Where when the total black population is only 225k?

 

If true, why will they vote in 2015.  Its the same Granger who ran in 2011 and seriously, Nagamootoo isn't of interest to them.

 

FM
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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
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We all have to admit that the PNC's tenure from 1964 to 1992 was really friggin terrible by any measure. We can point to some instances of competence or what not but largely it was pretty awful.

 

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Correction.  It was hell between 1978 and 1990.  Guyana was in a good place before then, and Hoyte blocked the Jagan communists from turning Guyana into Cuba.  Had Cheddi directly replaces Jagan look at Cuba and see what Guyana would have been today.  In fact Guyana would have been worse, given that it started at a more backward place to begin with.

FM

That period established a networking system-ppl of all races found ways to survived. Everything was sort of hidden. On the Corentyne banned food items was never a problem. Affording it and get caught with it was a major issue. 

 

Between Berbice and Demerara Rivers there was deprivation. Mainly, due to lacks of framing and the ability to have something to barter with.

 

Essequibo had the Brazilian and Venezuela connections-they survived as well.

 

During this period there were mass migration to the bordering countries. Ordinary citizen travelling back and forth created a SUITCASE ECONOMY. 

 

Connections was of more importance in that period. With right connections, one could get anything. In the process all kinds of laws were broken.

 

If anything that era created Jagdeo Clique. The 1992 crop of PPP parliamentarians were involved in the suitcase economy as well.

S
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
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So I take it you did some random samples that tells you there is a big difference between the actual demographics and that of the voters list?

Help me out here.

 

In 1991 the mixed population was around 85k.  21 years later it was 70% higher, even as the population was only 3% more.  So how did this happen?

 

It seems to me as if this is mainly due to sharp increases in miscegenation.  Given that this phenomenon occurred within the past 25 years it does suggest that the non voting age population, and the 18-25 age cohort have a different ethnic composition from the over 25.

 

So if you wish to peddle that the Indian voting age population is only 40%, then you need to accept the fact that the PPP enjoys massive support among Africans.  Which both you and I know isn't true. 

 

Now you can do like Stormborn and dream that massive numbers of blacks don't vote.  He dreams that there are 120k non voting blacks.  Where when the total black population is only 225k?

 

If true, why will they vote in 2015.  Its the same Granger who ran in 2011 and seriously, Nagamootoo isn't of interest to them.

 

This time they have seen lots, yes, it's a different year, different circumstance. My hope is for the youth to all come out and I believe this time they certainly will.

cain
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
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We all have to admit that the PNC's tenure from 1964 to 1992 was really friggin terrible by any measure. We can point to some instances of competence or what not but largely it was pretty awful.

 

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Correction.  It was hell between 1978 and 1990.  Guyana was in a good place before then, and Hoyte blocked the Jagan communists from turning Guyana into Cuba.  Had Cheddi directly replaces Jagan look at Cuba and see what Guyana would have been today.  In fact Guyana would have been worse, given that it started at a more backward place to begin with.

 

I don't wanna quibble over how bad the PNC truly was or wasn't or what the PPP would have done in office during that period. You're probably right about the PPP and their fanatical commitment to communism. But we'll never know.

 

Let me more direct then. PNC rule from 1968 to 1992 was flatly illegitimate. Their rule was further tainted by some truly insane policies; some driven by socialism, others driven by race.

 

I'm sure you and I can analyze specific period of PNC rule and specific policies but my point is simply that the PNC (rightfully) is blamed for screwing up Guyana during those years as the Party in power. The inquiry for our purposes here is at an end. The ordinary voter (especially the Indian voter) will is simply gonna do what all voters around the globe do and just blame the whole party for all the ills of the era. Made worse by the fact that the PNC's rule was racial to racist. Again I don't wanna argue the point. I point to it just for an explanation of what the PNC is up against in 2015 and why pointing out banned food under the PNC's rule is successful. It reminds people of the low depths it sank ordinary people to. Ordinary people became smugglers of dhall and sardine. That's friggin insane for the average person to contemplate. And of course it doesn't help that it was done by the "Black people's party" during an era of Black minority rule over a then Indian-majority nation.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by cain:
.. My hope is for the youth to all come out and I believe this time they certainly will.

