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ba$eman posted:

The private sector must hire all races just like we expect the Afro dominated GPF/GDF to serve and protect all races.  I like what my relatives are doing there.  Walk into their businesses, all races working reflecting the make-up of Guyana.  In fact, one of my relatives indicated that Blacks are loyal, much more than Indians!

Blacks were crowded at the bottom level during the PPP era. No doubt that might have changed as private companies no longer feel that they will be protected in their racism by the PPP.

The fact that the GDF/GPF remains majority black is a question that you ought to address to the PPP. Cheddi tried to get them to join. Was very upset when every now class of recruits had MORE Amerindians than East Indians.   You cannot take a horse and force him to drink. Most blacks don't want to plant rice and most Indians don't want to join the disciplined forces.

On the other hand most Guyanese do want office jobs and the opportunity to be promoted into management slots if they merit this.

FM
caribny posted:
VVP posted:

You cannot force a private company to hire anyone.

So then we will continue to have a race problem. The public sector CANNOT hire every one looking for employment, so if the private sector peddles racism then those who are discriminated against will resent those who are doing the discriminating.

You are NOT serious about wanting a solution to this problem if you do not insist that when the private sector hires people race should NOT be a consideration

Nobody should/could insist on who the private sector should hire, unless as D2 said, it's for a government contract.  

Top positions in the public sector should be filled with the best candidate regardless of race.  That's the basis for an inclusive government.  That is NOT happening under the PPP and coalition.  That where you have to start so all races could have a sense of belonging.

FM
VVP posted:
 

Nobody should/could insist on who the private sector should hire, unless as D2 said, it's for a government contract.  

 

So we need to stop talking about improving race relations in Guyana. Indians will hire Indians except for the low level jobs, and will promote Indians over blacks, based not on merit, but on ethnic affilations. Blacks will then continue to distrust Indians thinking that;

1.  the goal of Indians is to throw them on the bread line AND

2.  Indians are clannish and racialist.

If you think that your average Guyanese cares for more than what goes into their own pockets you are mistaken. Guyanese are like every one else. What interests them is what benefits them and if it doesn't benefit them they don't care. 

So if one side thinks that the other side wants to starve them then none of the political posturing will matter. It is clear that the public sector cannot cater to the employment needs of the entire population, nor should it.

FM
caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:

The private sector must hire all races just like we expect the Afro dominated GPF/GDF to serve and protect all races.  I like what my relatives are doing there.  Walk into their businesses, all races working reflecting the make-up of Guyana.  In fact, one of my relatives indicated that Blacks are loyal, much more than Indians!

Blacks were crowded at the bottom level during the PPP era. No doubt that might have changed as private companies no longer feel that they will be protected in their racism by the PPP.

The fact that the GDF/GPF remains majority black is a question that you ought to address to the PPP. Cheddi tried to get them to join. Was very upset when every now class of recruits had MORE Amerindians than East Indians.   You cannot take a horse and force him to drink. Most blacks don't want to plant rice and most Indians don't want to join the disciplined forces.

On the other hand most Guyanese do want office jobs and the opportunity to be promoted into management slots if they merit this.

As expected, not you have the "coolie" boogie man to point your little dirty fingers to regarding the Afro plight.  You also blamed Burnham for not "teaching" Blacks to compete with Indians.  You are a sorrowful excuse and even your own Afros would be ashamed at your concoctions.  Shameless man!!

FM
caribny posted:
VVP posted:
 

Nobody should/could insist on who the private sector should hire, unless as D2 said, it's for a government contract.  

 

So we need to stop talking about improving race relations in Guyana. Indians will hire Indians except for the low level jobs, and will promote Indians over blacks, based not on merit, but on ethnic affilations. Blacks will then continue to distrust Indians thinking that;

1.  the goal of Indians is to throw them on the bread line AND

2.  Indians are clannish and racialist.

If you think that your average Guyanese cares for more than what goes into their own pockets you are mistaken. Guyanese are like every one else. What interests them is what benefits them and if it doesn't benefit them they don't care. 

So if one side thinks that the other side wants to starve them then none of the political posturing will matter. It is clear that the public sector cannot cater to the employment needs of the entire population, nor should it.

You with your racist shit again.  Banna, you are hopeless, only biology can cure your mental shit disease!

FM
caribny posted:
seignet posted:
 

In the nineteen hundreds India endured alot famines, and always did. Suh, the Luckhoos thought of easing the deprivation of few by bringing them to BG. Today, it is called humanitarian. I doan think Indo domination was on their mind. Besides, back then, the buccra ran everything, who would believe back then they would relinquish control of the colony. The Indians were in servitude, the blacks were the teachers, nurses, and many other uppity jobs, the coloreds were the adminstrators of the colony and the Amerindians were in the bush.

Well it was and at the time the black/colored as well as the Indian elites were jockeying to end white domination of Guyana.  Rather than working with the black/coloreds the Indian elites wanted to turn British Guiana into an Indian colony.

Indenture was also ended around that time because it was NOT a humanitarian system.

This type of bull sh-t thinking is at the foundation of racist hate against koolie by some. But I would not the carib with the bunch.

 

Prashad
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Prashad posted:
caribny posted:
seignet posted:
 

In the nineteen hundreds India endured alot famines, and always did. Suh, the Luckhoos thought of easing the deprivation of few by bringing them to BG. Today, it is called humanitarian. I doan think Indo domination was on their mind. Besides, back then, the buccra ran everything, who would believe back then they would relinquish control of the colony. The Indians were in servitude, the blacks were the teachers, nurses, and many other uppity jobs, the coloreds were the adminstrators of the colony and the Amerindians were in the bush.

Well it was and at the time the black/colored as well as the Indian elites were jockeying to end white domination of Guyana.  Rather than working with the black/coloreds the Indian elites wanted to turn British Guiana into an Indian colony.

Indenture was also ended around that time because it was NOT a humanitarian system.

This type of bull sh-t thinking is at the foundation of racist hate against koolie by some. But I would not the carib with the bunch.

 

I have to agree. The PNC apologist Carib spews a great deal of Indo hate at GNI. He has a crowd sheering him on. We must stand up and defend against his blatant racism.

FM
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ba$eman posted:
caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:

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As expected, not you have the "coolie" boogie man to point your little dirty fingers to regarding the Afro plight.  You also blamed Burnham for not "teaching" Blacks to compete with Indians.  You are a sorrowful excuse and even your own Afros would be ashamed at your concoctions.  Shameless man!!

I find it interesting that a Guyanese Indian will be very opposed to racism directed against him  at his job in North America but sees nothing wrong with it in Guyana, provided that its blacks who suffer.

Now as to Burnham. Yes Indians have proven themselves to be clannish. The first thing that former slaves did was to attempt to be economically dependent by establishing farming communities and small businesses.  the colonial authorities, fearing that an economically dynamic black population would be a threat to their dominance, set out to destroy these activities. 

