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Monday, 07 January 2013 22:22

SCORES of Guyanese have expressed concern over what they say is a highly offensive and racially charged comment made by Opposition Leader David Granger on social media. The comment has attracted criticisms from not only Guyanese of East Indian decent, but of African lineage that are strongly rejecting any appeal to politics or pandering to race by politicians to score cheap political points. 
 
Granger stated via the social media networking site Facebook,   in essence, that Indo-Guyanese were allegedly everyday literally responsible for killing, raping, maligning and murdering their fellow East Indian brothers and sisters. He also argued that those in power were failing to protect their own. 
 
“Readers of Stabroek News, Kaieteur News, Demerara Waves, Capitol News, and even Guyana Times will rapidly form one stark conclusion: it is not APNU or PNC political propaganda that every day a tragically and rapidly ballooning mass of Guyanese of Indian descent are being murdered, raped, mutilated, kidnapped, hijacked, pirated, trafficked, and extorted by other Guyanese of Indian descent – typically those sheltered by the very people in political power saying that ‘apaan jhat’ will protect”.  
 
Immediately after the comment was posted, scores of Guyanese took to their own Facebook pages expressing their dissatisfaction with the insensitive statements and the underlying rhetoric therein. 
 
Trinity Watson in her post stated that “it’s such a shame that the leader of the opposition would reduce to such a statement...what is he trying to incite here.....”
 
“What is he trying to do? Start another race war?”, Rahm Ramdhani quizzed while “Fenton Goorahoo stated “can you imagine the price one would have to pay from a political and so call[sic] leader viewpoint, with a statement of this nature in any other multicultured and democratic country....his head would be chewed off and asked to resign....”
 
Others have also expressed their concerns over the distasteful political blunder made by Granger, who said that  APNU was not a party formed to talk race or interested in race politics but merely focused on establishing a government of national unity. 
 
“If Mr Granger sincerely cares about the welfare of Indians in Guyana then he must apologise for the atrocities committed on Indians by the PNC regime of which he[is] part and also the deliberate targeting of Indians during the opposition street protests. Also the murder, rape and robbing of many thousands of Indian businessmen and women by opposition-inspired Afro-Guyanese criminals...Otherwise it's just empty words!!!!”, another Facebook user commented. 
 
The statement made by Granger is merely an excerpt from another politically insensitive piece penned and posted on his social media page. Already some politicians say that they are ready to ask the Opposition Leader to explain what is meant by the loaded and allegedly racist statement.

** USE File PHOTO of David Granger

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Originally Posted by Stormborn:

Granger is racist and the PPP chronicle editorial page was a mistake! what hypocrites!

If Granger is a racist then the AFC is also racist. Did you or the Afc ever tell Granger that he is out of line? No, because APNU and AFC like batty and poke. You get some nerve to come here and speak ills of Granger when you guys can't do without each other. That is real ***kery, rainstorm!

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FM

"Granger stated via the social media networking site Facebook,   in essence, that Indo-Guyanese were allegedly everyday literally responsible for killing, raping, maligning and murdering their fellow East Indian brothers and sisters. He also argued that those in power were failing to protect their own." 

 

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If Granger said that he is pretty close to being right. Of course the world "everyday" would have been inserted there by the boat Brahmin to deceive the people. I am glad to see Granger taking head on the PPP's racist propaganda "don't split the vote strategy."

FM



quote:
Originally Posted by TK:



"Granger stated via the social media networking site Facebook,   in essence, that Indo-Guyanese were allegedly everyday literally responsible for killing, raping, maligning and murdering their fellow East Indian brothers and sisters. He also argued that those in power were failing to protect their own."





 

In essence means that he never said that, but that's what his enemies want you to believe he said. So he has been deliberately misquoted in order to stir up racial tension. In essance (sic) the PPP fabricated the whole incident. It is all lies.

 

Mr.T
Originally Posted by baseman:

Indians, watch your back.  Be ware of trojan horses, katahar back-stabbers and Judas.  They will break bread with you and poison your tea.  BEWARE.

Beware of Trojans:

FM
Originally Posted by TK:

"Granger stated via the social media networking site Facebook,   in essence, that Indo-Guyanese were allegedly everyday literally responsible for killing, raping, maligning and murdering their fellow East Indian brothers and sisters. He also argued that those in power were failing to protect their own." 

 

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If Granger said that he is pretty close to being right. Of course the world "everyday" would have been inserted there by the boat Brahmin to deceive the people. I am glad to see Granger taking head on the PPP's racist propaganda "don't split the vote strategy."

TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger. He does not want to offend Granger and his PNC bosses since he is eying up the junior deputy finance minister position. TK, I cannot blame you..... You are a politician after all. As Rev posted, politicians love milk and honey.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

Granger is racist and the PPP chronicle editorial page was a mistake! what hypocrites!

If Granger is a racist then the AFC is also racist. Did you or the Afc ever tell Granger that he is out of line? No, because APNU and AFC like batty and poke. You get some nerve to come here and speak ills of Granger when you guys can't do without each other. That is real ***kery, rainstorm!

.

I see thinking is not your forte so random slinging of mud is your only resort. The point is that daily the Indians leverage accusations that black men are brutes and prone to violence and see no wrong in the claim.There is no checks on what is being said. Its pervasive and casual acceptance  almost rises to the level of a cultural trait ie to Indians blacks are evil. The constant refrain is the PNC?...never

 

Yet when the reality that Indians dominate the drug trade, run a crooked government that even used a drug fiend as its agency of legal enforcement you are miffed if Granger concludes Indians are at the source of cruelty to themselves! As I said thinking is not your forte and the usual retreat of those being led by the nose through false ideologies is ...yes to violence....