Hope doesn't win elections.  Sound strategies and implementation does.

As I mentioned in another thread, you are right here but do you know each and every move of the opposition?

cain
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
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We all have to admit that the PNC's tenure from 1964 to 1992 was really friggin terrible by any measure. We can point to some instances of competence or what not but largely it was pretty awful.

 

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Correction.  It was hell between 1978 and 1990.  Guyana was in a good place before then, and Hoyte blocked the Jagan communists from turning Guyana into Cuba.  Had Cheddi directly replaces Jagan look at Cuba and see what Guyana would have been today.  In fact Guyana would have been worse, given that it started at a more backward place to begin with.

 

I don't wanna quibble over how bad the PNC truly was or wasn't or what the PPP would have done in office during that period. You're probably right about the PPP and their fanatical commitment to communism. But we'll never know.

 

Let me more direct then. PNC rule from 1968 to 1992 was flatly illegitimate. Their rule was further tainted by some truly insane policies; some driven by socialism, others driven by race.

 

I'm sure you and I can analyze specific period of PNC rule and specific policies but my point is simply that the PNC (rightfully) is blamed for screwing up Guyana during those years as the Party in power. The inquiry for our purposes here is at an end. The ordinary voter (especially the Indian voter) will is simply gonna do what all voters around the globe do and just blame the whole party for all the ills of the era. Made worse by the fact that the PNC's rule was racial to racist. Again I don't wanna argue the point. I point to it just for an explanation of what the PNC is up against in 2015 and why pointing out banned food under the PNC's rule is successful. It reminds people of the low depths it sank ordinary people to. Ordinary people became smugglers of dhall and sardine. That's friggin insane for the average person to contemplate. And of course it doesn't help that it was done by the "Black people's party" during an era of Black minority rule over a then Indian-majority nation.

DEMOCRACY.

In Guyana. For me, it should have been a practice of tolerance among those entities that strive to govern us, the citizens. Especially, since there are no dominant ethnic group to give any of the entities a clear majority.  We should have been a model nation to the world, because we are the descendants of a people who were brought to these lands as slaves and bonded males and females.

In our earlier existence on this land, our forefathers were very cooperative with each other-regardless of ethnicities.  We have learnt from each other in many ways.

Tolerance and trust should have been our mainstay. Political parties should have had government subsidies to carry out their work.  And equal freedom and finances to promote their agenda. For it is the people that will be served.

Instead of the desire to have opponents at a disadvantage to have the upper edge. To spread propaganda. And to deceive the citizens.

Such things erodes the trust among the upper echelon of the society. It breathes contempt. Such ill feelings do no good for the people of the country. It weakens us.

A Constitution is the framework of democracy.

Yet, no political leader never found the decency to correct the one written for this nation by devious men in our past history. Today, it saddles the country with poor governance and empowers individuals of poor character to hold high offices in this land – untouched by the laws of the country. They have awarded immunity onto themselves. There is no none in charge. Such men and women are answerable to no one. They are a power on to themselves. Dangerous to the wellbeing of the citizens. Those are the types of political organizations we have –the PPP, the PNC, and the AFC. There is no discipline in their structures or perhaps the political parties have no desires to challenge an inept President or corrupt Ministers or an inadequate one holding a Ministerial position.

We have seen what the PNC had done with the Constitution written by them-for their favours. And with the same Constitution, today we are experiencing terrible governance under the PPP. Political Parties- equally deficient of moral values to question and challenge. Also, is the AFC, for it shows they too can be contemptuous; perhaps, it could be their Stalinist’s indoctrination. For Josef Stalin was a revered Soviet leader admired by both Forbes and Cheddie and their protÃĐgÃĐ.

The electorate alienation into the camps of Afro and Indo started with 1950’s politics. That pattern will continue on in our future unless something drastic is done to promote trust and willingness to listen to others rather than ones ethnic group. 