The result being a people who were afraid of risk and dependent on the state, or on others for employment.  If Burnham really cared for his base he would have address this problem.  Instead he FURTHER undermined black economic independence and so when the PPP took over blacks were marginalized.

We see people hear advocating that businesses should hire they wish, engaging in discrimination if that is their desire.  This isn't a shock as it is known that Indians are ethnocentric, and seem unable to function within multi ethnic communities.

 

FM
Prashad posted:
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This type of bull sh-t thinking is at the foundation of racist hate against koolie by some. But I would not the carib with the bunch.

 

This is interesting.  A bunch of immigrants enter a society. They want to encourage other immigrants in so that they can out number the local population, in order to COMPLETELY DOMINATE.

According to you any one objecting to this is "anti koolie". 

Now a reasonable person would have suggested that this immigrant community, once it had decided to remain in Guyana, would instead focus on cooperating with the majority of the local population who also faced oppression by a colonial minority. That way BOTH groups would benefit.

But instead you advocate support for this immigrant group sweeping aside the local group and attempting to seize power for itself.  You see this is why people don't trust Indians.   This mentality is quite pervasive and Indians refuse to debate as to why others have the opinions of them that they do.

FM
ba$eman posted:
caribny posted:
VVP posted:
 

Nobody should/could insist on who the private sector should hire, unless as D2 said, it's for a government contract.  

 

So we need to stop talking about improving race relations in Guyana. Indians will hire Indians except for the low level jobs, and will promote Indians over blacks, based not on merit, but on ethnic affilations. Blacks will then continue to distrust Indians thinking that;

1.  the goal of Indians is to throw them on the bread line AND

2.  Indians are clannish and racialist.

If you think that your average Guyanese cares for more than what goes into their own pockets you are mistaken. Guyanese are like every one else. What interests them is what benefits them and if it doesn't benefit them they don't care. 

So if one side thinks that the other side wants to starve them then none of the political posturing will matter. It is clear that the public sector cannot cater to the employment needs of the entire population, nor should it.

You with your racist shit again.  Banna, you are hopeless, only biology can cure your mental shit disease!

Again another advocate for Indians who have the power to hire only hiring other Indians and excluding others. When this is exposed then you scream RACE!

Might it not have been better for you to suggest that if indeed Indians who have the power to hire do so on the basis of race instead of merit should cease doing so!

No instead you join the brigade of those who say that people can hire who they want, with the implication that if they hire based on race there is NOTHING wrong with that!

And then you have the balls to wonder why we have a race problem in Guyana!

FM
caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
 

I find it interesting that a Guyanese Indian will be very opposed to racism directed against him  at his job in North America but sees nothing wrong with it in Guyana, provided that its blacks who suffer.

Now as to Burnham. Yes Indians have proven themselves to be clannish. The first thing that former slaves did was to attempt to be economically dependent by establishing farming communities and small businesses.  the colonial authorities, fearing that an economically dynamic black population would be a threat to their dominance, set out to destroy these activities. 

The result being a people who were afraid of risk and dependent on the state, or on others for employment.  If Burnham really cared for his base he would have address this problem.  Instead he FURTHER undermined black economic independence and so when the PPP took over blacks were marginalized.

We see people hear advocating that businesses should hire they wish, engaging in discrimination if that is their desire.  This isn't a shock as it is known that Indians are ethnocentric, and seem unable to function within multi ethnic communities.

 

Indians are clannish because they don't trust blacks the same way blacks don't trust Indians. You do not want to face the truth.
Burnham gave his base, the blacks every chance to better themselves at the expense of the Indians. The blacks then, believed that they, the PNC would rule for life and they can continue to depend on the entitlements which the PNC gave them. As you can see the Indians were not discouraged but took their punishment without crying marginalization.SO WHEN THE PPP TOOK OVER AND THE BLACKS HAD TO WORK FOR A LIVING, THEY SQUEAL MARGINALIZATION. There is no substitution for hard work.

FM
VVP posted:

Caribny,

Answer these questions:

How many people are employed by:

1) Public sector/government?

2) Private sector?

3) Indian owned businesses?

For each give a breakdown of % by race.

If you cannot get official numbers what would be your guess?

 

Public sector employment, including the army is not even 20k people. Clearly even if  it was 100% black it isn't enough to hire every black person.  And clearly it isn't only blacks who work there.

So clearly the majority will need to find work within the private sector, which you know is disproportionately Indian owned.  That isn't the issue.   It is clear why its disproportionately Indian owned as a cursory examination of Guyanese history will indicate why.  Its the same reason why most public servants have been black since 1880.

The concern arises when an Indian owner or an Indian HR person hires on the basis  of race.  Its the perception of most blacks that the answer is that they do, especially for more desirable jobs. 

I already wrote of an Indian HR man in a Trinidadian owned company hiring 30 people, only 5 being black.  In G/T I will find it hard to believe that such a low % of blacks makes sense and clearly some bias is there. New Building Society some time ago not one black was in a management slot.  And others can find other examples.  I have heard complaints even about DDL where they claim that Indians get clear preference for promotions.

You want to know what solves the racial problem. Well if blacks feel that Indians discriminate against them and engage in clannish behavior then they may well behave in manners that Indians consider to be hostile.

Now if you don't want to deal with this perception then don't bother to query about how we can deal with our race situation. 

If you think that Keith Smith or Jennifer Williams cares about the constitution you are crazy. What they care about is whether they will be treated fairly by the public AND private sectors in terms of jobs or supply contracts.  If they think that Indians are favoring other Indians then they will resent Indians.

 

Indian business derive profits from operating within multi ethnic Guyana.  It isn't just Indians who generate money for these business owners.  So they cannot then feel that they can only hire Indians for the better jobs, or only source contracts with other Indians.

Guyana is a multi ethnic nation so there is no room for little tribal fiefdoms!

FM
skeldon_man posted:
 

Indians are clannish because they don't trust blacks the same way blacks don't trust Indians.

If you think that Burnham gave his base every opportunity to then you consider Burnham a great man.  I am at a loss to understand how promoting incompetent soup lickers instead of rewarding enterprise can be seen as helping his base.  Colonial actions which destroyed black enterprise and reduced them to being dependent on others for work aren't rectified by making them even MORE dependent on the state, which Burnham did, when he promoted socialism instead of black capitalism.

Burnham was no more interested in a class of independent blacks emerging than were the white colonialists and planters. Like them he wanted blacks to remain dependent.

Any way it appears as if those who pretend that they wish the racial problem to end merely pretend.  Just understand that the Indian population is dwindling and that the vast majority of mixed people do NOT vote PPP. In fact its this mixed vote that delivered APNU/AFC 2 years ago. 

And don't squeal about douglas. In Trinidad where Afro vs. Indo hostilities are less and more douglas exist 2/3 of the mixed identified aren't dougla. When I see that most of the most people in Guyana are in Region 4 or in the interior I come to the conclusion that douglas will account for even a smaller % of the population in Guyana.

