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Afro-Guyanese promised easier access to loans, grants; govt to be asked for more money

 

A section of the packed auditorium at the Critchlow Labour College where hundreds of persons attended a business conference that organisers said was aimed at fostering greater business development by Afro-Guyanese.

The Ministry of Business’ Small Business Bureau on Wednesday announced that it was offering up to 70 percent guarantee of loans with the expectation that supporting commercial banks would take the risk on the remaining 30 percent.

SSB Chief Executive Officer, Lowell Porter explained that at first the guarantee was 40 percent if borrowers fail to repay the banks, but after realising that banks in other Caribbean countries offer 70 and 80 percent guarantees, the Bureau revised its figure to 70 percent.

“That’s part of your interest you are losing maybe but you are not losing anything. These are the kinds of conversations that you need to have with your banks,” he said.

Porter, meanwhile, said all the monies allocated by government to provide grants of GY$300,000 each have dried up, prompting the Chairman of the International Decade for People of African Descent- Guyana (IDPAD-G), Vincent Alexander to state that the mission of his organisation is to ask government for more funds.

“Unfortunately, the grants have already been exhausted so there are no more grants available,” Porter said, adding that efforts would be found to assist persons who are enthusiastic about their business ideas.

“One of our tasks is to work with government to make sure they have more money to give more grants,” remarked Alexander.

The SBB provides training, policy review, mentoring and coaching as well as brainstorming business ideas and proposals.

Participants collecting information from one of the booths at the Afro-Guyanese business conference.

In the area of loans, Porter restated that only two of Guyana’s six commercial banks have said they would support small businesses. “Out of those two banks, only one is a locally owned bank. I personally think that that is ridiculous. If we are thinking about development and maybe the government should make it- I don’t want to say mandatory- but in some ways these banks come in and operate in Guyana, how many are here to support small businesses. We have to push that agenda,” he said. Also of concern to the SBB’s Chief Executive Officer is the fact that one commercial banks do not support businesses that are 0 to 2 years old. “So I said ‘why the hell are you here’  because those are the bulk of our businesses. Those are the clients that we have that are now starting up that need the most support, from 0 to 2 years old, and if you are telling me, as a bank, that you are not interested, then our conversation is ended,” Porter said. The Bureau’s boss urged businesses to insist on knowing what commercial businesses are doing for them.

The announcements were made at a conference aimed at stimulating Afro-Guyanese interest in accessing funds and understanding the rules of doing business, but a number of them said they expected more from the event.

“I came expecting to hear a bit more about loans and grants, but I did not. They should have allowed us to air our views more than just talking to us,” said one participant who has remigrated from Antigua.

Held under the auspices of the International Decade for People of African Descent- Guyana, the event brought together several government and private entities whose representatives interacted with attendees. They included the Small Business Bureau, Guyana Revenue Authority, Business Registry, Citizens Bank, Central Housing and Planning Authority, Credit Bureau , Institute of Private Enterprise Development and other entities.

After the just over one hour formal opening session, attendees milled around while others left. “Today, you are not going to get loans, you are not going to get grants but today your eyes will be opened,” he said.

Addressing the opening session, IPADA-G’s Alexander said Wednesday’s event was merely knowledge-sharing with the ultimate aim of getting loans and grants which have been a major obstacle for Afro-Guyanese businesses.

President of the African Business Roundtable, Eric Phillips remarked that economic power was key to political power in the same way that the Portuguese who make up 0.2 percent of Guyana’s population controls 10 percent of the economy and “wield a lot of political power because they have a lot of economic power”. He called on the attendees not to listen to people who tell them they could not succeed because history shows that Blacks have conducted successful businesses including purchasing the first village, Victoria, on the East Coast Demerara.

Phillips warned them against being dependent on an the oil economy because volatile oil prices could result in a crisis like in neighbouring oil-rich Venezuela. Instead, the Afro-Guyanese rights advocate said the must cease operating as small individual entrepreneurs but come to together to produce large amounts of agricultural produce to satisfy markets in the Caribbean and elsewhere. “We need to work in clusters. Too many of us are working individually. We can’t do that. Our culture in the village movement is about working in coops, working collectively,” he said.

Small business advocate, Patrick Zephyr singled out as a major weakness among Afro-Guyanese, the virtual lack of circulation of monies among themselves. In making out the case for a Black commercial bank, he likened such a financial institution unto a heart. “We need to have our monies circulating in the system and we need to have that heart to pump that money among ourselves,” said Zephyr of the Nile Valley Economic organisation.

The Small Business Bureau Act was passed in 2004 and the organisation began operations in 2010, with its first tranche of funds having been disbursed about four years ago.

Organisers said Wednesday’s event was organised by the IDPAD-G in keeping with President David Granger’s call for emphasis to be placed on economic and educational advancement in Guyana for the remainder of the decade that ends in 2025.