What has made the Indo-Guyanese distrustful of the People’s National Congress?  Is it the Split of 1955 whereby the Peoples Progressive Party became factions of Burnhamites and Jaganites? Could that have been perceived as racism because the Indoes choose Cheddie and Afroes choose Forbes. Or, is it as the Afro-Guyanese intellectuals claim that such hatred lies in the teachings of Hinduism? It is true Hinduism endorses and enforces a caste system in India. However in Guyana, that brand of Hinduism does not exists. For the Indoes who discriminate against Afroes for no reason at all, then it must be an inward trait to exercise dominance over another group of people in a society. Could the possibility exists that the Wismar Massacre is responsible for the racial divisions in the country? That incident could have made any rational Indian into a racist. And it did affect many doctors who tended to the female victims. Unspeakable horrific things done to the sexuality of the young and old. They were ferried out of Wismar/Linden, the young and old, men and women –all wounded in some way and laid bare on the wharves in Georgetown. The dead –their soul departed in fear and desperation.

Years later, in foreign countries, Lindeners would retell of that day. They said there was moaning and groaning coming from the victims as they laid in drains and parapits. Also, they were quick to point out that it wasn’t Lindeners who did those horrible acts. Claiming, “The rampaging mob was sent from Georgetown-ferried in on the Son Chapman.”

At that era of our history, there were only two men in the People’s National Congress who could have ordered and enraged such a mob. The hour long ferry trip from Georgetown did not quell their enraged spirits-riled up by speeches of hate in Georgetown. The mob hit the docks at Wismar/Linden in a frenzied state. Raw hate.

The Jews say that God is always speaking, because He expects the discernment He had placed in the hearts of mankind would hear His words in the thoughts of their minds. But that day in Wismar/Linden, Lucifer and his demons was in full force-tribalism of hate spurned on by the beat of drums-silently in the heads of the mob. Fire. The domain of the devil brought down to Wismar. What was the reward of the devil to Lindeners for the carnage; the devil is known for getting humans to cheat, steal, rob and kill. The gains of the mob were only temporary-the loot was spent in no time, the gold was smelted, what sexual pleasure could be had from the rape of women and the lives snuffed out, surely The Almighty will enquire from the murderers.

It has been fifty years since. Perhaps, some of the victims dead. Perhaps, some of the mob dead. Perhaps, one of the architects of that massacre still alive in the enclave of the People’s National Congress.  The Peoples Progressive Party blamed the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States of America for the massacre. True to their Soviet masters, the tragedy became just another Cold War escapade of blaming the Americans. The British were blamed for dividing the races-with their motto, “Divide and Rule.” And the devil’s reward to Lindeners! I leave that for the people of Linden to take stock of their fortunes over the last fifty years. 

It is said, “The public has a short memory.” And those incidents were forgotten. The leadership of People’s Progressive Party gave Critical Support to the People’s National Congress on many issues and even considered Shared Governance.

So why, the distrust of the People’s National Congress still prevails onto this day? There are feelings that East Indians were marginalized-teaching jobs were denied and the civil services jobs too.

A PNC party card was essential for any kind of activity.  

No country remains the same-British Guiana/Guyana was a country in transition. Before the arrivals of Portuguese, Chinese and East Indians, there were only the Amerindians, Whites, Africans and the admixture of those races. Education of Africans was a negotiated agreement at the Emancipation Declarations. Church ran schools continually educated African children even before the Indenture-ship period was implemented in the colony. And when Indentures came, the Church ran schools were still educating African children and continued until the People’s Progressive Party decision to rid the colony of the Church participation in education. It was only natural for those educated Africans to hold every position/job in the colony. And when the time came for the children of the Indentured to be educated, it was the African who taught the Portuguese, the Chinese, the Amerindians and the East Indians. As the way progress goes, eventually there were more people and of different races competing for the same jobs. The African started to lose ground-the Portuguese honed in on their commercial and farming ventures. About a century later, the PPP challenged the Church ran schools of forcing East Indians to become Christians in order to get a teaching job in their schools. The church was out of education. And the PPP rewarded PYO members with teaching jobs throughout the colony-even if they were poorly qualified. By the time the PNC assumed the government, Afro-Guyanese youths were underemployed. There was a genuine need to address the problem-opportunities were made available to them. Besides the population was increasing and not enough jobs were around.

