You are still a liar.

I have no regrets.

Since you want to compare nonsense,why do you expose your wife and her family to ridicule? How smart was that of you?

You are confused and stupid. Go read and comprehend what you wrote. Unlike you, I don't seek the path of least resistance.

Okay, guys, be honorable and avoid berating each other's wives.

Mits, step back.

As I mentioned in another thread a while back, most religions have three components --- philosophy, mythology, rituals.

In my case, I love the Hindu philosophy and enjoy its mythology, but I am not a fan of its rituals.

Just as Christianity has a spiritual and a historical Jesus, Hinduism has spiritual-mythical figures featured in two epic books --- Mahabharata and Ramayana.

Hindu mystics/teachers created these epics to convey complex abstract spiritual ideas in a form that the masses would understand.

The main characters in these epics were based mostly on historical figures but many actions attributed to them were myths.

It's worthwhile to bear this in mind when discussing certain personalities like Krishna, Rama, Hanuman, Ravana, etc.

As this is a Social Forum I won't go deep into Religion.

 

 

Again Gilbacka is verifying what I have been saying. Gilly says Hinduism is mostly based on myths and as Skeldon man and other 

s have been saying entire villages in Guyana are getting away from those myths.

 

 

Hai Ram! All this over a baby name!

Mitwah's assertion that my in-laws deserve to be ridiculed because they don't care for Hindu rituals shows how intolerant he is. And he had the nerve to accuse some of those PPP boys as being racist. I would guess that he is a closet racist but too much of a coward to admit it.

Yeah it all about Allan

Not so fast, Chief. Not so fast. It's the message enclosed in those myths that's important.

The problem in Guyana historically is that many pandits didn't have adequate training to communicate the message in its proper context. Also, most times pandits preach above the heads of devotees.

Even after I completed high school with a B pass in GCE 'O' Level English Language I had a problem understanding their radio sermons. Sometimes I wondered whether those pandits themselves understood the scripts they were reading on air. Long sentences, big words, abstract ideas, etc.

Compare that to a Christian preacher who tells his radio audience: "Jesus loves you. He shed his blood for you. Put your trust in him. Pray to Jesus. He will heal your sickness. He will never forsake you...." You get the idea?

Naturally, a listener would understand that message and internalize it.

 

Hinduism is more than myths. It is a profound systematic analysis of human thinking and asked some of the most fundamental questions that the greeks asked some 2000 years later.

 

As morality tales they second to none and in fact are more systematic than the bible or any other religious tome. It is a shame that in India's casteism insulated it from the world.

Hinduism is no easy read for most people and if the Pandit is not truly schooled in the philosophy there is room for him to quack lots of mumbo jumbo. Plus Hinduism is a vast array of schools from the atheistic janes and Buddhists to the Sikh, to Sanathan Dharm. 

And then you have the Qur'an which states that God has revealed it in stages so that it can be understood and remembered. Also the other verse which states that God has made it simple to follow.

the two traditions are completely different. They are not mere theolopgy but examinations and justification for what is. The koran is smaller than the New Testamet which one can sit and read in an afternoon. The Gita is just one of many and it is immemse in scope and... some 3 times longer. God may want simplicity but not simpletons. The Gita begins with glorious argumentation with differing sides to  arguments about a just war.  

And the Gita can be read at two levels --- literally and metaphysically.

The latter refers to the internal war within us, good vs evil, or selflessness vs selfishness.

There is NO mystery to God and His relationship to mankind. He made it very simple-but somehow the Muslims and Christians went and mystified it. Each trying to explain God and in the haste, all that is remaining is confusion.

 

The Torah simply states that God created the world and placed mankind to take care of it. God has more attributes than ever can be explained. Hinduism attempts to define the attributes.And in their confusion, they felt that the universe had to be managed by more than one Celestial Being. And so, they decided to parcel out responsibilty.

 

The Brahmo Samaj made attempts to correct the Brahmins. Unfortunately milleniums of unorthodoxed thinking was difficult to change.

 

I maintain. Enoch handed the Books down to Methuselah. The Hittites took it and by the time it took on the name of Hinduism-God was a mystery. People tried to find Him in all forms. He sent The Christ.

 

The Uppanishad has a very execellent line about God. 

Here is an excerpt of that glorious argumentation. Explain how this passage is so way ahead of any other scriptural writing. Then explain why Hindus criticize Muslims who refer to unbelievers as infidels when their book refers to those who don't surrender to Krishna as having impious souls. This passage also states that those who submit to Krishna have advance souls. On the other hand, the Qur'an states that whether you call yourself a Jew, Christian, Majian or Sabian, if you believe in God you will be rewarded.

 

Bhagavad Gita: Chapter 7

Here is the opening of the wonderful Gita;

 

Bhagavad Gita: Chapter 1

What is the objective of each scripture,Gita, Bible & Qur'an?

 I have no desire or inclination to explain to you why it is ahead or behind other scriptures. First, you are presuming that Hindu ultimate divinity is a personality or thing. It is not it is every life, everything, all things. The Mandukya Upanishad puts it this way. It is "incomprehensible, without qualities, beyond all thoughts, indescribable, the unified soul in essence, peaceful, auspicious, without duality" In short, we from it is not possible. You have to read more than one paragraph to get to the idea of god.