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yuji22 posted:

Nothing for sugar workers. I wonder why ?

Maybe because dem sugar workers are too eager to leave the country, or are not burning tires on the highway to draw attention to their plight, or maybe the PPP is not aggressive enough to defend dem people who supported them all dem years.

V

it's interesting to watch the usual suspects circle round this relatively innocuous news item, working their mediocre minds hard, trying to make a case of Gov't giving SOMETHING to BLACK people that is denied INDIAN people

sick stuff

FM

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

FM
ronan posted:

it's interesting to watch the usual suspects circle round this relatively innocuous news item, working their mediocre minds hard, trying to make a case of Gov't giving SOMETHING to BLACK people that is denied INDIAN people

sick stuff

Hey hey hey...

FM
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

Django
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

De Kabaka did. It was discrimination. Look up de histry of de army ethnic brukdown percent when de British leff abie in the 60s. Hey hey hey...

FM
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

Django, let me tell you this. I had a high school friend from one of the villages(I think 67 or 68). He was 5' 10". He passed a couple subjects GCE and applied for a job in the police force. He never heard from them. What does that tell you?

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

Django, let me tell you this. I had a high school friend from one of the villages(I think 67 or 68). He was 5' 10". He passed a couple subjects GCE and applied for a job in the police force. He never heard from them. What does that tell you?

I had East Indian buddies in both GPF and GDF what does that tell you?

cain
Last edited by cain
Labba posted:
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

De Kabaka did. It was discrimination. Look up de histry of de army ethnic brukdown percent when de British leff abie in the 60s. Hey hey hey...

Suh why dem bhais from FH during their tenure correct what the Kabaka did ?bhai them had 23 yrs,me made wan suggestion that the GPF should reflect the demographics of the regions,me thinks nah me alone seh suh.

Django
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

Django, let me tell you this. I had a high school friend from one of the villages(I think 67 or 68). He was 5' 10". He passed a couple subjects GCE and applied for a job in the police force. He never heard from them. What does that tell you?

If was Kabaka time,his chances would have been slim.

Anyway from my village there was a lot of East Indians in the police force and GDF,also a female in the GDF.

Django
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cain posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

Django, let me tell you this. I had a high school friend from one of the villages(I think 67 or 68). He was 5' 10". He passed a couple subjects GCE and applied for a job in the police force. He never heard from them. What does that tell you?

I had East Indian buddies in both GPF and GDF what does that tell you?

Money talks; bullshit walks? Still happens today.

FM
Django posted:
Labba posted:
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

De Kabaka did. It was discrimination. Look up de histry of de army ethnic brukdown percent when de British leff abie in the 60s. Hey hey hey...

Suh why dem bhais from FH during their tenure correct what the Kabaka did ?bhai them had 23 yrs,me made wan suggestion that the GPF should reflect the demographics of the regions,me thinks nah me alone seh suh.

Dem bright peopkle like Mr Freddie, Mr Ronan gat a big word dem does use...Faustian bargain.  Meh does learn wan wan word fram dem. De PPP under dat evil, wicked sk&^%T Bharrat mek a Faustian bargain. Dem choose personal wealth over what is right. Yuh cyant enrich yuself and family and fren and same time balance military. Black peoppkle would not agree to dat. Yuh need wan grand bargain wid everybady pon de table,,,give and tek,,,Bharrat doan want dat. Hey hey hey...but it doan mean we muss shut up on dis matter? Na? 

FM
cain posted:

Bullshit! Blaming the British is so dam easy..why did BJ not try to fill up the forces with East Indians when he was commander in chief?

Hey hey hey...yet de army was kickin football wid dem freedom fighta in Buxton. And den when dem had de gun salute in Buxton foh Mr Waddel funeral de army bais dem stand up and watch. Hey hey hey...

FM
Labba posted:
cain posted:

Bullshit! Blaming the British is so dam easy..why did BJ not try to fill up the forces with East Indians when he was commander in chief?

Hey hey hey...yet de army was kickin football wid dem freedom fighta in Buxton. And den when dem had de gun salute in Buxton foh Mr Waddel funeral de army bais dem stand up and watch. Hey hey hey...

What should they have done..killed Waddel again?

cain
cain posted:
Labba posted:
cain posted:

Bullshit! Blaming the British is so dam easy..why did BJ not try to fill up the forces with East Indians when he was commander in chief?

Hey hey hey...yet de army was kickin football wid dem freedom fighta in Buxton. And den when dem had de gun salute in Buxton foh Mr Waddel funeral de army bais dem stand up and watch. Hey hey hey...

What should they have done..killed Waddel again?

Go smoke yuh lil dope bai. Hey hey hey...

FM
Labba posted:
Django posted:
Labba posted:
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

De Kabaka did. It was discrimination. Look up de histry of de army ethnic brukdown percent when de British leff abie in the 60s. Hey hey hey...