Another complaint against the People’s National Congress. The banning of food items. Both Afroes and Indoes complained, each with different reasons. For the Indoes, it is the food lines they cannot get out of their minds and the abuses that took place. To stand all day, get to the counter and to be told the supplies were finished when there were supplies clearly visible. That was Prejudice. Heaven knows what other demands were made for special favours from mothers to get a little bit of food to feed their families. The Indoes craved for dhal, potatoes and wheat flour-they complained about not having flour to make puri for their weddings. With the banning of food items, a contraband culture evolved-ran mainly by East Indians. Many became very wealthy from it. The Police and Army deployed to apprehend Contraband Brigades. The Disciplined Forces did many things with items seized, but what they did with wheaten flour remained indelible in the minds of Afro-Guyanese. Bread, somehow has significance in Christianity. And the sized flour was poured out of the sacks on the ground and kicked around. Left over bread was never cast aside, it was soaked into water. In the Caribbean, Guyanese became laughing stock, for some would purchase bread as one would of Duty Free items when travelling abroad.

The People’s National Congress made us look foolish in the eyes of our Caribbean brothers. Today, the People’s Progressive Party does the same with their corrupt practices, forcing citizens to take refuge among those who have lost respect for Guyanese.          

The decision to ban food items wiped out the merchants of the Colonial Era. Yes, today there are plenty of food on the shelves. But not every commodity is for everyone or can be purchased by everyone. If were not for families living abroad many at home could not even afforded the items. But Indoes would remark, “We have food now, the PPP give us food again.”

There are times, politician decree but God turns whatever might have been meant to be bad into good - undo harm. East Indians may have viewed the decisions by L.F.S Burnham as a personal attack on them. Certainly, the Jagans gave the impression it was a personal attack. I think it was more of an attack on the support base of the People’s Progressive Party who happened to be predominantly East Indians. The international decision to keep the PPP out of government due to its Soviet leanings eventually made East Indians into second class citizens in Guyana.  One was either a PPPite or PNCite and a card carrying member.

And East Indians found whichever way to SURVIVE under the decrees of the People’s National Congress.

Many would go to United States of America. The country despised by the People’s Progressive Party, labelled with despicable names. A country that denied equal opportunities to African Americans, yet supports Afro-Guyanese in the suppression of East Indians.

Strange country, this America. Backing suppression of East Indians in Guyana and yet open its doors to them for immigration. And they arrived in large numbers. Parents did whatever they could to get their girl children out of Guyana and into America. There were cases where East Indian young men took advantage of the situation. Many were feted with the false promises of marriage. Some young men even went through the marriages, consummated the marriages but never filed Immigration Papers for their wives. For some young men, this was a regular practice when they made returned visits to Guyana.

Everyone wanted to leave Guyana.

The Portuguese cited their European heritage and the doors were open to them in America, Britain and Canada.

For the Guyanese of African and East Indian decent, it was a struggle to access any type of visa. They religiously tracked every Immigration Policy decision in Canada and the United States with the hope of being able to put in an application for a visa-Permanent or Visitors.   

An entrepreneurial class emerged to meet demands of many of the shortages of commodities the Burnham decrees had imposed. It gave rise to what is referred to as the ‘SUITCASE ECONOMY’. East Indian seamstresses began by sewing clothes, travelled to Caribbean Islands and sold their products. Returning to Guyana with filled suitcases of commodities to meet the demands of the people.

Selling out of suitcases was nothing new for the East Indians in Guyana. Some did that trade in the Negro villages for decades. The conditions imposed by the Burnham decrees simply pushed them beyond the borders of Guyana. The Caribbean Islands became the market place. And the once few became many, operating out of suitcases, traversing the Islands and Guyana.

TRADERS became their name. And it was no longer only East Indians. Many Negro women became involved in the trade. At Timehri Airport, an observant traveller could see the cooperation of these women-Indoes and Afroes.  The decrees of Burnham affected the Afro-Guyanese as well.