 

FM
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Originally Posted by baseman:

Indians, watch your back.  Be ware of trojan horses, katahar back-stabbers and Judas.  They will break bread with you and poison your tea.  BEWARE.

The usual syndrome....deflect from your disease even though clearly ill  by insisting it is the calamity before you is of others

FM

I do not believe Granger is racist however , I have heard him make some pretty stupid remarks, which people can and have mis-interpreted. The politics in Guyana is race based, has been and still is so, lets not forget that making statements within that political framework leaves lots of room for such situations. I realize that many Guyanese are struggling with their own racism , including the generation born post Burnham and jagan era , and are trying their darnest to rid themselves of this demonic possession . I know they want to be fair and just but when a society is diseased by racism it takes generations to cure and lots of courage .

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by TK:

"Granger stated via the social media networking site Facebook,   in essence, that Indo-Guyanese were allegedly everyday literally responsible for killing, raping, maligning and murdering their fellow East Indian brothers and sisters. He also argued that those in power were failing to protect their own." 

 

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If Granger said that he is pretty close to being right. Of course the world "everyday" would have been inserted there by the boat Brahmin to deceive the people. I am glad to see Granger taking head on the PPP's racist propaganda "don't split the vote strategy."

TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger. He does not want to offend Granger and his PNC bosses since he is eying up the junior deputy finance minister position. TK, I cannot blame you..... You are a politician after all. As Rev posted, politicians love milk and honey.

 Dude, you should shut your damn mouth about who is racist or not. One does not have to go back far on this message board to see your naked and virulent expressions of racism in full bloom.

 

But that is besides the point; it is clear we have a racial problem and competing race groups t have been eternally in a power struggle. We are lucky we have not gone into out right race war as many states have experienced and one cannot say the mediating force is reason from either side. Our saving grace is actually our middle racial ground , our blended siblings. These, often ostracized people are our holy grail.

 

That being said, we need to address the problem of fairness and develop methodologies to address what the PPP conveniently claim does not exist, racial segmentation. Calling Granger a racist is tame for what will come if we avoid addressing this problem head on and constantly pretend we can continue in a "democracy" by one racial group simply because they are marginally superior in numbers. Worse, that race identified party is now claiming complete authority and it is a minority!

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by TK:

"Granger stated via the social media networking site Facebook,   in essence, that Indo-Guyanese were allegedly everyday literally responsible for killing, raping, maligning and murdering their fellow East Indian brothers and sisters. He also argued that those in power were failing to protect their own." 

 

============

 

If Granger said that he is pretty close to being right. Of course the world "everyday" would have been inserted there by the boat Brahmin to deceive the people. I am glad to see Granger taking head on the PPP's racist propaganda "don't split the vote strategy."

TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger. He does not want to offend Granger and his PNC bosses since he is eying up the junior deputy finance minister position. TK, I cannot blame you..... You are a politician after all. As Rev posted, politicians love milk and honey.

 

There is a difference between knowing and pretense. You pretend to know for the sole purpose of lying. I am not a politician, BTW. And my flow of milk is quite good without politics. 

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

Indians, watch your back.  Be ware of trojan horses, katahar back-stabbers and Judas.  They will break bread with you and poison your tea.  BEWARE.

 

Many of these Shameless CRABDAAG, NEE NEEE NEE MACK  NEE MACK HARAM IS RIGHT HERE!!!!!!

 

Nehru
Originally Posted by yuji22:
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TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger.

 


Yuji:

 

Folks like Tarron Khemraj(TK), Farouk Samaroo(Joker), Sasenarine Singh, Warrior, etc, etc are what you call in Guyana N*GGER INDIANS---they would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Nigel Huhes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
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TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger.

 


Yuji:

 

Folks like Tarron Khemraj(TK), Farouk Samaroo(Joker), Saasenarine Singh, Warrior, etc, etc are what you call in Guyana N*GGER INDIANS---they would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Nigel Huhes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

Rev Bhai

 

You are correct. They will sell their souls to the devil for a lil job and some soup.

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
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TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger.

 


Yuji:

 

Folks like Tarron Khemraj(TK), Farouk Samaroo(Joker), Sasenarine Singh, Warrior, etc, etc are what you call in Guyana N*GGER INDIANS---they would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Nigel Huhes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

What is a n i g g  e r indian? It did not take long for for what is latent in you to rise again to the fore. Being possessed of the thinking power of a gnat that is your universal approach.You do not make anyone "vex". You are what you are and you cannot help it.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
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TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger.

 


Yuji:

 

Folks like Tarron Khemraj(TK), Farouk Samaroo(Joker), Sasenarine Singh, Warrior, etc, etc are what you call in Guyana N*GGER INDIANS---they would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Nigel Huhes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

What is a n i g g  e r indian? It did not take long for for what is latent in you to rise again to the fore. Being possessed of the thinking power of a gnat that is your universal approach.You do not make anyone "vex". You are what you are and you cannot help it.

Let him talk...let him talk. I hope they preserve this thread. 

FM
I don't see the statement as being racist, but granger is missing the mark that this government is an Indian government, indians only vote for them as they fear the alternative. I would expect granger to now to tackle the race issue head on. The PPP will not .
FM
Originally Posted by Brutus:
I don't see the statement as being racist, but granger is missing the mark that this government is an Indian government, indians only vote for them as they fear the alternative. I would expect granger to now to tackle the race issue head on. The PPP will not .

 

The PNC has always failed to see the strategic nature of the fears. They allowed themselves to get sucked into it. The fear is the only asset of the PPP. 

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What is a n i g g  e r indian?


Stormy:

 

It looks like you have a reading comprehension problem!