Suh why dem bhais from FH during their tenure correct what the Kabaka did ?bhai them had 23 yrs,me made wan suggestion that the GPF should reflect the demographics of the regions,me thinks nah me alone seh suh.

Dem bright peopkle like Mr Freddie, Mr Ronan gat a big word dem does use...Faustian bargain.  Meh does learn wan wan word fram dem. De PPP under dat evil, wicked sk&^%T Bharrat mek a Faustian bargain. Dem choose personal wealth over what is right. Yuh cyant enrich yuself and family and fren and same time balance military. Black peoppkle would not agree to dat. Yuh need wan grand bargain wid everybady pon de table,,,give and tek,,,Bharrat doan want dat. Hey hey hey...but it doan mean we muss shut up on dis matter? Na? 

Nope it have to be kept up front.

Talking bout Bharrat,me thinks he is worsest  that was shoved to represent the East Indian in Guyana,well who ah me fuh seh so.

Django
cain posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

Django, let me tell you this. I had a high school friend from one of the villages(I think 67 or 68). He was 5' 10". He passed a couple subjects GCE and applied for a job in the police force. He never heard from them. What does that tell you?

I had East Indian buddies in both GPF and GDF what does that tell you?

Their parents were PNC members.

FM
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Daily here y'all preach how black people lazy, stupid, lack business sense, and not good for anything but being a teef man (and you have joined yourself to this crowd with your race baiting posts).

Why do you now have a problem wtih black people trying to set up their own business financing? Indians trade freely among themselves and support they mattie, why is it wrong for black people to do the same?

FM
skeldon_man posted:
cain posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

Django, let me tell you this. I had a high school friend from one of the villages(I think 67 or 68). He was 5' 10". He passed a couple subjects GCE and applied for a job in the police force. He never heard from them. What does that tell you?

I had East Indian buddies in both GPF and GDF what does that tell you?

Their parents were PNC members.

Damn and he nah get in.

Django
Iguana posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Daily here y'all preach how black people lazy, stupid, lack business sense, and not good for anything but being a teef man (and you have joined yourself to this crowd with your race baiting posts).

Why do you now have a problem wtih black people trying to set up their own business financing? Indians trade freely among themselves and support they mattie, why is it wrong for black people to do the same?

Hey hey hey...Yuh gat nuff nuff nuff successful blackpeople business in Guyana. Ayoo does show up de small numba super rich coolies as bargaining chip foh ayoo metem/dhall/barley soup from de treasury. Hey hey hey...ayoo busy destroyin de coolies in rural area. Ask Mr Phillips and de ACDA bais dem...hey hey hey...

FM
Iguana posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Daily here y'all preach how black people lazy, stupid, lack business sense, and not good for anything but being a teef man (and you have joined yourself to this crowd with your race baiting posts).

Why do you now have a problem wtih black people trying to set up their own business financing? Indians trade freely among themselves and support they mattie, why is it wrong for black people to do the same?

Good wan there bhai Iggi,

duh is easy to disassemble.

Django
Iguana posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Daily here y'all preach how black people lazy, stupid, lack business sense, and not good for anything but being a teef man (and you have joined yourself to this crowd with your race baiting posts).

Why do you now have a problem wtih black people trying to set up their own business financing? Indians trade freely among themselves and support they mattie, why is it wrong for black people to do the same?

My primary school teacher, a very good black man who became the headmaster of the school asked me "Bai, since when black people can run any business successfully"? Let's see how many of them will take the money and sport up and wine down. They see free money, why not take it and run? Abie deh pun tap now. Dem nah guh ask back fuh de money. Abie own peeple.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Iguana posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Daily here y'all preach how black people lazy, stupid, lack business sense, and not good for anything but being a teef man (and you have joined yourself to this crowd with your race baiting posts).

Why do you now have a problem wtih black people trying to set up their own business financing? Indians trade freely among themselves and support they mattie, why is it wrong for black people to do the same?

My primary school teacher, a very good black man who became the headmaster of the school asked me "Bai, since when black people can run any business successfully"? Let's see how many of them will take the money and sport up and wine down. They see free money, why not take it and run? Abie deh pun tap now. Dem nah guh ask back fuh de money. Abie own peeple.

Yea...doh is exactly why dem rural coolies will suffer. Ayoo tink blackpeople doan own business. Blackman was de first real estate trada in British time. Dem coolies was in dem logies. Hey hey hey...

FM

Eric Philips throwing water on the backs of ducks. It ain't gonna work. Afros have increased their participation in the last two decades due to the fact that government created a better environment for business to grow and prosper. The current government is anti business. Too much taxes on businesses and individuals to boost revenue to pay for ministers and other civil servants salaries. This does not not translate into economic growth. Borrow a page from BJ and you get results. Businesses have been suffering in the last couple of years and moreso for the Afro Guyanese. Eric needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Preaching the same old rhetoric would not change things

Billy Ram Balgobin
Labba posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Iguana posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Daily here y'all preach how black people lazy, stupid, lack business sense, and not good for anything but being a teef man (and you have joined yourself to this crowd with your race baiting posts).