As Guyanese continue to immigrate to Canada and the United States, they sought ways of helping family and friends in need. It appeared as if everyone in Guyana needed some sort of assistance. To fill that need, the opportunity of a booming transportation business materialized. BARRELS filled with much needed commodities were shipped to Guyana continuously. That venture made several entrepreneurs very wealthy.

REMITTANCES eventually became a significant component of the Guyanese economy. Millions of dollars sent by Guyanese living in Canada, United States and other parts of the world created a consumer class in Guyanese. And that gave rise to RETAIL BUSINESSESS. The new trend of SUPERMARKETS.

The lives of the people were comfortable again as in the Colonial Period. And the People’s Progressive Party saw the consumerism as part of their program of success. Failing to build on the generosity of the diaspora. And the PPP became complacent.

Why did the American government focused on British Guiana in 1953?

America in the 1930’s had a following of men and women who were Communists.  Rampant poverty, the lack of having a meal and providing for families was an everyday occurrence.  And elites with the Communist agenda saw the deprivations as an opportunity in promoting the ideology. Trade Unions were infiltrated. Democracy was under attack in America. And the Pro-Democracy champions were people of tremendous influences.

There were crack downs.

At the time, Cheddie Jagan was a student in America. It is written, he was introduced to Communist ideology by a young woman he was seeing at the time. Stopped stone cold in America. They would wait for years, returning to British Guiana to pursue their desires upon an unsuspecting impoverished people.

And they came to British Guiana as a married couple.

Immediately, the norms of an influential colonial people were challenged-the Negroes, the East Indians, the Chinese, the Portuguese, the Mixed People. Termed colonial stooges.

There, began the struggles of extremists and moderates in the Guyanese society. Every opportunity was an assault on the sugar industry- the major employer in the colony. Obviously, to control the workers by a Trade Union. Even though one already existed.

Typical of the Communist, lies and deception became their tools.  And the poor began to look at their White employers with suspicions. The Bible states; “Words are a spirit and life.” And the words of the People’s Progressive Party has cursed the country.  After twenty eight years in Opposition, they returned to power to fulfill the curses. Today, after their rule of twenty two years, what has become of the country? Crimes and criminals are unchecked. Law and Order disregarded by government officials and elite citizenry. The Justice System rift with unethical practices. Narcotics and its shipment destroyed the legitimate exporting of local products. The Environment is foul with garbage. The Drainage and Irrigation System in derelict conditions. Cronyism nurtured poor infra-structures of the country. And their sins are responsible for those in despair who take their own lives-just to escape the hardships imposed by the People’s Progressive Party.  

They are simply a VERY BAD group of men and women in the PPP.  

The People’s Progressive Party is void of leadership-it has a lot of devious people in its midst. So, there is no one in authority. BECAUSE, each knows the wretched ways of the other.

The People’s Progressive Party lacked the ethics of governing. And not today, but in fact since 1953.

Why would the British Government suspend the 1953 Constitution? Because the leadership of the PPP had no respect for the laws written in it.

They gained the confidence of the poor by telling them that the British were paying slave wages and do nothing to ease their misery. When in actual fact, the Sugar Welfare Fund was moving people out of the Cottages into Housing Schemes. There it was, a White person telling an entire Indo group of Guyanese that another set of White people were causing the misery in their lives. And they believed.   

The plan of the People’s Progressive Party was to rid the colony of the Brits and hand its administrations over to the Soviets. How they ever hoped to achieve that-only the Almighty would know. The PPP leadership had to be naive as to what the Americans and British would do to prevent such an event from happening. There had to be something wrong to even think up a plan like that.  Especially, since the Cubans entertained the Soviets in their country. Guatemala was in turmoil-orchestrated by the Central Intelligence Agency. Arbenz had to flee to Mexico. Allende in Chile was monitored by the Americans. And Mousadeh of Iran was ousted.