 

Read carefully:

 

N*GGER INDIANS are Guyanese East Indians who are deeply ashamed of their culture and heritage---they are jealous and envious of successful East Indians--- they take pride in berating, castigating and hatefully criticizing East Indians---and most would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Hughes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What is a n i g g  e r indian?


Stormy:

 

It looks like you have a reading comprehension problem!

 

Read carefully:

 

N*GGER INDIANS are Guyanese East Indians who are deeply ashamed of their culture and heritage---they are jealous and envious of successful East Indians--- they take pride in berating, castigating and hatefully criticizing East Indians---and most would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Hughes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

 

That "definition" does't help to erase the deviousness of your intent. 

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What is a n i g g  e r indian?


Stormy:

 

It looks like you have a reading comprehension problem!

 

Read carefully:

 

N*GGER INDIANS are Guyanese East Indians who are deeply ashamed of their culture and heritage---they are jealous and envious of successful East Indians--- they take pride in berating, castigating and hatefully criticizing East Indians---and most would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Hughes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

Maybe I should have placed exclamation points after the sentence to illustrate it is rhetorical.

 

I do not think anyone is envious and jealous of crooks that is Representative of this administration. At least not anyone with a moral core. These people are not representative of anything good in any culture.

 

Further, Indians who are of the thinking kind know that as former Marxists culture and its furtherance is farthest form their praxis. These are users by trade and tradition. They want their vanguard party because they see the state as a prize, a leech source.

FM
Rev .. Stand down - I am a culturally aware Indian and my thoughts and actions are dictated by a strong conviction that discrimination based on race is evil whether its done by our own or by others. I understand the fear that you have...of going back to the Burnham days, this is where the grangers et al could atone and assure. As for the PPP . This environment suits their needs but the opposition can break the back of the ethnic problem by bringing the plight of blacks to the fore and behaving in a manner that would convince indians that the Burnham era is never going to return.
FM

Burnham dead nearly half a century ago and several presidents have been at the head of government since then. So going back to the Burnham days is like wishing you were a kid in kindergarted again. Only dumb jackasses would dream up such fantasies.

Mr.T

Nah...for Revvy personally its not fear of PNC. Because anyone who looks at the PNC rationally will see a Burnham PNC and a Hoyte PNC. For Revvy its economic. To protect the pigs' trough they must stir up racial fears among Indos. Anyone, especially Indos, who threatens the pig's food is demonized. This has been happening for 20 years. 

FM
Didn't Granger pay a glowing tribute to Forbes recently on his death anniversary? Whatever context it was made in, it either wasn't smart politics or he still concurs with Forbes methods.. It is silly to dismiss that important part of our history that has somewhat shaped our current predicament.
FM

One never speak bad of the dead. A tribute is about mentioning the good points, and avoiding the bad ones. Either way Jagdeo never spoke anywhere as well about Jagan. What does that tell us?

Mr.T
Oh for sure people who benefit from the administration will gnash their teeth when someone tries to take it away. How do we break this up and assure some semblance of fair distribution of wealth among the competing groups?
FM
Originally Posted by Brutus:
Rev .. Stand down - I am a culturally aware Indian and my thoughts and actions are dictated by a strong conviction that discrimination based on race is evil whether its done by our own or by others. I understand the fear that you have...of going back to the Burnham days, this is where the grangers et al could atone and assure. As for the PPP . This environment suits their needs but the opposition can break the back of the ethnic problem by bringing the plight of blacks to the fore and behaving in a manner that would convince indians that the Burnham era is never going to return.

 I do not think Indians need to be cuddled and cajoled. I also do not think black people need to be affirmed in the society. It is a moral question whether one would want this present odious political ethos to continue where one or the other is locked out by our embrace of race based politics.

FM
Originally Posted by Brutus:
Rev .. I understand the fear that you have...of going back to the Burnham days...


Listen Brutus!

 

The world has changed--and Guyana has changed--the days of rigged elections are over---the Burnham days will never return.

 

51% OF GUYANESE VOTED FOR A PARTY OTHER THAN THE PPP IN THE LAST ELECTION. BUT THE BURNHAM CONSTITUTION GIFTED THE PRESIDENCY TO THE PPP.

 

Now, if in the next election the PNC and AFC were to form a coalition, and if that coalition wins the election---that's OK with the Rev---Granger and company will finally get to feast on the milk and honey.

 

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MILK AND HONEY BRUTUS!

 

Lemme make it crystal clear---if the Guyanese people want a Granger to be president---and if a Granger led coalition wins the majority of votes---then so be it---that's cool with the Rev--let Granger and company feast on the milk and honey.

 

Rev

 

 

FM

Granger is not the only choice for a new president.

 

What is really taking place here is that the PPP stooges are trying to divert attention from the real opposition who can take over the running of the government. Namely the AFC. This whole Granger/Burnham spin is solely designed to avoid the mention of those three feared letters:

A

F

C

Mr.T
Remember too much milk and honey gives you diabetes. Part of growing older .. You realize aggrandizement is not one of the routes to happiness. The quest for fairness and justice however, never wanes.
FM
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

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What is really taking place here is that the PPP stooges are trying to divert attention from the real opposition who can take over the running of the government. Namely the AFC.

 

Mr. T:

 

The AFC will always be perceived as the 3rd party in Guyana---the 10% party---it's a party comprised of rejects, bellyachers, sourpusses, political losers and political failures.

 

Right now Ramjattan and the AFC are doing a good job braying loudly in parliament and pi$$ing off the Guyanese people for impeding progress in the country.

 

BUT NO WAY THE AFC WILL LEAD GUYANA BEFORE THE PNC!

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

Granger is not the only choice for a new president.

 

What is really taking place here is that the PPP stooges are trying to divert attention from the real opposition who can take over the running of the government. Namely the AFC. This whole Granger/Burnham spin is solely designed to avoid the mention of those three feared letters:

A

F

C

Mr T look how these Poom Poom Parasites like Rev Al  losing it....

because AFC is the enemy of corruption...