Why do you now have a problem wtih black people trying to set up their own business financing? Indians trade freely among themselves and support they mattie, why is it wrong for black people to do the same?

My primary school teacher, a very good black man who became the headmaster of the school asked me "Bai, since when black people can run any business successfully"? Let's see how many of them will take the money and sport up and wine down. They see free money, why not take it and run? Abie deh pun tap now. Dem nah guh ask back fuh de money. Abie own peeple.

Yea...doh is exactly why dem rural coolies will suffer. Ayoo tink blackpeople doan own business. Blackman was de first real estate trada in British time. Dem coolies was in dem logies. Hey hey hey...

Labba_man, dem coolie bin ugly, but dem nah bin sthupid. Dem learn and look wah happen today. Dem black peeple ah look fuh handout. The last time Burnham built houses for them in Scotsburg, they used the walls to cook. The area has been reclaimed by coolie cane cutters...some big houses.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Iguana posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Daily here y'all preach how black people lazy, stupid, lack business sense, and not good for anything but being a teef man (and you have joined yourself to this crowd with your race baiting posts).

Why do you now have a problem wtih black people trying to set up their own business financing? Indians trade freely among themselves and support they mattie, why is it wrong for black people to do the same?

My primary school teacher, a very good black man who became the headmaster of the school asked me "Bai, since when black people can run any business successfully"? Let's see how many of them will take the money and sport up and wine down. They see free money, why not take it and run? Abie deh pun tap now. Dem nah guh ask back fuh de money. Abie own peeple.

dem bruk up GAIbank.

S
seignet posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Iguana posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Daily here y'all preach how black people lazy, stupid, lack business sense, and not good for anything but being a teef man (and you have joined yourself to this crowd with your race baiting posts).

Why do you now have a problem wtih black people trying to set up their own business financing? Indians trade freely among themselves and support they mattie, why is it wrong for black people to do the same?

My primary school teacher, a very good black man who became the headmaster of the school asked me "Bai, since when black people can run any business successfully"? Let's see how many of them will take the money and sport up and wine down. They see free money, why not take it and run? Abie deh pun tap now. Dem nah guh ask back fuh de money. Abie own peeple.

dem bruk up GAIbank.

Hey hey hey...Not dat dem seh. Dem seh coolie tek loan from guybank and na pay am back...hey hey hey...ayoo know dat foh fact? Or ayoo tek it like day and accept "dem bruk up guybank"? When dem seh doh dem mean coolie is de cause foh dem doan get loan today. Hey hey hey...

FM

dem pissed because cbj closed the bank and sold the assets to beharry and dey found more money in de bank than dey paid for.

suh it was a myth dat black ppl bruk the bank. bcz all de money was in the bank. maybe the fiance man was a romance man wid the negotiations.

S
ronan posted:

it's interesting to watch the usual suspects circle round this relatively innocuous news item, working their mediocre minds hard, trying to make a case of Gov't giving SOMETHING to BLACK people that is denied INDIAN people

sick stuff

Mind explaining that?

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
ronan posted:

it's interesting to watch the usual suspects circle round this relatively innocuous news item, working their mediocre minds hard, trying to make a case of Gov't giving SOMETHING to BLACK people that is denied INDIAN people

sick stuff

Mind explaining that?

When successful Afro Guyanese, who own businesses outside of Guyana and can get access to banks in those countries, report that they cannot in Guyana you know that there is a problem.

But you endorse discrimination by the private sector if it is blacks who they punish.  So start screaming that it is racist for any discussion about whether there is discrimination against black by the banks in Guyana.

FM
Labba posted:
 

Yea...doh is exactly why dem rural coolies will suffer. Ayoo tink blackpeople doan own business. Blackman was de first real estate trada in British time. Dem coolies was in dem logies. Hey hey hey...

What is interesting is that prior to universal adult suffrage only those who owned property were allowed to vote.  The bulk of the voters in this era were blacks.  Indian advocates screamed for universal adult suffrage so that more Indians would be able to vote. 

Middle class blacks were against this because they feared Indo domination as Indians were the majority of the voting age population.  Having seen what happened during the 23 years of PPP Indocracy it is clear that their fears were in fact quite real as blacks of the educated class were systematically excluded.

So folks can peddle their racist myths to justify their racism against blacks.  The same ones cry and wail when similar racism is directed towards them by blacks.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
 

My primary school teacher, a very good black man who became the headmaster of the school asked me "Bai, since when black people can run any business successfully"?

Of course this self hating negro was a "very good black man." 

 

I know that you don't think that self hating Indians, who call Indians a bunch of wife beating drunks intent on killing themselves with poison, are "very good Indians."