So continue to think that Indians can benefit within a racially divided nation.

Feel free to continue your "black man lazy" screams as well.

FM
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caribny posted:
VVP posted:

Caribny,

Answer these questions:

How many people are employed by:

1) Public sector/government?

2) Private sector?

3) Indian owned businesses?

For each give a breakdown of % by race.

If you cannot get official numbers what would be your guess?

 

Public sector employment, including the army is not even 20k people. Clearly even if  it was 100% black it isn't enough to hire every black person.  And clearly it isn't only blacks who work there.

 

So the salary and other benefits of this 20K is $161 billion per the budget?  I think you got the 20k from your backside.

I will read your other stuff later.

FM
VVP posted:

This was in 2000

Under the PPP it was exposed that almost none of those running the public corporations were black.  When asked to explain why almost all were headed by Indians Luncheon couldn't answer.  

Why don't you answer.

My 20k referred to those working in the ministries and in the social services.  Regional administration varies as this isn't all under the control of the central gov't.  Are the regions controlled by the PPP to be included in what is going on now?  Or did G/T City Council not have the ability to hire under the PPP regime?

So the 20k refers to the ministries and to the disciplined and social services.

So let us discuss those who you mention. Are you suggesting that all of those mega buildings that we see sprouting all over G/T are owned by these FEW corporations?  Please don't tell me that you think that "Singh's Roti shop" and "Persaud's Grocery" has a need to erect all of those huge structures.  Continue and I will have to believe the tale that these are all owned by drug dealers.

Now the example I gave of an Indian manager hiring only 5 blacks out of a total 30 hires was AINLIM. Not Indian owned but the person doing the hiring was an Indian.  Given that the G/T area is less than 30% Indian I can only wonder how he can hire a batch of workers 80% being Indian.

At the end of the day you really don't want a discussion of the race problem in Guyana. But that is OK.  Guyana will continue to be plagued by ethnic distrust and insecurity and we will continue to be the laughing stock of the rest of the Caribbean. So bad that after the earthquake when Jagdeo offered to take in a few Haitians they screamed loudly "NO".  I guess going to the country only one step up from them didn't make sense when The Bahamas is just next door.

FM
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Prashad posted:

Don't worry with the carib. The carib knows fully well that his behind is going to get some serious licks in the future when the Anti-koolie squad catch him.  They know fully well what he said about Burnham and they don't like it.

This is interesting. Caribj is a "racist" yet he has reason to fear the racist anti Indian element of the PNC.

The Indo KKK is so confused.  They seem to be angry that I insist that Burnham destroyed blacks. They insist that Burnham was a great man who at least did good for 40% of the population, but yet the SAME folks rant about "white mouth" and how blacks suffered under him.

FM
Prashad posted:
warrior posted:

GNI can start bu banning some of these racists we have on this site then again if you ban them i will miss a good laugh 

I have been called an Indian racist here but no one can point their fingers and show where I was racist.

You want to destroy Guyana by racial segregation

A
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antabanta posted:

So.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

Institute Prashad's plan.

warrior posted:

GNI can start bu banning some of these racists we have on this site then again if you ban them i will miss a good laugh 

You r@ss smart. You hit on weekend nights and hide during the day. Looks like you stole some farmer's cow from the farm in Canada and end up in the slammer. How long more you got?

FM
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
warrior posted:

GNI can start bu banning some of these racists we have on this site then again if you ban them i will miss a good laugh 

I have been called an Indian racist here but no one can point their fingers and show where I was racist.

You want to destroy Guyana by racial segregation

Which bs segregation. I want an independent sovereign country for East Indian Guyanese, douglas who embrace their East Indian Guyanese heritage and allies of the Guyanese East Indian people so as to prevent racism and segregation.

 

Prashad
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
warrior posted:

GNI can start bu banning some of these racists we have on this site then again if you ban them i will miss a good laugh 

I have been called an Indian racist here but no one can point their fingers and show where I was racist.

You want to destroy Guyana by racial segregation

Which bs segregation. I want an independent sovereign country for East Indian Guyanese, douglas who embrace their East Indian Guyanese heritage and allies of the Guyanese East Indian people so as to prevent racism and segregation.

 

Dude..stop with the nonsense. Segregation means to take apart. So your answer to stop racial segregation is to have Indians separated from other races...hmmm Come in kp.

cain
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:

So.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

Institute Prashad's plan.

warrior posted:

GNI can start bu banning some of these racists we have on this site then again if you ban them i will miss a good laugh 

You r@ss smart. You hit on weekend nights and hide during the day. Looks like you stole some farmer's cow from the farm in Canada and end up in the slammer. How long more you got?

Who are you addressing?

The question stands.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

A
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
warrior posted:

GNI can start bu banning some of these racists we have on this site then again if you ban them i will miss a good laugh 

I have been called an Indian racist here but no one can point their fingers and show where I was racist.

You want to destroy Guyana by racial segregation

Which bs segregation. I want an independent sovereign country for East Indian Guyanese, douglas who embrace their East Indian Guyanese heritage and allies of the Guyanese East Indian people so as to prevent racism and segregation.

 

So what you're saying is you don't know what you're talking about. Amazing.

A
antabanta posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:

So.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

Institute Prashad's plan.

warrior posted:

GNI can start bu banning some of these racists we have on this site then again if you ban them i will miss a good laugh 

You r@ss smart. You hit on weekend nights and hide during the day. Looks like you stole some farmer's cow from the farm in Canada and end up in the slammer. How long more you got?

Who are you addressing?

The question stands.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

You floggin' a dead horse. Move on!!!

FM
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:
 

Who are you addressing?

The question stands.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

You floggin' a dead horse. Move on!!!

Yuh gat all that big mouth and don't have an answer,

all this time you a wan rabble rouser.

I lived in Guyana for 21 years. When my mother was still alive, I visited frequently. Lemme tell alyu uptown peeple: Wah rain cyan full; dew nah guh full. There will be an end to racial problems when I become president for life and make some important and unpopular decisions.

You post a ton of articles here(cut and paste), morally and financially support a dictatorial installed regime, spread their lies and propaganda, you are being called a slop can carrier and take a severe whipping on a daily basis AND YET you in all the yeas of living in Guyana and here, you cannot, along with all of the Guyanese population, offer a iota of a suggestion on how to JUST IMPROVE the racial situation. WHATEVER HAPPEN TO YOUR PEOPLE "SOCIAL COHESION PROGRAM"? You think this might help? No word on any progress or the "free loader" collecting a paycheck at the taxpayers' expense? 

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:
 

Who are you addressing?

The question stands.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

You floggin' a dead horse. Move on!!!

Yuh gat all that big mouth and don't have an answer,

all this time you a wan rabble rouser.

I lived in Guyana for 21 years. When my mother was still alive, I visited frequently. Lemme tell alyu uptown peeple: Wah rain cyan full; dew nah guh full. There will be an end to racial problems when I become president for life and make some important and unpopular decisions.