 

AFC is all they can focus on.....

they dont want to face the law for thiefing.....

They feel PNC will give them a get out of Jail Pass......

but they know......

AFC= Jail Time for nuff a dem who thiefing the Milk and Honey as Rev Al say.

 

 

FM
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Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What is a n i g g  e r indian?


Stormy:

 

It looks like you have a reading comprehension problem!

 

Read carefully:

 

N*GGER INDIANS are Guyanese East Indians who are deeply ashamed of their culture and heritage---they are jealous and envious of successful East Indians--- they take pride in berating, castigating and hatefully criticizing East Indians---and most would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Hughes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

Rant Rev... you suh smaht bai. You got all kindsa fancy names for everybody.

A
Originally Posted by antabanta:
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What is a n i g g  e r indian?


Stormy:

 

It looks like you have a reading comprehension problem!

 

Read carefully:

 

N*GGER INDIANS are Guyanese East Indians who are deeply ashamed of their culture and heritage---they are jealous and envious of successful East Indians--- they take pride in berating, castigating and hatefully criticizing East Indians---and most would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Hughes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

Rant Rev... you suh smaht bai. You got all kindsa fancy names for everybody.

    

 

I see you like that phrase anta.

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

Sections of the society may view Granger's comments as very insensitive and speaks volumes of his mentality.

And where are the first hand comments? 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
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TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger.

 


Yuji:

 

Folks like Tarron Khemraj(TK), Farouk Samaroo(Joker), Saasenarine Singh, Warrior, etc, etc are what you call in Guyana N*GGER INDIANS---they would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Nigel Huhes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

Rev Bhai

 

You are correct. They will sell their souls to the devil for a lil job and some soup.

 

Let's see if I got it straight here.

 

The folks who are somehow aligned with the AFC would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Nigel Huhes of Guyana.

 

Stay with me here now doan get lost.

 

Would this mean the folks who are aligned with the PPP/C would bend over FORWARD to do this appeasing?

 

cain
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

 

That being said, we need to address the problem of fairness and develop methodologies to address what the PPP conveniently claim does not exist, racial segmentation. Calling Granger a racist is tame for what will come if we avoid addressing this problem head on and constantly pretend we can continue in a "democracy" by one racial group simply because they are marginally superior in numbers. Worse, that race identified party is now claiming complete authority and it is a minority!


The PPP has no interest in any intelligent discussion concerning our racial anxieties.  Indeed this comment about statements ALLEGEDLY made by Granger and most likely out of context at that, is an attempt to fan racial anxiety from Indians.  You see the "bad PNC is again terrorising Indians" is their cry. 

 

And as usual they muffle the clear racial intent by "introducing" African supporters, real or imagined.  Of course we are left to ponder about what happened to those African supporters when they were most needed last election.

 

Now when the Chronicle wrote that Africans were a race ofr brutes whose sole intent is to attack, rob, rape and kill Indians what did the PPP have to say about this?  The paper is owned and controlled by the Govt and so they bear responsibility for its contents.

 

But you see its OK to peddle the myth of the Savage Black man.  Now it is pointed out that many Indian victims of crime suffer at the hands of their fellow Indians, that is considered racist.

 

I amk really sorry for those blacks who are cursed to be living in Guyana.  They live under conditions little better than Jim Crow where they are terrified to publicly describe their condition and yet daily endure racially based abuse.

FM

DAVID GRANGER CAN SAY OR DO NO WRONG FOR 41% OF GUYANESE---READ THE RECENT MAN ON THE STREET COMMENTS FROM CAROLYN MATHURIN AND DONALD TROTZ BELOW:

 

 

 

* CAROLYN MATHURIN: "Well I voted for APNU in the last election. I thought Mr. Granger would be a good president. But apnu lost and I must say I am disappointed with Mr. Granger as opposition leader. It seems as if the AFC and Mr. Ramjattan are running things in parliament. I would like to see more leadership from Mr. Granger and APNU parliamentarians, but instead AFC seem to be in control and Mr. Granger is just following what Mr. Ramjattan, Mr. Nagamootoo and the AFC is proposing. I will vote for APNU and Mr. Granger in the next election. But I hope he stop following AFC and start leading on his own."

 

 

* DONALD TROTZ: "It pains me to see how wealthy PPP politicians have become while their party controls the executive branch. Guyana is doing well, but this is not because of the PPP. I would like to see the PNC given a next chance to run Guyana. I don't trust the AFC. The lawyers in that party are a bunch of opportunists. They will be bigger thieves than the PPP politicians. Mr. Granger is a man of integrity. He should be given a chance to run the country."

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

TK...don't pretend to be a Sunday school boy, its inconceivable to believe you didn't saw his comments

I did not see his comments. That is why I am asking for the first hand comments. 

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:

DAVID GRANGER CAN SAY OR DO NO WRONG FOR 41% OF GUYANESE---READ THE RECENT MAN ON THE STREET COMMENTS FROM CAROLYN MATHURIN AND DONALD TROTZ BELOW:

 

 

 

* CAROLYN MATHURIN: "Well I voted for APNU in the last election. I thought Mr. Granger would be a good president. But apnu lost and I must say I am disappointed with Mr. Granger as opposition leader. It seems as if the AFC and Mr. Ramjattan are running things in parliament. I would like to see more leadership from Mr. Granger and APNU parliamentarians, but instead AFC seem to be in control and Mr. Granger is just following what Mr. Ramjattan, Mr. Nagamootoo and the AFC is proposing. I will vote for APNU and Mr. Granger in the next election. But I hope he stop following AFC and start leading on his own."