You are too steeped in the idea of a personal god and misses the fact that Arjuna was looking at an illusion.

All religion are inventions. Their existence is to satiate man's desire for something more than his mortal coil.  Some is to accept rituals and a creation myth without question. This is the mode of abrahamic religions. Hinduism on the other hand interrogates reality and offers contrasting viepoints and let the believerrationalize a course of action knowing fundamentally their soul jeva, is athma, is brahama since they are part of the one. The choice they make will bring them closer or take them farther from that truth. Obviously good choices shorten the unification process.

"Advanced souls" refers to persons who have reached an advanced stage of meditation, who concentrate on God most of the time.

"impious souls" [defective translation perhaps] refers to persons who have not practised meditation, who cannot control their thoughts, whose minds wander from one thought to another very quickly, who don't have God foremost in their thoughts.

The Gita, which is really a small section of the Mahabharata, is a guide for advancing along the spiritual path.

Remember, Krishna is just a human incarnation/avatar of God, just as God came down to earth in the human form of Jesus Christ.

Remember, too, that Hinduism recognizes many paths to God/spiritual life. This explains why India has been a home for Buddhists, Jains, Zoroastrans, Muslims, etc.

Those Hindus in India who are hostile to Muslims are ignoring and flouting the precepts of their religion --- sheer prejudice and bigotry.

The question was not about understanding Hinduism or if it superior or not to others. It was taking the passage above and demonstrating how this scripture is superior to others.

 

What use is the scripture in teaching what/who is God if it is incomprehensible.

 

Also, there are many more like this verse but there is no need to bore anyone with all of them. And who says that someone has to read more than one passage to get the idea of God? I can fully understand who God is from just one verse in the Qur'an. I don't buy this superior claim about Hindu teachings and rituals and obviously many Hindus aren't buying it either.

Arjuna can look at an illusion all he wants. It is all make believe. Religion as a whole is make believe. But when all religions are compared in the context of religion, Islam makes more sense and that is why more people gravitate to it.

I don't accept your explanation Gilly. The passage clearly states that those who submits to other objects of worship instead of Krishna have impious souls. It did not say souls still working toward a perfect soul. In a way, it is being bigoted by denying any not devoted to Krishna the same status as those devoted to Krishna. Sure Hindus like to say that there are many paths to God but deep down they don't really believe that. The passage above certainly don't support many paths to God. And lastly, I don't accept that Jesus is God in human form. Jesus didn't claim to be that either.

if u say so.

even Rawan went to brahama. All souls are just part of the fabric of the one. They all go the same way to unity or the one... Brahama

 

 

I don't know where you get the idea that Islam teaches Muslims to accept ritual and creation myths without questions. The Qur'an is filled with passages where God is telling the reader to look at things around them and contemplate their existence. There is a passage of Abraham questioning God and asking Him to show how He creates life and we have the example of the bird. Muslims have always debated their teachings. Hindus on the other hand are never equipped to debate/discuss the aspects of Hinduism and it is not because they don't care to. It is more that they don't understand it. Like you stated above, it is incomprehensible. What use is a book or system if it is incomprehensible?

It would be more accurate to replace the description "incomprehensible" with the phrase "not easily comprehensible."

I suspect that the brahmins wrote the scriptures that way so as to provide a reason or justification for their caste status, so as to create a demand for their services.

Brahmins think they are the smartest Hindus; ask the brahmin yuji.

They say Jesus is three people, he's God, Jesus and some kinda Jumby.

Islam like all religion is steeped in rituals from the declaration of faith to the processes of following that faith is ritualistic. The declaration of  faith is not investigative. It is as the saying goes "submission"

 

The Puranas are discussions,a sitting down with a "great man" to deliberate.

 

The ordinary Hindu cannot cover the vast scope of the religious literature no less than a physicist is capable of master in all aspects of the discipline. Even their sex manual  the Kama Sutra advises that one go to masters of the specific discipline to be instructed on the principles of the discipline.

 

However, the ordinary Hindu knows the basic ie that all is one and the object of the religion is a reunification of the soul with Brahma.

 

I never said Hinduism is incomprehensible. There is nothing easier than an acceptance that everything is a unity and that nothing exists that is independent.

 

What I said is that conceptualizing god is incomprehensible not that Hinduism is incomprehensible. It is not possible to describe the indescribable, that which is the subtotal of all there is.

 

 

You folks can go on discussing this religious theology. It matters not to me what you believe. I think religion to be bunk; religious prophets etc to be an assortment of   shysters and charlatans and con men or delusional madmen. Now this is my declaration of faith so....there

Utter nonsense.

Kaz

 

Of course Islam makes more sense to you...same as Christianity, Judism, Hinduism etc makes sense to their followers

Very good rayraff

I agree Ridfraff. Just as I did back in June 2005 when I first objected to some non-Muslim GNI posters who were putting down Islam and Muslims. My postings are all to refute others. I do not have any problem with what anyone chooses.

What is utter nonsense Sagga bai?