You post a ton of articles here(cut and paste), morally and financially support a dictatorial installed regime, spread their lies and propaganda, you are being called a slop can carrier and take a severe whipping on a daily basis AND YET you in all the yeas of living in Guyana and here, you cannot, along with all of the Guyanese population, offer a iota of a suggestion on how to JUST IMPROVE the racial situation. WHATEVER HAPPEN TO YOUR PEOPLE "SOCIAL COHESION PROGRAM"? You think this might help? No word on any progress or the "free loader" collecting a paycheck at the taxpayers' expense? 

Sorry pal you have it all wrong again,can't blame you if that is the way you perceived it to be,deep within me i know what i am,no name calling can tarnish my integrity.

For starters.

The first the people have to acknowledge "Respect each other existence" in the human world no one is greater than each other.

Django
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
warrior posted:

GNI can start bu banning some of these racists we have on this site then again if you ban them i will miss a good laugh 

I have been called an Indian racist here but no one can point their fingers and show where I was racist.

You want to destroy Guyana by racial segregation

Which bs segregation. I want an independent sovereign country for East Indian Guyanese, douglas who embrace their East Indian Guyanese heritage and allies of the Guyanese East Indian people so as to prevent racism and segregation.

 

So what you're saying is you don't know what you're talking about. Amazing.

Guyana is a heart beat away from an ethnic genocide. When it happens don't say Prashad did not do anything to prevent it.

 

Prashad
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:
 

Who are you addressing?

The question stands.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

You floggin' a dead horse. Move on!!!

Yuh gat all that big mouth and don't have an answer,

all this time you a wan rabble rouser.

I lived in Guyana for 21 years. When my mother was still alive, I visited frequently. Lemme tell alyu uptown peeple: Wah rain cyan full; dew nah guh full. There will be an end to racial problems when I become president for life and make some important and unpopular decisions.

You post a ton of articles here(cut and paste), morally and financially support a dictatorial installed regime, spread their lies and propaganda, you are being called a slop can carrier and take a severe whipping on a daily basis AND YET you in all the yeas of living in Guyana and here, you cannot, along with all of the Guyanese population, offer a iota of a suggestion on how to JUST IMPROVE the racial situation. WHATEVER HAPPEN TO YOUR PEOPLE "SOCIAL COHESION PROGRAM"? You think this might help? No word on any progress or the "free loader" collecting a paycheck at the taxpayers' expense? 

 

The first the people have to acknowledge "Respect each other existence" in the human world no one is greater than each other.

I agree that everyone must respect each others existence but this RACIST PNC administration thinks that Indos must not exist Guyana and as such portrays them as Thieves and Drug Dealers.

Carib racist posts are a reflection of that level of racism.

The lives of Indos have disintegrated since this racist PNC administration took office from humiliating them, to destroying their livelihood to blatant discrimination from people like Harmon.

The rush to close down sugar estates to destroy Indos economically is a classic example of PNC racism.

FM
ba$eman posted:

Caribj, are you happy with the PNC? 

Review my comments about the PNC, both in its Burnham form and as APNU. 

The PPP was a racist government which marginalized Guyanese.  This is why record numbers of blacks and mixed voters got rid of them in 2015.

No group has a right to discriminate against another group, whether its Indians in Guyana towards blacks or whether its the Brahmin in India who discriminate against your relatives who live in the dusty impoverished villages of Uttar Pradesh.

As to your arrogant questioning as to whether blacks were better off under the PPP than they were under Burnham. Now suppose I told you that Indians in Guyana had no business screaming against Burnham because in 1980 there were CONSIDERABLY BETTER OFF than were their distant relatives back in India. Knowing full well that most Guyanese Indians originated from the lower castes.   You would scream murder.

FM
Prashad posted:
 

Guyana is a heart beat away from an ethnic genocide.

How so? Right now the biggest rage is what PNC supporters feel towards their leadership who they now see as being as bad as the PPP.

So describe a scenario where there will be ethnic genocide.

You see if Indians weren't so fundamentally clannish this would exactly be the time to end the hegemonic control that the PNC exerts over blacks. Get some one like Nigel Hughes, who enjoys huge popularity among the grass roots blacks. In fact MORE than Granger or Harmon do. Then put him as the PPP presidential candidate.

But being the fundamental racist that you are you cannot see the PPP as anything other than an Indian party.

FM
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:

The rush to close down sugar estates to destroy Indos economically is a classic example of PNC racism.

That depends on what kind of magnifying glasses are used.

There were the boasts that Indians are so "hard working" that they don't need sugar and will find something to do.  This when the PPP was in power and the possibility of a collapse of Guysuco was quite likely.

I see a different song is now being sung.

FM
caribny posted:
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:

The rush to close down sugar estates to destroy Indos economically is a classic example of PNC racism.

That depends on what kind of magnifying glasses are used.

There were the boasts that Indians are so "hard working" that they don't need sugar and will find something to do.  This when the PPP was in power and the possibility of a collapse of Guysuco was quite likely.

I see a different song is now being sung.

Indians will survive and thrive, you can rest assure.  That does not mean they roll over and let it be.  Your fat boy and the PNC club tried his utmost to starve out and beat Indians into submission...and he lost.  He lost despite a weak PPP leader, the economic power of the Nationalized industries and the CIA.

Today you have Bharat "Jackal" Jagdeo leading the PPP, no independent economic power and a US which will be more hands-off even with oil.

FM
ba$eman posted:
caribny posted:
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:

The rush to close down sugar estates to destroy Indos economically is a classic example of PNC racism.

That depends on what kind of magnifying glasses are used.

There were the boasts that Indians are so "hard working" that they don't need sugar and will find something to do.  This when the PPP was in power and the possibility of a collapse of Guysuco was quite likely.

I see a different song is now being sung.

Indians will survive and thrive, you can rest assure.  That does not mean they roll over and let it be.  Your fat boy and the PNC club tried his utmost to starve out and beat Indians into submission...and he lost.  He lost despite a weak PPP leader, the economic power of the Nationalized industries and the CIA.

Today you have Bharat "Jackal" Jagdeo leading the PPP, no independent economic power and a US which will be more hands-off even with oil.

I have to agree that Jagan was weak and provided critical support to Burnham. His son Joey turned out to become Guyana's biggest JACKASS.

Nadira is no different, she joined with Joey and attempted to destroy their parents party. They are now both silent with massive corruption and endorsing AFC/PNC FAT Pigs who are destroying Guyana.

The PPP now has to chart a new course with Jagdeo playing a critical role in that new course. In the absence of a strong PPP leader, Jagdeo can stand toe to toe with the PNC which has a history of violence and intimidation.

Jagdeo is the only leader who drives fear into the hearts of the PNC. He gave the PNC thugs quite a trashing with Brother Gaj as his arm.

FM
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yuji22 posted:
ba$eman posted:
caribny posted:
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:

The rush to close down sugar estates to destroy Indos economically is a classic example of PNC racism.