 

 

* DONALD TROTZ: "It pains me to see how wealthy PPP politicians have become while their party controls the executive branch. Guyana is doing well, but this is not because of the PPP. I would like to see the PNC given a next chance to run Guyana. I don't trust the AFC. The lawyers in that party are a bunch of opportunists. They will be bigger thieves than the PPP politicians. Mr. Granger is a man of integrity. He should be given a chance to run the country."

 

 


And the Indian 45% are just as race obsessed with their blind devotion to the PPP.

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

TK you aren't no dunce (or perceived not to be), I'm sure you have access to those comments

I did not see the first hand account. I would like to write a letter on the comments but can't unless I see the actual comments. Can't go with what is in Chronicle. 

FM
Originally Posted by Brutus:
I don't see the statement as being racist, but granger is missing the mark that this government is an Indian government, indians only vote for them as they fear the alternative. I would expect granger to now to tackle the race issue head on. The PPP will not .

Both the PPP and the PNC are caught in the same trap.  they exist because of the racial enxieties of their supporters and so focus on whipping up these fears.  As they whip up their own supporters into a racial frenzy, they tell the other side that they are not wanted.  Oh yes both the PPP and the PNC pretend to be multi racial but look at where the TRUE leadership of BOTH parties comes from. 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
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TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger.

 


Yuji:

 

Folks like Tarron Khemraj(TK), Farouk Samaroo(Joker), Saasenarine Singh, Warrior, etc, etc are what you call in Guyana N*GGER INDIANS---they would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Nigel Huhes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

Rev Bhai

 

You are correct. They will sell their souls to the devil for a lil job and some soup.

 

Whats wrong with what Sase, TK and Samaru is saying.....

 

 

Jagdeo, Ramotar and Gajraj (all Indians)...... 

De 3 Top Poom Poom Cheese.....

put us in this Racial mess in Guyana.....

Roger Khan was a known fugative from the United States....

Roger Khan was a Drug Lord in Guyana....

Roger Khan was smuggleing Guns in Guyana....

Roger Khan was involved in the thiefing of the AK-47 from the GDF

Roger Khan was the Head of A Dangerous Criminal Gang in Guyana

The Guyana Govt Failed to protect it's citizens....

and in stead of accepting US, British or Canadian help.....

they choose to get involve with their (Indian)Drug Lord......

This is what makes the Indians in Guyana Look Bad.....

 

Further ......the PNC had some of the very worst Thiefman, Rapist, Kick-down-door Bandits and Killer thugs .......who only Beat, Rob and Kill PPP Indian Supporters.....

These Black PNC Thugs Like Lamumba, Taps, Hamilton, Bynoe, Kwame and others are now either in Office of the President or at Freedom House....

 

De Poom Poom Cheese in the PPP see ......these Black thugs as Valuable assets.....

De Poom Poom Cheese in the PPP see ..... People Like Moses, Khemraj, Ralph, Joey and Nadira as Liability...

 

Granger is happy Jagdeo and Ramotar adopted and embrace the Black Racist Thugs.

 

Granger is Happy ......

the two worst Fugatives Roger Khan (Indian) and Philip Bynoe (Black)..... work for The Poom Poom Panties/Cheese......

now....Jagdeo & Ramotar helping him Clean up the PNC.

 

 

Whats wrong with what Sase, TK and Samaru is saying.....

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

Sections of the society may view Granger's comments as very insensitive and speaks volumes of his mentality.

All guyanese yuh Poom Poom Cheese showing

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by antabanta:
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What is a n i g g  e r indian?


Stormy:

 

It looks like you have a reading comprehension problem!

 

Read carefully:

 

N*GGER INDIANS are Guyanese East Indians who are deeply ashamed of their culture and heritage---they are jealous and envious of successful East Indians--- they take pride in berating, castigating and hatefully criticizing East Indians---and most would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Hughes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

Rant Rev... you suh smaht bai. You got all kindsa fancy names for everybody.

    

 

I see you like that phrase anta.

 

Rev

Rev: Me nah vex. Me use de word wan time about coolie n*gger. Dem negroes on this site seh me gat blackman pun me mine all de time. Good call bro.

FM

The Guyanese Populace has seen the joint opposition true colors, in the event of any snap elections, it is clear to predict which party the masses will endorse.They'll endorse the truly working class party, thus ensuring progress continues

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by antabanta:
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
What is a n i g g  e r indian?


Stormy:

 

It looks like you have a reading comprehension problem!

 

Read carefully:

 

N*GGER INDIANS are Guyanese East Indians who are deeply ashamed of their culture and heritage---they are jealous and envious of successful East Indians--- they take pride in berating, castigating and hatefully criticizing East Indians---and most would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Hughes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

Rant Rev... you suh smaht bai. You got all kindsa fancy names for everybody.

    

 

I see you like that phrase anta.

 

Rev

Rev: Me nah vex. Me use de word wan time about coolie n*gger. Dem negroes on this site seh me gat blackman pun me mine all de time. Good call bro.

 

 

Ayo hear de ignohorant jackass ale fool. only shit a come out yuh mout. 

 

 

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by TK:

"Granger stated via the social media networking site Facebook,   in essence, that Indo-Guyanese were allegedly everyday literally responsible for killing, raping, maligning and murdering their fellow East Indian brothers and sisters. He also argued that those in power were failing to protect their own." 

 

============

 

If Granger said that he is pretty close to being right. Of course the world "everyday" would have been inserted there by the boat Brahmin to deceive the people. I am glad to see Granger taking head on the PPP's racist propaganda "don't split the vote strategy."

TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger. He does not want to offend Granger and his PNC bosses since he is eying up the junior deputy finance minister position. TK, I cannot blame you..... You are a politician after all. As Rev posted, politicians love milk and honey.