What was the leadership of PPP thinking when they sent the photograph of Josef Stalin to PPP cells in the villages? Grown men hung the huge photograph of Stalin around their necks and paraded themselves in the presence of the Governor of the Colony-as a form of protest. Less than ten years had passed since Josef Stalin sat with Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman as an axis for defeating Adolph Hitler.  Western nations witnessed the maneuvers of the Soviets as they raced to occupy Germany. In the end, occupying East Germany.  The world watched as the Soviets dominated the lives of the Eastern Europeans.

Who in their right mind would think that the PPP would have been allowed to hand Guyana over to the Soviets?

Just as a today, the PPP of 1953 abandoned their Ministerial duties in pursuit of another agenda. The Legislature descended into upheaval – chaos. Diplomacy and respect for Higher Authority trampled, replaced by anger and plain stubbornness. A line dawn in the Guyanese society, either one was a PPP or a Colonial Stooge. The situation became as historians compare the civilizations of the Greeks and Romans. The Greeks, cultured and diplomatic. The Romans, barbaric and uncouth.

The PPP was never an organization of calmness – always confrontational. Just as today, propaganda was their stock and trade. Justice, diplomacy, good reasoning and decency escaped and escapes their minds. A barbaric group of individuals.  For those of a cultured disposition, the path to Independence was going to be one of observing all the protocols of a matured society capable of being Independent.  Such a path was to be scorned by the People’s Progressive Party-their objections simply dismissed as, “Colonial Stooges.”

With charged rhetoric coming from the People’s Progressive Party, a concerned Governor of the Colony called in the Premier for dialogue. The Governor disclosed, “It appears the Premier is not thinking on his own-someone else is directing his decisions.”

Who is directing Donald Ramotar?

PROROGUE of parliament is to empower a group of individuals who do not have to answer for their actions. The PPP tried the same things in 1953-to do whatever they wanted. But there was a Higher Power then to curb their excessive behaviour. The Constitution was suspended.

Until the Governor read the reasons for the Suspension Order on the radio. Rural peoples never knew the leadership of the PPP made several trips to the Soviet block for indoctrinations. They transported and disseminate subversive literature throughout the colony. Encouraged sabotage and civil disorder.  

 Unfortunate for the citizens. In the rural areas, the voice of the Colonials was drown out by the PPP. Their message to the Indoes, “We Care.” Similar to the present day, “We Care.”

Back in the fifties, the “We Care” was to empower the PPP whose deceitful plan was to take the people into the Soviet sphere.

Today’s, “We Care” is to empower the PPP to continue their reckless administration of the country-disrespect for parliament, corruption, cronyism and list could go on and on.

Those “We Care” had and has a price. Jim Jones cared too. And his followers committed mass suicide.

I ask the voters who willingly give their votes to the PPP. Do you see the pattern of despair and suicides in the rural areas-your communities?

Do you really believe that the People’s Progressive Party cares?      

STUBBORNNESS-a natural trait of the leadership of the People’s Progressive Party. Unwilling to change ideology. Unwilling to provide good governance. Unwilling to call Local Government Elections. Unwilling to call General Elections. Unwilling to replace corrupt ministers. Unwilling to re-convene parliament in a timely manner. Unwilling to lift the prorogue decree.

Stubbornness.

East Indians must understand why the People’s Progressive Party has to go. If East Indians are part of the PPP stubbornness, then what will emerge as the Alternative? There is no Linden Forbes Samson Burnham this time around. He was the lesser of two evils imposed by the British. For we are truly witnessing an evil and corrupt People’s Progressive Party. The British cannot choose for us anymore. It is Guyanese who will have to determine the Change.     

The PPP have boasted of not ever lost an election. But this time around, they could. That depends entirely on the People’s National Congress, Mr. Granger and Mr. Nagamoottoo. Each, separately must weigh their choices. Either to seek personal ambitions or place Guyana foremost.

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Originally Posted by Vish M:
Gilkaka,
 
 you are pushing this just too far......this place is not for the Gita
 
 
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

I live and die by one principle:

 

Money talks and BS walks.

Your Bhagavad Gita does not endorse that principle. My copy says otherwise.