That depends on what kind of magnifying glasses are used.

There were the boasts that Indians are so "hard working" that they don't need sugar and will find something to do.  This when the PPP was in power and the possibility of a collapse of Guysuco was quite likely.

I see a different song is now being sung.

Indians will survive and thrive, you can rest assure.  That does not mean they roll over and let it be.  Your fat boy and the PNC club tried his utmost to starve out and beat Indians into submission...and he lost.  He lost despite a weak PPP leader, the economic power of the Nationalized industries and the CIA.

Today you have Bharat "Jackal" Jagdeo leading the PPP, no independent economic power and a US which will be more hands-off even with oil.

I have to agree that Jagan was weak and provided critical support to Burnham. His son Joey turned out to become Guyana's biggest JACKASS.

Nadira is no different, she joined with Joey and attempted to destroy their parents party. They are now both silent with massive corruption and endorsing AFC/PNC FAT Pigs who are destroying Guyana.

The PPP now has to chart a new course with Jagdeo playing a critical role in that new course. In the absence of a strong PPP leader, Jagdeo can stand toe to toe with the PNC which has a history of violence and intimidation.

Jagdeo is the only leader who drives fear into the hearts of the PNC. He gave the PNC thugs quite a trashing with Brother Gaj as his arm.

President Jagdeo shows stateman like qualities.

Prashad
ba$eman posted:
cain posted:

I like how u fellas lovr to mention Jagdeo and Gajraj as thrashing PNC peeps..in other words "kill" yet when this subject comes up and mention is made of extra judical killings by PPP yall does argue strong is a lie.

Who ever talking about that.  Baseman talking leader of the opposition!

Was in response to yugi's post right above mine.

cain
ba$eman posted:
 

Indians will survive and thrive, you can rest assure.  oil.

So all the gov't should do is to downsize Guysuco to minimize losses.  In fact the EU has already told the Caribbean that there will no longer be markets for their sugar in the EU. With the UK leaving we have lost our main advocate within the EU. 

Based on your boasts Indians will not suffer so there will be no humanitarian consequences and Jagdeo is only making himself a jackass by screaming "black man a kill ahbe".

FM
yuji22 posted:
 

Jagdeo is the only leader who drives fear into the hearts of the PNC.

Hmmm.  How can the PNC fear Jagdeo when he did not arrest a single PNC leader during the violence which he blamed on the PNC.

In fact Harmon and Jagdeo are good friends, hence the reason why the gravy train to the oligarchs continues and the PNC base feel betrayed. 

It will not surprise me if the Jagdeo "arrest" was recently orchestrated to make Jagdeo a hero among his base.  Just as Corbin and Jagdeo had their own private deal going on, and Jagdeo became very angered when it appeared as if the PNC would drop him as its leader.

I can assure you that APNU would rather Jagdeo leading the PPP then a new and intelligent person not tainted by the stench of corruption.

The PNC old men have no care about what happens after 2020 as by then they would have stolen enough. Jagdeo has schooled Harmon quite well in the art of stealing.

By the way the ex Phantoms are now reigning havoc and you will claim that they target Indians exclusively.

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:

So.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

Institute Prashad's plan.

warrior posted:

GNI can start bu banning some of these racists we have on this site then again if you ban them i will miss a good laugh 

You r@ss smart. You hit on weekend nights and hide during the day. Looks like you stole some farmer's cow from the farm in Canada and end up in the slammer. How long more you got?

Who are you addressing?

The question stands.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

You floggin' a dead horse. Move on!!!

so you don't know who you were addressing and you don't have a response. It is you who has to move on.

A
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skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:
 

Who are you addressing?

The question stands.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

You floggin' a dead horse. Move on!!!

Yuh gat all that big mouth and don't have an answer,

all this time you a wan rabble rouser.

I lived in Guyana for 21 years. When my mother was still alive, I visited frequently. Lemme tell alyu uptown peeple: Wah rain cyan full; dew nah guh full. There will be an end to racial problems when I become president for life and make some important and unpopular decisions.

You post a ton of articles here(cut and paste), morally and financially support a dictatorial installed regime, spread their lies and propaganda, you are being called a slop can carrier and take a severe whipping on a daily basis AND YET you in all the yeas of living in Guyana and here, you cannot, along with all of the Guyanese population, offer a iota of a suggestion on how to JUST IMPROVE the racial situation. WHATEVER HAPPEN TO YOUR PEOPLE "SOCIAL COHESION PROGRAM"? You think this might help? No word on any progress or the "free loader" collecting a paycheck at the taxpayers' expense? 

Bkah blah blah.....and you still have no response to the question 

A
caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
 

Indians will survive and thrive, you can rest assure.  oil.

So all the gov't should do is to downsize Guysuco to minimize losses.  In fact the EU has already told the Caribbean that there will no longer be markets for their sugar in the EU. With the UK leaving we have lost our main advocate within the EU. 

Based on your boasts Indians will not suffer so there will be no humanitarian consequences and Jagdeo is only making himself a jackass by screaming "black man a kill ahbe".

I never hear BJ lamented Black man a kill ahbe", he took the bull by the horns and alyuh run to Charles Rangal and the hedgehog!

FM
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
antabanta posted:
Prashad posted:
warrior posted:

GNI can start bu banning some of these racists we have on this site then again if you ban them i will miss a good laugh 

I have been called an Indian racist here but no one can point their fingers and show where I was racist.

You want to destroy Guyana by racial segregation

Which bs segregation. I want an independent sovereign country for East Indian Guyanese, douglas who embrace their East Indian Guyanese heritage and allies of the Guyanese East Indian people so as to prevent racism and segregation.

 

So what you're saying is you don't know what you're talking about. Amazing.

Guyana is a heart beat away from an ethnic genocide. When it happens don't say Prashad did not do anything to prevent it.

 

We will have no choice but to say exactly that. Racial segregation is not a solution.

A
yuji22 posted:

I agree that everyone must respect each others existence but this RACIST PNC administration thinks that Indos must not exist Guyana and as such portrays them as Thieves and Drug Dealers.

Carib racist posts are a reflection of that level of racism.

The lives of Indos have disintegrated since this racist PNC administration took office from humiliating them, to destroying their livelihood to blatant discrimination from people like Harmon.

The rush to close down sugar estates to destroy Indos economically is a classic example of PNC racism.

The PNC is not portraying any such thing about Indos..... the whole of Guyana knows that the PPP is made up of thieves and drug dealers. But of course you have to push this propaganda to use your ethnic brothers and sisters to attain your own end, and no matter what, you are the kind of person who will never see that this exploitation and manipulation of the emotions of your own people makes you an evil to be stamped out.

How ignorant are you to not recognize the death of cane sugar? Perhaps you do, and it's just another factor to use to exploit the emotions of your people to gain their support.

A
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antabanta posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:
 

Who are you addressing?

The question stands.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

You floggin' a dead horse. Move on!!!