 

There is a difference between knowing and pretense. You pretend to know for the sole purpose of lying. I am not a politician, BTW. And my flow of milk is quite good without politics. 

And what's worse than knowing, but still pretending.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by TK:

"Granger stated via the social media networking site Facebook,   in essence, that Indo-Guyanese were allegedly everyday literally responsible for killing, raping, maligning and murdering their fellow East Indian brothers and sisters. He also argued that those in power were failing to protect their own." 

 

============

 

If Granger said that he is pretty close to being right. Of course the world "everyday" would have been inserted there by the boat Brahmin to deceive the people. I am glad to see Granger taking head on the PPP's racist propaganda "don't split the vote strategy."

TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger. He does not want to offend Granger and his PNC bosses since he is eying up the junior deputy finance minister position. TK, I cannot blame you..... You are a politician after all. As Rev posted, politicians love milk and honey.

 

There is a difference between knowing and pretense. You pretend to know for the sole purpose of lying. I am not a politician, BTW. And my flow of milk is quite good without politics. 

And what's worse than knowing, but still pretending.

Dishonesty is worst. 

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by TK:

"Granger stated via the social media networking site Facebook,   in essence, that Indo-Guyanese were allegedly everyday literally responsible for killing, raping, maligning and murdering their fellow East Indian brothers and sisters. He also argued that those in power were failing to protect their own." 

 

============

 

If Granger said that he is pretty close to being right. Of course the world "everyday" would have been inserted there by the boat Brahmin to deceive the people. I am glad to see Granger taking head on the PPP's racist propaganda "don't split the vote strategy."

TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger. He does not want to offend Granger and his PNC bosses since he is eying up the junior deputy finance minister position. TK, I cannot blame you..... You are a politician after all. As Rev posted, politicians love milk and honey.

 

There is a difference between knowing and pretense. You pretend to know for the sole purpose of lying. I am not a politician, BTW. And my flow of milk is quite good without politics. 

And what's worse than knowing, but still pretending.

Granger said ( if what is reported in the press is true) nothing that you yourself does not say with respect to black people so quit deluding yourself that you are wounded by his statements. Actually, he has more valid resaons to say so since an Indian identified party is in office and they are supposed to be the custodians of the state and protectors of the people first and foremost. Instead, they are cuddle bunnies with druglords ( dominated by indians) and under their rule the crime rates of all sorts sky rocketed.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
============

 

If Granger said that he is pretty close to being right. Of course the world "everyday" would have been inserted there by the boat Brahmin to deceive the people. I am glad to see Granger taking head on the PPP's racist propaganda "don't split the vote strategy."

TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger. He does not want to offend Granger and his PNC bosses since he is eying up the junior deputy finance minister position. TK, I cannot blame you..... You are a politician after all. As Rev posted, politicians love milk and honey.

 

There is a difference between knowing and pretense. You pretend to know for the sole purpose of lying. I am not a politician, BTW. And my flow of milk is quite good without politics. 

And what's worse than knowing, but still pretending.

Dishonesty is worst. 

Knowing but pretending IS dishonesty.  Example, getting the people's votes, then forming an alliance which they (people) strongly disapprove.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:

 

There is a difference between knowing and pretense. You pretend to know for the sole purpose of lying. I am not a politician, BTW. And my flow of milk is quite good without politics. 

And what's worse than knowing, but still pretending.

Granger said ( if what is reported in the press is true) nothing that you yourself does not say with respect to black people so quit deluding yourself that you are wounded by his statements. Actually, he has more valid resaons to say so since an Indian identified party is in office and they are supposed to be the custodians of the state and protectors of the people first and foremost. Instead, they are cuddle bunnies with druglords ( dominated by indians) and under their rule the crime rates of all sorts sky rocketed.

You talk too damn much.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
============

 

If Granger said that he is pretty close to being right. Of course the world "everyday" would have been inserted there by the boat Brahmin to deceive the people. I am glad to see Granger taking head on the PPP's racist propaganda "don't split the vote strategy."

TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger. He does not want to offend Granger and his PNC bosses since he is eying up the junior deputy finance minister position. TK, I cannot blame you..... You are a politician after all. As Rev posted, politicians love milk and honey.

 

There is a difference between knowing and pretense. You pretend to know for the sole purpose of lying. I am not a politician, BTW. And my flow of milk is quite good without politics. 

And what's worse than knowing, but still pretending.

Dishonesty is worst. 

Knowing but pretending IS dishonesty.  Example, getting the people's votes, then forming an alliance which they (people) strongly disapprove.

You mean alliance with the PNC? I don't see any. You want to itemize them so we can see clearly what you are seeing that we can't? But it is impossible to pass anything without PNC support. Furthermore the PPP and PNC are really the two in alliance going back to the days of critical support, splitting up the GECOM funds, colluding to self pay Jagdeo/Corbin pension packages and of course collude to keep the racial fears going. 

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:

 

There is a difference between knowing and pretense. You pretend to know for the sole purpose of lying. I am not a politician, BTW. And my flow of milk is quite good without politics. 

And what's worse than knowing, but still pretending.

Granger said ( if what is reported in the press is true) nothing that you yourself does not say with respect to black people so quit deluding yourself that you are wounded by his statements. Actually, he has more valid resaons to say so since an Indian identified party is in office and they are supposed to be the custodians of the state and protectors of the people first and foremost. Instead, they are cuddle bunnies with druglords ( dominated by indians) and under their rule the crime rates of all sorts sky rocketed.

You talk too damn much.

Don't listen....you apparently never developed the habit as a child anyways so no wonder you are such a shallow racist twerp!

FM
Originally Posted by Prashad:

Granger right. Many Coolies never met other coolies that they did not hate.  That is why Rev Al and Churchill should be taught lessons they will never forget.