 

Point taken, Vish. You have to understand that yuji22 and I get along just fine despite our opposing politics. I know how far to push his button and vice versa. You would have noticed that I let his point about the Mahabharrat and politics pass.

FM
Gilbakka,
 
I must apologize for my "typo"
 
Sorry 
 
 
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Vish M:
Gilkaka,
 
 you are pushing this just too far......this place is not for the Gita
 
 
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

I live and die by one principle:

 

Money talks and BS walks.

Your Bhagavad Gita does not endorse that principle. My copy says otherwise.

 

Point taken, Vish. You have to understand that yuji22 and I get along just fine despite our opposing politics. I know how far to push his button and vice versa. You would have noticed that I let his point about the Mahabharrat and politics pass.

 

Vish M
Originally Posted by Vish M:
Gilbakka,
 
I must apologize for my "typo"
 
Sorry 
 
 
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Vish M:
Gilkaka,
 
 you are pushing this just too far......this place is not for the Gita
 
 
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

I live and die by one principle:

 

Money talks and BS walks.

Your Bhagavad Gita does not endorse that principle. My copy says otherwise.

 

Point taken, Vish. You have to understand that yuji22 and I get along just fine despite our opposing politics. I know how far to push his button and vice versa. You would have noticed that I let his point about the Mahabharrat and politics pass.

 

Not a problem, Vish. We're cool.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Vish M:
Gilbakka,
 
I must apologize for my "typo"
 
Sorry 
 
 
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Vish M:
Gilkaka,
 
 you are pushing this just too far......this place is not for the Gita
 
 
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

I live and die by one principle:

 

Money talks and BS walks.

Your Bhagavad Gita does not endorse that principle. My copy says otherwise.

 

Point taken, Vish. You have to understand that yuji22 and I get along just fine despite our opposing politics. I know how far to push his button and vice versa. You would have noticed that I let his point about the Mahabharrat and politics pass.

 

Not a problem, Vish. We're cool.

Vish, is our home town boy he is cool.

Django
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by cain:

You two not real Guyanese people, you suppose to cuss up mattie right about now. Gill you too soff. hehhe

 

Yall doan bother with me yeh I just watch myself in a movie, well he does a good role of me, Al Pacino in The Devil's Advocate.

yuh like mek truble.

Now how de ass you come up with dat? Anything to do with drowin fish?

I think I'm in shit now with that banna, hehehe

cain
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by cain:

You two not real Guyanese people, you suppose to cuss up mattie right about now. Gill you too soff. hehhe

 

Yall doan bother with me yeh I just watch myself in a movie, well he does a good role of me, Al Pacino in The Devil's Advocate.

yuh like mek truble.

Now how de ass you come up with dat? Anything to do with drowin fish?

I think I'm in shit now with that banna, hehehe

ha..ha.ha you telling Gil,he too soff he shud start

a fight you r...s na know Vish is from our

neck'o'woods...na man yuh aaright cool bro.

 

Django
Originally Posted by KishanB:

Indians are not 40% of the population and the PPP getting 90% of them.  That is 36%.

 

Then they will get a 5% from Amerindians and 8% from Mixed and other.

 

That is not 50%

 

ADD  36+5+8 Less than 50%.

That's 49%, well within the margin of error.  It is 50:50.  The dynamics of the week before the election, and election day itself will determine who the victor will be.

 

By the way your 5% and 8% I think are a bit high and your 36% a bit low.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

Well, you join PNC even though you saw and experienced PNC supporters racism in 2011.  Remember, you could not go to any Afro neighborhoods without your AFC T-shirt fully displayed on your chest.

 

The PPP is not only winning with the Indian population, they got 49% in 2011 after a defection of approx 6-7% to the AFC.  Was just on the phone with my GT connections, not PPP, just friends.  Looks like the PPP will be returned with a handsome majority, 54% at a minimum.  That makes it over 10% non-Indian vote.

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:

Indians are not 40% of the population and the PPP getting 90% of them.  That is 36%.

 

Then they will get a 5% from Amerindians and 8% from Mixed and other.

 

That is not 50%

 

ADD  36+5+8 Less than 50%.