Yuh gat all that big mouth and don't have an answer,

all this time you a wan rabble rouser.

I lived in Guyana for 21 years. When my mother was still alive, I visited frequently. Lemme tell alyu uptown peeple: Wah rain cyan full; dew nah guh full. There will be an end to racial problems when I become president for life and make some important and unpopular decisions.

You post a ton of articles here(cut and paste), morally and financially support a dictatorial installed regime, spread their lies and propaganda, you are being called a slop can carrier and take a severe whipping on a daily basis AND YET you in all the yeas of living in Guyana and here, you cannot, along with all of the Guyanese population, offer a iota of a suggestion on how to JUST IMPROVE the racial situation. WHATEVER HAPPEN TO YOUR PEOPLE "SOCIAL COHESION PROGRAM"? You think this might help? No word on any progress or the "free loader" collecting a paycheck at the taxpayers' expense? 

Bkah blah blah.....and you still have no response to the question 

Do you Mr. PNC Knowall have any concrete workable notion how to curb racism in Guyana? When you do, then you can criticize other posters. Your notion to end racism in Guyana is to have all coolies deported back to India or starve them to death or commit suicide. You would love to see Guyana be renamed PNC Mozambique. Typical chachundar lungeera nonsense.

FM
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I have been following this thread but have not made a contribution because it ends up in rants, blame,  statements, points made umpteen tiles, useless arguments from a bunch of posters who, the vast majority of them live abroad, mouthing and regurgitating  the same tired old hogwash they have been fed. Also, I often do not have the time to really really continue to argue in a thread to its conclusion. Here is my take for what it is worth.

1. We look at the world through cognitive structures and lens that are a product of our genetics, education, experiences, socialization, etc. We tend to generallly "hear" or see those tgings that it within that structure. The others just get lost as noice. That is why two can look at the same event and get two different interpretations which result two different narratives. For example, Indo Guyanese supporting an Indian cricket team in Guyana are criticized as being clannish while it seems ok for Afro Guyanese to support the West Indian team in England, or  some arguing that those shot protesting against hikes in electricity fees by police deserve it while others define it as oppression, brutality, unjustified.

2. Since the importation of labour after the abolition of slavery, the ruling class have devised a strategy of divide and rule as part of their hegemonic agenda. This applied not only with regards to East Indians and formerslaves and their descendants, but with those West Indians and Africans imported here to supply labour to estates under contract, and even to Portuguese who to this day are not regarded as "whites" this strategy was used and continue to be used to divide the working people whose interests are similar. We have been duped, but we have accepted meekly the roles and definitions they have for us in their hegemonic agenda. Our arguments now are primarily race based instead of class based.

3. All of the groups in Guyana have seen themselves "wronged" by at least one of the other groups. The resulting narratives, regardless of whether there is a "factual" basis or not, are passed down to children, grandchildren, by "authors" and "intellectuals"  and concreticize in people's consciousness and lives and in their cognitive structure.

there is more, but ttime does not permit. Also. I recognize that what I write here is from my cognitive structure and lens. The 

As to the question. 

1. It will not happen in my generation.

2. The laws and institutions that are put in place to ensure this heterogeneous society functions to the benefit of all groups need to be rethought and given substance instead of the shell thhat now exist.

3. We have to recognize that to treat the disparate equally results in greater disparity. Our political. Economic and social practices have to be changed.

4. We have to respect and protect the rights of each group to practice and strength  their culture. We need to see this as lending to the strength of our country and not as a weakness.

5. Politicians need to be punished for race based politics.

6. Government programs that promote contrived interaction are not the way to approach the issue.

7. Stop putting hurt on hurt. Deal with the issue concrete as it arises instead of allowing it to become the base of more hurts. 

And I can go on and on. 

 

 

Z
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:
 

Who are you addressing?

The question stands.... how can Guyana end its racial problem?

You floggin' a dead horse. Move on!!!

Yuh gat all that big mouth and don't have an answer,

all this time you a wan rabble rouser.

I lived in Guyana for 21 years. When my mother was still alive, I visited frequently. Lemme tell alyu uptown peeple: Wah rain cyan full; dew nah guh full. There will be an end to racial problems when I become president for life and make some important and unpopular decisions.

You post a ton of articles here(cut and paste), morally and financially support a dictatorial installed regime, spread their lies and propaganda, you are being called a slop can carrier and take a severe whipping on a daily basis AND YET you in all the yeas of living in Guyana and here, you cannot, along with all of the Guyanese population, offer a iota of a suggestion on how to JUST IMPROVE the racial situation. WHATEVER HAPPEN TO YOUR PEOPLE "SOCIAL COHESION PROGRAM"? You think this might help? No word on any progress or the "free loader" collecting a paycheck at the taxpayers' expense? 

Bkah blah blah.....and you still have no response to the question 

Do you Mr. PNC Knowall have any concrete workable notion how to curb racism in Guyana? When you do, then you can criticize other posters. Your notion to end racism in Guyana is to have all coolies deported back to India or starve them to death or commit suicide. You would love to see Guyana be renamed PNC Mozambique. Typical chachundar lungeera nonsense.

Are you dense? Is it my political affiliation that prevents you from offering a sensible and relevant response? I asked the question because it is the title of the post and is yet to be addressed in an objective manner.

For your information, I am not now, nor have I ever been a PNC supporter. In addition I am a former member of the PYO, although not for long after I realized it was nothing but an impotent organization comprised of racist bigots.

A
Zed posted:

Indo Guyanese supporting an Indian cricket team in Guyana are criticized as being clannish while it seems ok for Afro Guyanese to support the West Indian team in England

 

What's the analogy between Indos supporting an Indian team and Afros supporting a West Indian team, which Guyana is a part of?

Regardless of through what cognitive lens you view the world, it is still wrong to cause physical, emotional, or spiritual harm to someone. It's not easy to end the racial problem but it's easy for individuals to start on the process. A few things we can do are see people, not race; condemn politicians and leaders for their actions, not their race; stop making your children racists before they even leave home; react to racism as objectively as you can.

A

An individual can support any sports team of his or her choice regardless of what country his favourite players originate from.

I currently support India and Australia. It is my bloody choice, no one should tell me what team to like or support.

West Indies team is managed by a bunch of Idiots, why should anyone support a bunch of idiots ? I will be willing to support them whenever these clowns are removed. Plain and simple.

The PNC should have a big Carnival with the WI team management, they are both clueless and their achievements are reflected with similar management styles.

FM
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In America I have noticed that I put up a different persona to judge blacks and this may be false due to fear of blacks and this is a conspiracy that the whites and especially the Jews are involved in. I don't think the American likes the behavior of people that reflect the Indian from India like when you are loud and disturbing others where I live they would say shut up even though they are being themselves. Yeah; they want to f%%%k the Indian personality as a preparation for an attack against them if they were here in America just wanting to be themselves. The white man society is not working for Indians and this is deliberate. They can use their intelligence to justify their behavior in social situations but this is concocted--check your instincts when they talk in your surroundings. Note how sure these idiots sound about themselves and reality as being believable. This is a silent war the Indians have to fight with them daily and it is bad for our mental health and the psychiatrists and therapists here in America are not saying a thing, especially if they are white and observe the status quo. http://www.ronaldarjune.com.