Is what you gat against a great Guy like Churchill so man. ?

Nehru
Originally Posted by Conscience:

Sections of the society may view Granger's comments as very insensitive and speaks volumes of his mentality.

What did he say that is more offensive than the daily rant by many PPP supporters that AfroGuyanese are brutes whose sole objective is to attack, rob, rape and kill Indians?

 

I believe that he pointed out that Indians are increasingly being victimized by Indian criminals and yet blacks are being the only ones blamed.

 

Is it that you fear that a discussion of this fact threatens Indian support for the PPP, when they realize that what they need to fear are criminals of all races and a PPP which does nothing to protect them?

FM

In a muti-racial society, when one holds public office his/her views must represent the multi-ethnic composition of the society, its not becoming of an opposition leader to make such loose comments, it speaks volumes of his true desires, his comments should be denounce by the society as a whole

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

In a muti-racial society, when one holds public office his/her views must represent the multi-ethnic composition of the society, its not becoming of an opposition leader to make such loose comments, it speaks volumes of his true desires, his comments should be denounce by the society as a whole


conscience:

 

The Rev would let it slide--go easy on Granger--he knows not what he says--and he's probably not far away from senility.

 

Recently I read a comment from a Miss Carolyn Mathurin--she said she was very disappointed with Granger's leadership as opposition leader, but she would still vote for him.

 

Another person, Donald Trotz said Granger is a man of integrity.

 

The bottom line is Granger is well loved and respected by 41% of Guyanese people---so if he says something that is not politically correct---the Rev says let it slide.

 

IN THE MEANTIME THE PPP BAIS ARE FEASTING ON THE MILK & HONEY IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH--AND GRANGER IS DYING FOR A TASTE.lol

 

Rev

 

 

FM

Seems that Region 10’s Sharma Solomon is at it again. “It” being his desire to revisit the scene of his claim to fame – to blackmail the government with the threat of mayhem and arson to give in to his demands. He cancelled a meeting with the government representative and has called for a massive rally in Linden this Saturday. The message?  LET’S GET READY TO RUUUUUMBLE!!!!!
It worked for him once – and he got everything he wanted. Television station; rebuilding the primary school; land selection committee; economic development committee; moratorium on electricity tariffs; committee to review same etc…etc. So you’d wonder what else he wants, wouldn’t you? Well, like any bully, he wants all that he was able to extract, immediately! Or else.
There’s a procedure to be followed, in processing things, says the government. Not for Region 10, screams Solomon. Let’s take the TV station. Never mind that up to now, APNU has been violently opposed to the government owning a TV station. Says that such entities only broadcast “propaganda”. So what’ll be different when Region 10 owns the TV station? Ahhh…it’s the government ‘propaganda; that’s objectionable. The opposition’s OK!

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

In a muti-racial society, when one holds public office his/her views must represent the multi-ethnic composition of the society, its not becoming of an opposition leader to make such loose comments, it speaks volumes of his true desires, his comments should be denounce by the society as a whole

Tell that to the PPP who use the Westminster constitution and the electoral system to affirm its existence on the backs of mainly one ethnic group.

 

Were they intent on democratization and cultural cultural inclusion the would have addressed the insubstantial lacking in our political system that begs for racist violence based on the absolute exclusion of one half of our society from any avenue of power and decision making.

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

In a muti-racial society, when one holds public office his/her views must represent the multi-ethnic composition of the society,

So why then does the PPP do its best to exclude blacks?  Even in commemorating the Year of the African Diaspora kast year they excluded all but a few token blacks slabes, like thug cross dressing transvestita Kwame.

I look forward to comments from the PPP explaining why its chief orgain for spreading lies, The Chronicle, last year had an ENTIRE editorial damning Africans as savages and when others condemned thse racist remaks NO ONE in the PPP had anything to say.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Conscience:

In a muti-racial society, when one holds public office his/her views must represent the multi-ethnic composition of the society,

So why then does the PPP do its best to exclude blacks?  Even in commemorating the Year of the African Diaspora kast year they excluded all but a few token blacks slabes, like thug cross dressing transvestita Kwame.

I look forward to comments from the PPP explaining why its chief orgain for spreading lies, The Chronicle, last year had an ENTIRE editorial damning Africans as savages and when others condemned thse racist remaks NO ONE in the PPP had anything to say.

Since the issue was raised, the PPP has gone far in bringing afros into key positions.  Ohh, I know, for you it's not good enough, only a PNC regime will fit your bill.  Well, it ain't going to happen.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
So why then does the PPP do its best to exclude blacks? 


Listen carib!

 

The PPP is predominantly an East Indian party---85% of East Indians support the PPP; the remaining 15%, mostly N*GGER INDIANS, support the AFC and PNC, so it is understandable that the PPP will be prejudiced in favor of East Indians when it comes to doling out politicial positions.

 

Now carib, rather than complaining about the PPP---why not plead with the AFC to form a coalition with the PNC. In that way you dreams will come true--your beloved PNC will get a chance to feast on the milk and honey.

 

By the way, in any coalition between the AFC and the PNC---you know the AFC will be screwed, right carib bhai ? What a party--the PNC!!!

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by caribny:
So why then does the PPP do its best to exclude blacks? 


Listen carib!

 

The PPP is predominantly an East Indian party---85% of East Indians support the PPP; the remaining 15%, mostly N*GGER INDIANS, support the AFC and PNC, so it is understandable that the PPP will be prejudiced in favor of East Indians when it comes to doling out politicial positions.

 

Now carib, rather than complaining about the PPP---why not plead with the AFC to form a coalition with the PNC. In that way you dreams will come true--the PNC will get a chance to feast on the milk and honey.