FM
caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:
ronan posted:

it's interesting to watch the usual suspects circle round this relatively innocuous news item, working their mediocre minds hard, trying to make a case of Gov't giving SOMETHING to BLACK people that is denied INDIAN people

sick stuff

Mind explaining that?

When successful Afro Guyanese, who own businesses outside of Guyana and can get access to banks in those countries, report that they cannot in Guyana you know that there is a problem.

But you endorse discrimination by the private sector if it is blacks who they punish.  So start screaming that it is racist for any discussion about whether there is discrimination against black by the banks in Guyana.

It's hard not to respond to you without using obscenities because you're so infuriatingly ignorant. I asked what was meant by "government GIVING something to black people that is DENIED Indian people".

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
 

It's hard not to respond to you without using obscenities because you're so infuriatingly ignorant. I asked what was meant by "government GIVING something to black people that is DENIED Indian people".

 

The reason why this meeting was arranged was because blacks have been complaining since the late 90s about systemic discrimination against them by the private sector.  You all Indians laughed at them, called them racists and ranted that "dem black man cyan run cake shop". 

Its just amazing the blatant anti blackness that occurs in Guyana. And I learned this from other Caribbean people who have visited Guyana and saw the treatment of blacks during the PPP that reminded them of the colonial era in their islands.  They were perplexed that Afro Guyanese appeared to tolerate this when in the post WII era they were well ahead of other blacks in the Caribbean.

So unless you deal with that problem you will see blacks demanding that the public sector address this inequity. 

But you only care when you think that Indians face exclusion. Well the best way for Indians to avoid exclusion is to ensure that NO group in Guyana is excluded!

FM
caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:
ronan posted:

it's interesting to watch the usual suspects circle round this relatively innocuous news item, working their mediocre minds hard, trying to make a case of Gov't giving SOMETHING to BLACK people that is denied INDIAN people

sick stuff

Mind explaining that?

When successful Afro Guyanese, who own businesses outside of Guyana and can get access to banks in those countries, report that they cannot in Guyana you know that there is a problem.

But you endorse discrimination by the private sector if it is blacks who they punish.  So start screaming that it is racist for any discussion about whether there is discrimination against black by the banks in Guyana.

Show me where I endorse or endorsed discrimination against blacks in any sector. I said I don't believe in Affirmative Action. If YOU have an inferiority complex and believe that that is the only way blacks can move up, that is your problem. It certainly is not my belief or opinion. There is an old cowboy saying, "Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction". Immediately you come to mind.

GTAngler

And there is NO place in all of this where anyone is saying that only blacks will get loans.  Not even Eric Phillips is asking for this.  They want to ensure that small businesses gain better access to loans. 

Given who owns most of the small businesses I find it hilarious that some scream that Indians will be excluded.  In fact small business owners will be included.  Without regard to race.  In fact it will be the banks and not the gov't who will decide on this.  The banks allowed to take more risk because 70% of the loan will be guaranteed so their losses will be 30% of the unpaid portion of the default.

As soon as blacks advocate for their rights people like GTAngler get heart attacks.  He would rather blacks remain as security guards and cashiers.

FM
caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:
 

It's hard not to respond to you without using obscenities because you're so infuriatingly ignorant. I asked what was meant by "government GIVING something to black people that is DENIED Indian people".

 

The reason why this meeting was arranged was because blacks have been complaining since the late 90s about systemic discrimination against them by the private sector.  You all Indians laughed at them, called them racists and ranted that "dem black man cyan run cake shop". 

Its just amazing the blatant anti blackness that occurs in Guyana. And I learned this from other Caribbean people who have visited Guyana and saw the treatment of blacks during the PPP that reminded them of the colonial era in their islands.  They were perplexed that Afro Guyanese appeared to tolerate this when in the post WII era they were well ahead of other blacks in the Caribbean.

So unless you deal with that problem you will see blacks demanding that the public sector address this inequity. 

But you only care when you think that Indians face exclusion. Well the best way for Indians to avoid exclusion is to ensure that NO group in Guyana is excluded!

That is what I have been saying all along but your racist head only pops up when any other race but Afro points out racism perpetuated by Afros. As long as Afros are the ones benefitting from any bias or racism, you keep your damn mouth shut.

GTAngler
caribny posted:

And there is NO place in all of this where anyone is saying that only blacks will get loans.  Not even Eric Phillips is asking for this.  They want to ensure that small businesses gain better access to loans. 

Given who owns most of the small businesses I find it hilarious that some scream that Indians will be excluded.  In fact small business owners will be included.  Without regard to race.  In fact it will be the banks and not the gov't who will decide on this.  The banks allowed to take more risk because 70% of the loan will be guaranteed so their losses will be 30% of the unpaid portion of the default.

As soon as blacks advocate for their rights people like GTAngler get heart attacks.  He would rather blacks remain as security guards and cashiers.