Ronald Anthony Arjune
yuji22 posted:

An individual can support any sports team of his or her choice regardless of what country his favourite players originate from.

I currently support India and Australia.It is my bloody choice, no one should tell me what team to like or support.

 

REMINDER: The title of yuji's thread is "How Guyana can end its racial problem in 2020 and beyond".

yuji22, a little tact goes a far way towards ending our racial problem. Your sentence lacks tact.

And just as an individual can support any sports team, as you say, that individual can also support any political party of his or her choice. Respect for this principle goes a far way towards ending our racial problems even before 2020.

FM
antabanta posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:

Are you dense? Is it my political affiliation that prevents you from offering a sensible and relevant response? I asked the question because it is the title of the post and is yet to be addressed in an objective manner.

For your information, I am not now, nor have I ever been a PNC supporter. In addition I am a former member of the PYO, although not for long after I realized it was nothing but an impotent organization comprised of racist bigots.

Another PNC slopcan carrier boy in disguise. You failed to comprehend the meaning of "flogging a dead horse" Slopcan carrier bwoy, it ain't happening. Coolies and Niggroes don't trust each other. maybe you can go back and counsel all the racists in Guyana...good luck!!!!!

FM
cain posted:

Oh scnt man you and all with that slopcan shit, you have joined the other scum here.

There is no fkin discussion here anymore worthy of partaking in. When anta replied to your post you told him he was flogging a dead horse. Its you he was flogging except it wasn't a horse but a jackass. 

At least this "jackass" does not write with anger and implied vulgarity. Did someone slip you dried parsley for the 'erb? . Guyana's race problem is a problem of trust between the two races. As we have seen since our childhood, these two races don't trust each other. Where ever there is a difference of race, religion, skin color, or any different beliefs, there will be problems. It's human nature all over the world.

FM
yuji22 posted:

An individual can support any sports team of his or her choice regardless of what country his favourite players originate from.

I currently support India and Australia. It is my bloody choice, no one should tell me what team to like or support.

West Indies team is managed by a bunch of Idiots, why should anyone support a bunch of idiots ? I will be willing to support them whenever these clowns are removed. Plain and simple.

The PNC should have a big Carnival with the WI team management, they are both clueless and their achievements are reflected with similar management styles.

So you're saying Zed was wrong to introduce the sports analogy? Or are you trying to fool someone that your support for the Indian team is not racially motivated. FYI.... no one cares. But if you're a racist stop preaching about what's good for Guyana.

A
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:

Are you dense? Is it my political affiliation that prevents you from offering a sensible and relevant response? I asked the question because it is the title of the post and is yet to be addressed in an objective manner.

For your information, I am not now, nor have I ever been a PNC supporter. In addition I am a former member of the PYO, although not for long after I realized it was nothing but an impotent organization comprised of racist bigots.

Another PNC slopcan carrier boy in disguise. You failed to comprehend the meaning of "flogging a dead horse" Slopcan carrier bwoy, it ain't happening. Coolies and Niggroes don't trust each other. maybe you can go back and counsel all the racists in Guyana...good luck!!!!!

Is it okay with you if I start here on this forum? Because you know your opinion and your approval and your permission is of paramount importance, especially since you still cannot offer any comment of substance. 

A
skeldon_man posted:
Where ever there is a difference of race, religion, skin color, or any different beliefs, there will be problems. It's human nature all over the world.

It's been proven beyond any doubt that children do not recognize skin color and race until they are taught to. Where did you learn that racism is human nature?

A

Skeldon man let me tell you something. First of all..yes I write with anger when I see nasty unwarranted remarks levelled at posters.

Don't you people realize this site is being read by Guyanese who chose for whatever reason to not get involved and when they read the degrading remarks levelled at their people who do you think pays for it? It is not you fellas who reside outside, it is the poor guy in Guyana who said nothing...that's who.

The person who started this thread certainly does not give a dam about ending racial conflict what he wants to end is the Indian party staying in opposition. For him, getting the coolie man no matter how sleazy he might be on top, as his priority.

cain
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Gilbakka posted:
yuji22 posted:

An individual can support any sports team of his or her choice regardless of what country his favourite players originate from.

I currently support India and Australia.It is my bloody choice, no one should tell me what team to like or support.

 

REMINDER: The title of yuji's thread is "How Guyana can end its racial problem in 2020 and beyond".

yuji22, a little tact goes a far way towards ending our racial problem. Your sentence lacks tact.

And just as an individual can support any sports team, as you say, that individual can also support any political party of his or her choice. Respect for this principle goes a far way towards ending our racial problems even before 2020.

Gil

Racial tensions will ease when there is respect for other people's choices. What on earth does supporting a cricket team has to do with race ? Are some people that stupid ?

There are many baseball teams and basketball teams and fans like one team or another. I find it quite disgusting when people are now labelled and attacked when they support a team of their choice.

We have to draw a line to some of this madness.

FM
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ba$eman posted:
 

I never hear BJ lamented Black man a kill ahbe",

He came right here to NYC last year and said so, using coded language of course when the threatened to take back Guyana for "us". He had already defined "us" to mean rural Indians, which he defined as the PPP base.

I don't recall Jagdeo lamenting about the fact that Granger has done virtually nothing for Linden.

FM
Zed posted:

. For example, Indo Guyanese supporting an Indian cricket team in Guyana are criticized as being clannish while it seems ok for Afro Guyanese to support the West Indian team in England, or  some arguing that those shot protesting against hikes in electricity fees by police deserve it while others define it as oppression, brutality, unjustified.

2.

 

I am sure that even you recognize that there is a difference between some one born in the Caribbean (or in rare instances) some one whose parents were born in the Caribbean and some one whose great great grandfathers were born in India.

A first or second generation UK resident of Caribbean origin has way more rights to claim an identity based in the Caribbean than some one whose ancestors most likely had arrived in Guyana in the 1890s.

I will expect a Caribbean born person resident in the USA, or whose parents  were born there to cheer Usain Bolt.  The notion that an Indo Guyanese will support India against the West Indies is weird.

Your example does lend credence to a notion of clannishness.

And in fact the fastest growing part of the UK black population consists of people who refuse to identify as either "Caribbean" or "African".  The vast majority of these are believed to be 3rd or 4th generation blacks of Caribbean origin.  The identification with the Caribbean lasts among those born in the Caribbean and SOME of their kids born in the UK. Their grand kids don't identify with the Caribbean and proudly wave the Union Jack, even though there are still many who query their right to call themselves "British".

FM
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yuji22 posted:
 

Gil

Racial tensions will ease when there is respect for other people's choices. What on earth does supporting a cricket team has to do with race ? Are some people that stupid ?