 

By the way, in any coalition between the AFC and the PNC---you know the AFC will be screwed, right carib bhai ? What a party--the PNC!!!

 

Rev

well after the 2011 campaign the KULI Blacks that support the PPP drop to less than 5%. 

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by caribny:
So why then does the PPP do its best to exclude blacks? 


Listen carib!

 

The PPP is predominantly an East Indian party---85% of East Indians support the PPP; the remaining 15%, mostly N*GGER INDIANS, support the AFC and PNC, so it is understandable that the PPP will be prejudiced in favor of East Indians when it comes to doling out politicial positions.

 

Now carib, rather than complaining about the PPP---why not plead with the AFC to form a coalition with the PNC. In that way you dreams will come true--your beloved PNC will get a chance to feast on the milk and honey.

 

By the way, in any coalition between the AFC and the PNC---you know the AFC will be screwed, right carib bhai ? What a party--the PNC!!!

 

Rev

 

 

Rev Al:

 

I think is time for you to get a proper education.

 

The AFC WILL NEVER JOIN THE PNC.

 

Are you now educated.

 

Only tonight Mr Ramjattan was saying on Face book that the AFC will remain the conscience of the NATION.

 

So run away now you JACKASS rEV aL.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Conscience:

In a muti-racial society, when one holds public office his/her views must represent the multi-ethnic composition of the society,

So why then does the PPP do its best to exclude blacks?  Even in commemorating the Year of the African Diaspora kast year they excluded all but a few token blacks slabes, like thug cross dressing transvestita Kwame.

I look forward to comments from the PPP explaining why its chief orgain for spreading lies, The Chronicle, last year had an ENTIRE editorial damning Africans as savages and when others condemned thse racist remaks NO ONE in the PPP had anything to say.

Since the issue was raised, the PPP has gone far in bringing afros into key positions.  Ohh, I know, for you it's not good enough, only a PNC regime will fit your bill.  Well, it ain't going to happen.

Moron, the PPP does not have to "bring" in its patrons as representative Africans. Were it concerned with democracy the system would solve that problem in itself from the formalization of a representative system.


Who in linden elected Hinds or where from among the Amerindians is the Amerind minister lifted to her role? "You are them that brung you and no one wants anyone no one brung" as the old colloquial expression goes.

 

You are so caught in the standard traps you have become more than tiresome with the same stilted responses. Go read a damn book on democracy and its functions and re arm yourself least you become too contented at being a dunce.

FM
Originally Posted by Mahen:
Rev Al:

 

I think is time for you to get a proper education.

 

The AFC WILL NEVER JOIN THE PNC.

 

Are you now educated.

 

Only tonight Mr Ramjattan was saying on Face book that the AFC will remain the conscience of the NATION.

 

So run away now you JACKASS rEV aL.


Mahen!

 

Thanks for the education bro!

 

Listen! The truth is Ramjattan doesn't mind forming a coalition with the PNC but Moses is the stumbling black:

 

MOSES SAID IN PRIVATE--NOT OVER MY DEAD BODY--THERE WILL BE NO AFC/PNC COALITION.

 

So it looks like Guyanese will have to wait until Moses kicks the bucket for the AFC to hook up with the PNC.

 

In the meantime Ramo and the bais will be feasting on the honey in the executive branch.

 

Rev

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
.

Since the issue was raised, the PPP has gone far in bringing afros into key positions.  Ohh, I know, for you it's not good enough, only a PNC regime will fit your bill.  Well, it ain't going to happen.

 

 

Really?  Like who?  Roger Luncheon was asked this last year by Nigel Hughes and he sputtered and stammered, couldnt name any but the usual suspects (tokens lkike him, Benn and a few others), and tghen proceeded to claim that Africans were under represented in leadership positions because they were unqualified.  I guess hair texture is the sole criteria used.

 

Even you conceded that blacks are under represented in leadership positions and that Jagdeo was as bad as Burnham was in a strategy of ethnic exclusion.

 

Its gotten so bad that even Kamla in Tdad has decided to copy the PPP and to squeeze every black Trini she can find out of leadership.

 

I guess Tdad and Guyana will unite as Indesh.

FM

Me Fada seh that it is a known fact that David Grangir, the ex-GDF man GOT BLOOD ON HIS HAND AND is a well known racist.

 

But Me FADA SEH, so does the whole DUCK Rumtar cabal, they also got blood on their hands and are avowed racist.

 

He said he is an old timer and he ask me to ask the old time PPP organisers like Feroaze Mohamed how the PPP kill an indian family in Berbice that cross over to the PNC in the 70's.

 

He ask me to ask PPP criminals like Horse and Beast, how the murdered that PPP chap from Clonbrook who dared to join the PNC in the 80's.

 

How more racist can a party be when it have to murder to keep the coolie in the PPP.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by kidmost:

I do not believe Granger is racist however , I have heard him make some pretty stupid remarks, which people can and have mis-interpreted. The politics in Guyana is race based, has been and still is so, lets not forget that making statements within that political framework leaves lots of room for such situations. I realize that many Guyanese are struggling with their own racism , including the generation born post Burnham and jagan era , and are trying their darnest to rid themselves of this demonic possession . I know they want to be fair and just but when a society is diseased by racism it takes generations to cure and lots of courage .

Where is KIDMOST these days?

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
============

 

TK rushes to defend his racist big brother Granger.

 


Yuji:

 

Folks like Tarron Khemraj(TK), Farouk Samaroo(Joker), Sasenarine Singh, Warrior, etc, etc are what you call in Guyana N*GGER INDIANS---they would bend over backwards to appease and satisfy the Grangers, the Trotmans and the Nigel Huhes of Guyana.

 

Who vex, vex!

 

Rev

OK REV, so what do you call Bharat?

FM
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