Hey, talk lies hard and long enough does not make it the truth.  Banna, I thought you learnt your lesson back in 2011.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
 Remember, you could not go to any Afro neighborhoods without your AFC T-shirt fully displayed on your chest.

 

 

What a lie. Last time the AFc was also running against the PNC and boasting that it would replace them in parliament as the largest opposition party. 

 

The AFC represented more of a threat to the PNC last time than did the PPP.  The PNC knew that the PPP wasn't going to make inroads into PNC support bases.  They had already seen the AFC do so in 2006, resulting in abysmally bad performance by the PNC.

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 Remember, you could not go to any Afro neighborhoods without your AFC T-shirt fully displayed on your chest.

 

 

What a lie. Last time the AFc was also running against the PNC and boasting that it would replace them in parliament as the largest opposition party. 

 

The AFC represented more of a threat to the PNC last time than did the PPP.  The PNC knew that the PPP wasn't going to make inroads into PNC support bases.  They had already seen the AFC do so in 2006, resulting in abysmally bad performance by the PNC.

You know not what you say.  Basemen was there and questioned the AFC's soft line regarding the PNC record while attacking the PPP with everything they has.  I had a certain apprehension and the results of the voting proved out my suspicions.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:

The openly racial campaigning and bringing up the past is scaring some Indians, but turning off the few Afros who vote PPP. Also turning off some of the relatively larger mixed population who vote for PPP. The election has teeth. For the first time since 1992, I can't say PPP will win an election. None of this is helpful when the Indo population is between 35 to 39%.

Well, you join PNC even though you saw and experienced PNC supporters racism in 2011.  Remember, you could not go to any Afro neighborhoods without your AFC T-shirt fully displayed on your chest.

 

The PPP is not only winning with the Indian population, they got 49% in 2011 after a defection of approx 6-7% to the AFC.  Was just on the phone with my GT connections, not PPP, just friends.  Looks like the PPP will be returned with a handsome majority, 54% at a minimum.  That makes it over 10% non-Indian vote.

This is patently false, there are a litany of pictures with Gerhard and others in what would be considered PNC neighborhoods none of them had on AFC shirts.

 

Total and utter bullshit.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
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We all have to admit that the PNC's tenure from 1964 to 1992 was really friggin terrible by any measure. We can point to some instances of competence or what not but largely it was pretty awful.

 

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Correction.  It was hell between 1978 and 1990.  Guyana was in a good place before then, and Hoyte blocked the Jagan communists from turning Guyana into Cuba.  Had Cheddi directly replaces Jagan look at Cuba and see what Guyana would have been today.  In fact Guyana would have been worse, given that it started at a more backward place to begin with.

Caribny, the Berlin wall came down in 1989 and the Soviet system with the Warsaw Pact countries came down with it. The Socialist International (the fraternal communist parties controlled by Moscow) was not what it was. The PPP supporters in the Diaspora was meaningful at that point. So I could not see how a Cheddi Jagan-led PPP would have taken Guyana the Cuban route. Note that Michael Manley in Jamaica was suitably changed also and I don't think Cheddi would have been not affected.

Kari
Originally Posted by KishanB:

Indians are not 40% of the population and the PPP getting 90% of them.  That is 36%.

 

Then they will get a 5% from Amerindians and 8% from Mixed and other.

 

That is not 50%

 

ADD  36+5+8 Less than 50%.

Kishan, if the population breakdown is the same as the registered voters which is the same as actual voters then your logic may hold some water. However Caribny has given the clearest indication of the relationship of the different races' percentage of the population and assuming racial voting the relationship of the different races' actual voting. What he showed by GECOM's figures and the regions results, the percentage of Amerindian voters who register and of those who register the percentage of those registered who actually voted and compared that to the Indians, the latter has a higher effective voting traffic. Likewise Indians compared with Blacks is also higher. Even if you compute a 66% to 33% of mixed-race voting to the PNC (now the coalition), the point being made is that there is no linear relationship between the Indians’ 42% or so of the population and that percentage of their votes minus the 5% who will vote for the other party or stay home.

Kari

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