I am going to ask again you dunce, Show me where I endorse or endorsed discrimination against blacks in any sector

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
 

Show me where I endorse or endorsed discrimination against blacks

You do because you refuse to allow any discussion of discrimination against blacks.  Even as you scream about cries of Indian exclusion and you do NOT cite this as evidence of "Indian inferiority" when blacks make similar claims this is how you discredit them.

The fact remains that racism exists in Guyana and you want to stifle any discussion of it.  That is unless you think that it is Indians who are being victimized, then you jump and wail and scream!

You didn't even take the time to see that no one is asking the gov't to make any special concession to blacks.  The loan decisions will be made by the lending officers.  Yes the SAME folks who already think that blacks shouldn't be offered loans.

Next time anyone wails about under representation of Indians in any facet of Guyana my response will be that they suffer from an inferiority complex.  I bet that you will scream and call me a racist for saying this.

FM
caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:
 

Show me where I endorse or endorsed discrimination against blacks

You do because you refuse to allow any discussion of discrimination against blacks.  Even as you scream about cries of Indian exclusion and you do NOT cite this as evidence of "Indian inferiority" when blacks make similar claims this is how you discredit them.

The fact remains that racism exists in Guyana and you want to stifle any discussion of it.  That is unless you think that it is Indians who are being victimized, then you jump and wail and scream!

You didn't even take the time to see that no one is asking the gov't to make any special concession to blacks.  The loan decisions will be made by the lending officers.  Yes the SAME folks who already think that blacks shouldn't be offered loans.

Next time anyone wails about under representation of Indians in any facet of Guyana my response will be that they suffer from an inferiority complex.  I bet that you will scream and call me a racist for saying this.

I said YOU interpreted my not believing in AA as discriminating against blacks and YOU seem to have an inferiority complex. I also specified that I did NOT share that belief or opinion. I am not sure what the medical explanation is for your mental state but it is useless for me to respond to anything you say because you haven't the ability to discern the true meaning of anything I write. So, carry on with your imbecility.

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
ronan posted:

it's interesting to watch the usual suspects circle round this relatively innocuous news item, working their mediocre minds hard, trying to make a case of Gov't giving SOMETHING to BLACK people that is denied INDIAN people

sick stuff

Mind explaining that?

what exactly is unclear about the highlighted?

FM
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:

Nothing for sugar workers. I wonder why ?

Give them cheap electricity and nothing more.  That is what your Jagdeo did to the bauxite workers.

I must say that I'm appalled and dis appointed that a member at your level would say such a thing. Tit for tat, Carib? Is this the best u can offer? So the PPP did it to the bauxite worker therefore its the APNU's turn to do it to the sugar workers. A member with your caliber should have offered a much better response to yuji question. Shame on u, man.

Sheik101
Sheik101 posted:
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:

Nothing for sugar workers. I wonder why ?

Give them cheap electricity and nothing more.  That is what your Jagdeo did to the bauxite workers.

I must say that I'm appalled and dis appointed that a member at your level would say such a thing. Tit for tat, Carib? Is this the best u can offer? So the PPP did it to the bauxite worker therefore its the APNU's turn to do it to the sugar workers. A member with your caliber should have offered a much better response to yuji question. Shame on u, man.

indeed . . . tit for tat is absurd, anti-Guyana and destructive

but how many here cared to reflect on the benign neglect of bauxite workers under the Jagdeo regime

indeed . . . besides LOUD silence, we had (as one example) khristian klansman Seignet holding forth on GNI that the PPP wasn’t inflicting enough sufferation pan dem Linden blackman . . . Biblical curses and all that

fast forward here 2018 . . . everybady getting a come to Jesus moment now that ‘conventional’ wisdom coalesces around abie ox ‘being gored’

i think that’s what caribny is underlining

FM
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ronan posted:
Sheik101 posted:
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:

Nothing for sugar workers. I wonder why ?

Give them cheap electricity and nothing more.  That is what your Jagdeo did to the bauxite workers.

I must say that I'm appalled and dis appointed that a member at your level would say such a thing. Tit for tat, Carib? Is this the best u can offer? So the PPP did it to the bauxite worker therefore its the APNU's turn to do it to the sugar workers. A member with your caliber should have offered a much better response to yuji question. Shame on u, man.

indeed . . . tit for tat is absurd, anti-Guyana and destructive

but how many here cared to reflect on the benign neglect of bauxite workers under the Jagdeo regime

indeed . . . besides LOUD silence, some like seignet were holding forth on GNI, to much nodding and amens i might add, that the PPP wasn’t inflicting enough sufferation pan dem Linden blackman . . . Biblical curses and all that

fast forward here 2018 . . . everybady getting a come to Jesus moment now that ‘conventional’ wisdom coalesces around abie ox ‘being gored’

i think that’s what caribny is underlining

Nonsense, the bauxite workers termed the phrase "father of the nation" in reference to Jagdeo with the various safety nets that the then govt put in place to ease their pain. 