.

On what basis will some one who was born in Guyana, and whose parents, grandparents and great grand parents were also born in Guyana support India? Do they also support Australia or South Africa?  No.  This isn't support for the team. Its a misguided notion that India is their country.

It becomes clear that racial identity forms the base of it and this is because they reject any connection to the Caribbean. YOU have been known to deride the Caribbean zone as a bunch of black people, though using your usual racially incendiary language.

FM
cain posted:

 

The person who started this thread certainly does not give a dam about ending racial conflict what he wants to end is the Indian party staying in opposition. For him, getting the coolie man no matter how sleazy he might be on top, as his priority.

this is in fact true as at no point is he willing to engage in a balanced discussion about the respective roles and perspectives of BOTH groups. He screams that blacks have no right to distrust the PPP, even as he and many PPP members have at times mounted blatantly racist attacks on this group.

FM
caribny posted:
Zed posted:

. For example, Indo Guyanese supporting an Indian cricket team in Guyana are criticized as being clannish while it seems ok for Afro Guyanese to support the West Indian team in England, or  some arguing that those shot protesting against hikes in electricity fees by police deserve it while others define it as oppression, brutality, unjustified.

2.

 

I am sure that even you recognize that there is a difference between some one born in the Caribbean (or in rare instances) some one whose parents were born in the Caribbean and some one whose great great grandfathers were born in India.

A first or second generation UK resident of Caribbean origin has way more rights to claim an identity based in the Caribbean than some one whose ancestors most likely had arrived in Guyana in the 1890s.

I will expect a Caribbean born person resident in the USA, or whose parents  were born there to cheer Usain Bolt.  The notion that an Indo Guyanese will support India against the West Indies is weird.

Your example does lend credence to a notion of clannishness.

And in fact the fastest growing part of the UK black population consists of people who refuse to identify as either "Caribbean" or "African".  The vast majority of these are believed to be 3rd or 4th generation blacks of Caribbean origin.  The identification with the Caribbean lasts among those born in the Caribbean and SOME of their kids born in the UK. Their grand kids don't identify with the Caribbean and proudly wave the Union Jack, even though there are still many who query their right to call themselves "British".

Caribny,

1. please post the sources for the info you used for your argument. 

2. The Indo Guyanese who support the India team, what generation are they? and please post your source. Please post data on what geneation of West Indians cheered and danced for the visiting West Indian team in Britain. Surprisingly. I heard the same argument that you make from lots of Brits at that time.

3. What is so "weird" about supporting the Indian team against theWest Indies? I know a second and third generation Brazilian family in Britain supporting the Brazilian soccer team against the British soccer team, so too the Irish. How about the second generation Portuguese family from Guyana living in Australia supporting the West Indian team against the Australian team? Many anecdotal examples. 

4. Tell us about cultural enclave communities and what forces encourage their continued existence over generations. Not only in Guyana, but in developed countries, and not only East Indians, but also, Irish, Germans, Italians, Ukranians, Chinese, Polish, etc.

I experience a high degree of discomfort when in an argument one uses data as you have done without sourcing it. I prefer to read it to determine if the statements are reflective of the contents.

It all about narrative, the lens, your cognitive structure. So, if someone was to support an Indian team, even though that person has lived in a non-enclave community for over forty years, consider himself/herself black and East Indian, come from a family of diverse culture background and connections  then that person was displaying clannish behaviour? At times, it is just a personal preference, keeping in mind what I wrote in my first post. To label it as an expression of being "clannish" is a far fetch.

 

 

Z
yuji22 posted:
Gilbakka posted:
yuji22 posted:

An individual can support any sports team of his or her choice regardless of what country his favourite players originate from.

I currently support India and Australia.It is my bloody choice, no one should tell me what team to like or support.

 

REMINDER: The title of yuji's thread is "How Guyana can end its racial problem in 2020 and beyond".

yuji22, a little tact goes a far way towards ending our racial problem. Your sentence lacks tact.

And just as an individual can support any sports team, as you say, that individual can also support any political party of his or her choice. Respect for this principle goes a far way towards ending our racial problems even before 2020.

Gil

Racial tensions will ease when there is respect for other people's choices. What on earth does supporting a cricket team has to do with race ? Are some people that stupid ?

There are many baseball teams and basketball teams and fans like one team or another. I find it quite disgusting when people are now labelled and attacked when they support a team of their choice.

We have to draw a line to some of this madness.

It's getting harder and harder to hide, isn't it?.

Those baseball and basketball teams are all within the same nation. Stop your asinine BS to justify your racist agenda to promote the dominance of East Indians in a diverse nation. People can definitely support whatever sport team they want, but when a proven IndoGuyanese racist, supports a team from India at the expense of his own national players, it can only be for one reason. But of course, you're so smart (being Indo) that you can fool all of us.

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antabanta posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Where ever there is a difference of race, religion, skin color, or any different beliefs, there will be problems. It's human nature all over the world.

It's been proven beyond any doubt that children do not recognize skin color and race until they are taught to. Where did you learn that racism is human nature?

Go preach to your PNC bwoys about racism. PNC people like you is the reason Guyana is in this state today. Unless you are a negro or of negro descent, coolies like you sold out your people. Who cares about you being a PYO activist? They probably kick your behind out of the organization because of your back stabbing activities..supporting the enemy. You should preach to Granger not to kick every "non-negro" indian out of the government.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Where ever there is a difference of race, religion, skin color, or any different beliefs, there will be problems. It's human nature all over the world.

It's been proven beyond any doubt that children do not recognize skin color and race until they are taught to. Where did you learn that racism is human nature?

Go preach to your PNC bwoys about racism. PNC people like you is the reason Guyana is in this state today. Unless you are a negro or of negro descent, coolies like you sold out your people. Who cares about you being a PYO activist? They probably kick your behind out of the organization because of your back stabbing activities..supporting the enemy. You should preach to Granger not to kick every "non-negro" indian out of the government.

So you don't know why you stated that racism is human nature?

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cain posted: The person who started this thread certainly does not give a dam about ending racial conflict what he wants to end is the Indian party staying in opposition. For him, getting the coolie man no matter how sleazy he might be on top, as his priority.

I endorse Cain's observation wholeheartedly. Bang on! On the ball!

FM
yuji22 posted: Racial tensions will ease when there is respect for other people's choices. What on earth does supporting a cricket team has to do with race ? Are some people that stupid ?
 

In Guyana, practically everything is viewed through the lens of race politics. Someone had posted a photo here of a man selling something on the ECD roadside, crabs or fish or something. An innocent photo, I think, showing a slice of life in Guyana. Lo and behold, that image drew a slew of race talk, anti-PPP and anti-PNC dribble. So, even cricket matches draw racial comments. 

Those of us who know better, who really care about racial unity, and particularly yuji22 who started this important thread, should not only be impartial and responsible but must also appear to be so.

FM

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