FM
Drugb posted:

Nonsense, the bauxite workers termed the phrase "father of the nation" in reference to Jagdeo with the various safety nets that the then govt put in place to ease their pain. 

clap clap clap . . .

isn’t there some gawdforsaken rock, somewhere, under which you are overdue to return as bandleader for the PPP cockroach tiefman chorus?

yaaaaaawwwn

FM
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ronan posted:
Drugb posted:

Nonsense, the bauxite workers termed the phrase "father of the nation" in reference to Jagdeo with the various safety nets that the then govt put in place to ease their pain. 

clap clap clap . . .

isn’t there some gawdforsaken rock, somewhere, under which you are overdue to return as bandleader for the PPP cockroach tiefman chorus?

yaaaaaawwwn

I am indifferent to the PPP, they didn't do a good job too. 
But the PNC takes the cake on incompetence, especially with supporters like you who will fetch their slop can and bear the stench without complaining. 

FM
GTAngler posted:

 

I said YOU interpreted my not believing in AA as discriminating against blacks and YOU seem to have an inferiority complex. I also specified that I did NOT share that belief or opinion. I am not sure what the medical explanation is for your mental state but it is useless for me to respond to anything you say because you haven't the ability to discern the true meaning of anything I write. So, carry on with your imbecility.

 

There you go the implicit racist that you are. I did NOT raise any discussion of affirmative action for ANYONE in Guyana.  Yet you default to that and are now tying yourself in knots as you fell into a hole of your making.

If I didn't demand affirmative action for blacks why will I care whether you favor it? 

You are an implicit racist because you have double standards.  The private sector can discriminate against blacks but blacks cannot discriminate against Indians when they have the power to do so!

NOW CAUGHT IN A WEB OF YOUR OWN NONSENSE YOU TRY TO CONFUSE THE ISSUE BY THINKING THAT THIS IS ABOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.  IT IS NOT.

IN FACT THE ONLY GROUP IN GUYANA WHICH DESERVES AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ARE AMERINDIANS. 

FM
Drugb posted:
 

Nonsense, the bauxite workers termed the phrase "father of the nation" in reference to Jagdeo with the various safety nets that the then govt put in place to ease their pain. 

Why did bauxite workers consider Jagdeo to be "father of the nation" when in NO election did the PPP win more than 20% of the votes in region 10?   You repeat what some starving PPP milk drinker said when Jagdeo visited.  Obviously few bauxite workers agreed with him, based on the thrashings that the PPP has received in virtually every single election.

I will remind you that 10% of the population are Amerindians because this area includes many riverain areas and not just Linden.  So this means that the PPP did even worse among the bauxite workers.  In fact 2015 showed almost record voter turnout.

Apparently the beating that I used to give you continue to prevent you from thinking clearly.  If you direct posts at me I will continue to treat you like the pathetic idiot that you are.  Go play with Nehru!

FM
ronan posted:
 

i think that’s what caribny is underlining

I am saying that no Guyanese should receive preferential treatment.  The same ones who screamed about "dem lazy and ungrateful blackman" now want sugar workers to receive support.   This because the bulk of them are Indians. 

They scream that bauxite workers got cheap electricity so should be happy. I state that sugar workers should be treated the same, or these PPP frauds should then admit that Jagdeo's treatment of the bauxite workers was an abomination!

They cannot rant that Linden got free electricity so should shut up and then scream that to offer only that to sugar workers is cruel.  This is the double standards that I talk about.

FM
Sheik101 posted:
 

I must say that I'm appalled and dis appointed that a member at your level would say such a thing. Tit for tat, Carib? Is this the best u can offer? So the PPP did it to the bauxite worker therefore its the APNU's turn to do it to the sugar workers. A member with your caliber should have offered a much better response to yuji question. Shame on u, man.

Oh so you now admit that the bauxite workers were treated badly?

Or do you claim that sugar workers receive better treatment because they are Indians!

When you lead a debate about the racism by the PPP against blacks then I will withdraw my tit for tat.

FM
GTAngler posted:

 

That is what I have been saying all along but your racist head only pops up when any other race but Afro points out racism perpetuated by Afros. As long as Afros are the ones benefitting from any bias or racism, you keep your damn mouth shut.

I pop up to attack Indian racists and they take great offense at that. Well once Indian racists exist Caribny will show up.  So I will continue to confront you while you exhibit your implicit bias against blacks!

 

I have said that BOTH groups have engaged in ethnic exclusionary behavior and I said that DIRECTLY TO YOU?

Have you admitted this?  No you scream I am a racist because I REFUSE to let you rant about Indian exclusion and then call me a racist when I tell you that black exclusion exists too.

FM
caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:

 

That is what I have been saying all along but your racist head only pops up when any other race but Afro points out racism perpetuated by Afros. As long as Afros are the ones benefitting from any bias or racism, you keep your damn mouth shut.

I pop up to attack Indian racists and they take great offense at that. Well once Indian racists exist Caribny will show up.  So I will continue to confront you while you exhibit your implicit bias against blacks!

 

I have said that BOTH groups have engaged in ethnic exclusionary behavior and I said that DIRECTLY TO YOU?

Have you admitted this?  No you scream I am a racist because I REFUSE to let you rant about Indian exclusion and then call me a racist when I tell you that black exclusion exists too.

You are a known racist against indos. Bottom line, you support free electricity for blackman and tell the indos to take a hike. 

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

Nonsense, the bauxite workers termed the phrase "father of the nation" in reference to Jagdeo with the various safety nets that the then govt put in place to ease their pain. 

Why did bauxite workers consider Jagdeo to be "father of the nation" when in NO election did the PPP win more than 20% of the votes in region 10?   You repeat what some starving PPP milk drinker said when Jagdeo visited.  Obviously few bauxite workers agreed with him, based on the thrashings that the PPP has received in virtually every single election.

I will remind you that 10% of the population are Amerindians because this area includes many riverain areas and not just Linden.  So this means that the PPP did even worse among the bauxite workers.  In fact 2015 showed almost record voter turnout.

Apparently the beating that I used to give you continue to prevent you from thinking clearly.  If you direct posts at me I will continue to treat you like the pathetic idiot that you are.  Go play with Nehru!

Whattax.

Django
caribny posted: 

Why did bauxite workers consider Jagdeo to be "father of the nation" when in NO election did the PPP win more than 20% of the votes in region 10?   You repeat what some starving PPP milk drinker said when Jagdeo visited.  Obviously few bauxite workers agreed with him, based on the thrashings that the PPP has received in virtually every single election.

I will remind you that 10% of the population are Amerindians because this area includes many riverain areas and not just Linden.  So this means that the PPP did even worse among the bauxite workers.  In fact 2015 showed almost record voter turnout.

Apparently the beating that I used to give you continue to prevent you from thinking clearly.  If you direct posts at me I will continue to treat you like the pathetic idiot that you are.  Go play with Nehru!

You know very well this topic and the people of Linden at the time who called Jagdeo the father of the nation. In fact one blackman mentioned that PPP give milk while PNC gave black tea. Don't play stupidie with your forgetful self. 

FM

These topics must be discussed during the next election and the PPP must bring up these injustices that Indos and Natives Face. 

PNC is displaying blatant pre 1992 racism and they try to label anyone who challenges them. The are labelling all Indos as wife abusers, thieves and drug smugglers and Indos do not dare bring up Social Ills, it is branded as racist. 

They are branding Indos and when Indos fight back, they are muzzled PNC Apartheid style. 

Look at how Broomes have been shielded by Granger despite her attacking and harassing Security Personnel. I am sure that she will be in charge of securing Ballot Boxes.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. PPP must NOT waste their time and resources on certain group of voters and focus on the Native Votes and a few Douglas and they will cross the line with a Massive Indo turnout.

In the meanwhile, Linden continues to receive Billions in subsidies and now this news of massive subsidies and assistance exclusive to Afros only.

Sugar workers and their families are going to bed hungry belly and white mouth is returning pre 1992.

Time to speak out !!!!! PNC pre 1992 Apartheid has returned !!!!!!!

FM
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what is it about the PPP that their partially educated surrogates feel the need to LIE straight up without reflection or pause with infantile 'arguments' a Seventh-Grade child can shred with minimal effort?

. . . RACE BAIT being the (Goebbelsian) go-to comfort zone for this particular specie of retard political vermin

i have not seen this phenomenon manifested in ANY other political party in Guyana

another 5 years in the political wilderness will jump start the cleanse

FM
yuji22 posted:

And when CNN's Don Lemon talks about 72 percent Afors births are out of wedlock, all you vex up and swell up all you mouth:

so . . . who "vex and swell up [dem] mouth"?

little child, stop fantasizing that you important

obviously you not getting enuf 'respect' at home . . . but this is really not the place to compensate

other than that, what's your point?

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...loan foh afro business but coolie is not foh army...hey hey hey...look all dem ROAR coolie jumbie and coolie bank na give dem peopkle loan money...hey hey hey...one love do gooder Mr Ronan muss be celebrate since dem coolie bank doan give dem black peopkle money...hey hey hey...

Who stop them bhai ?? maybe you can write wan paper on the recruiting methods that stymied their enrollment.

Django, let me tell you this. I had a high school friend from one of the villages(I think 67 or 68). He was 5' 10". He passed a couple subjects GCE and applied for a job in the police force. He never heard from them. What does that tell you?

Since he has couple subjects GCE, then he was overqualified for the police force.

Bibi Haniffa

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