According to the PNC apologist and spin man, Carib:

Racist Harmon, Granger and Williams are Gods.

seignet posted:

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To be specific, the Luckhoos wanted to bring in more indentures into the colony. I do not believe it was their intentions to marginalized the Amerindians, the Negroes or the Coloreds..

 

 

 

 

 

The rationale for bringing in more indentures wasn't a function of BG having a labor shortage.   With ample supplies of Indian indentures, and blacks from Guyana and Barbados, clearly the motivation was to ensure that the Indian population was the majority.  It wasn't that additional labor was needed.  This wasn't 1848 when one could have argued that labor was in short supply.

Even in 2017 many legitimately wonder what % of Indo Guyanese have an identity that embraces a notion of a multi cultural Guyana, where they have strong bonds with other groups, and where being "Guyanese" should dominate over one's ethnic identity.  Whether they have a  mindset that embraces inclusiveness and empathy for Guyanese without regard to race.

I can well imagine in 1915, when most of the Indians were born in India and had scant interest or ability to interact with others, there would have been widespread panic among both the colored and the blacks that they risked replacing a white massa for an Indian one. This if Indians outnumbered and politically dominated Guyana.  And in fact we did see this under PPP rule.  

yuji22 posted:

According to the PNC apologist and spin man, Carib:

Racist Harmon, Granger and Williams are Gods.

 

I see that the Indo KKK continues to invent lies to disguise their own racism. Calling Mars "Afrocentric" when it isn't even clear whether he identifies as being black, and calling me a PNC apologist when scarcely a positive note about that party emanates from me. And even as it was acknowledged that I admit that the PNC was racist towards Indians, and I am adamant that they destroyed Afro Guyanese.

yuji22 posted:

 

This now leads to my question, should Guyana not have a Truth Commission like they did in South Africa to heal old wounds that are like a massive sore for Afros and Indos ?

Please chime in and please let us keep this discussion civil.

 

You don't want a Truth Commission. You want blacks and the PNC to be punished.

Just let there be any discussion of PPP racist tactics to be revealed and you will squeal "black man a kill ahbe" and wail that blacks did better under the PPP than did Indians.

We cannot have a Truth Commission because we don't even agree as to what the "truth" is.  It was easier in South Africa as it was clear which entities were to blame.  The only issue is whether a lowly white policeman should be punished when he was merely following orders.

VVP posted:

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I think you are saying that ethic tension is driven by races-based politics, which I agree with.

 

I used the term institutional instead of political as racial insecurities extend into the private sector as well. In the opinion of blacks Indians will show bias against them in favor of Indians wherever they have clout, even if merely as a manager in a company which isn't Indian owned.

If Guyanese insist in confining the problem as political it will never be resolved. Politicians go where the votes are, and if the vote is one based on racial insecurity then the political system will respond to this.

When a black person can work for Muneshwers Ltd and can expect to be treated based on his/her merits and not see less competent Indians be promoted ahead of them then we will see some progress.  At that point he/she will stop recoiling in terror at the notion of an Indian president. 

caribny posted:

 

When a black person can work for Muneshwers Ltd and can expect to be treated based on his/her merits and not see less competent Indians be promoted ahead of them then we will see some progress.  At that point he/she will stop recoiling in terror at the notion of an Indian president. 

You cannot force a private company to hire anyone.  The private sector should be looking for the best person but whoever they select is up to them.

What they need to start with is the public sector and ensure that the most suitable person get the position regardless of race.  This is not the case in Guyana and it is a major problem.

caribny posted:

seignet posted:

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To be specific, the Luckhoos wanted to bring in more indentures into the colony. I do not believe it was their intentions to marginalized the Amerindians, the Negroes or the Coloreds..

 

 

 

 

 

The rationale for bringing in more indentures wasn't a function of BG having a labor shortage.   With ample supplies of Indian indentures, and blacks from Guyana and Barbados, clearly the motivation was to ensure that the Indian population was the majority.  It wasn't that additional labor was needed.  This wasn't 1848 when one could have argued that labor was in short supply.

Even in 2017 many legitimately wonder what % of Indo Guyanese have an identity that embraces a notion of a multi cultural Guyana, where they have strong bonds with other groups, and where being "Guyanese" should dominate over one's ethnic identity.  Whether they have a  mindset that embraces inclusiveness and empathy for Guyanese without regard to race.

I can well imagine in 1915, when most of the Indians were born in India and had scant interest or ability to interact with others, there would have been widespread panic among both the colored and the blacks that they risked replacing a white massa for an Indian one. This if Indians outnumbered and politically dominated Guyana.  And in fact we did see this under PPP rule.  

In the nineteen hundreds India endured alot famines, and always did. Suh, the Luckhoos thought of easing the deprivation of few by bringing them to BG. Today, it is called humanitarian. I doan think Indo domination was on their mind. Besides, back then, the buccra ran everything, who would believe back then they would relinquish control of the colony. The Indians were in servitude, the blacks were the teachers, nurses, and many other uppity jobs, the coloreds were the adminstrators of the colony and the Amerindians were in the bush.

VVP posted:

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You cannot force a private company to hire anyone.

So then we will continue to have a race problem. The public sector CANNOT hire every one looking for employment, so if the private sector peddles racism then those who are discriminated against will resent those who are doing the discriminating.

You are NOT serious about wanting a solution to this problem if you do not insist that when the private sector hires people race should NOT be a consideration. 

seignet posted:

 

In the nineteen hundreds India endured alot famines, and always did. Suh, the Luckhoos thought of easing the deprivation of few by bringing them to BG. Today, it is called humanitarian. I doan think Indo domination was on their mind. Besides, back then, the buccra ran everything, who would believe back then they would relinquish control of the colony. The Indians were in servitude, the blacks were the teachers, nurses, and many other uppity jobs, the coloreds were the adminstrators of the colony and the Amerindians were in the bush.

Well it was and at the time the black/colored as well as the Indian elites were jockeying to end white domination of Guyana.  Rather than working with the black/coloreds the Indian elites wanted to turn British Guiana into an Indian colony.

Indenture was also ended around that time because it was NOT a humanitarian system.

caribny posted:

seignet posted:

 

In the nineteen hundreds India endured alot famines, and always did. Suh, the Luckhoos thought of easing the deprivation of few by bringing them to BG. Today, it is called humanitarian. I doan think Indo domination was on their mind. Besides, back then, the buccra ran everything, who would believe back then they would relinquish control of the colony. The Indians were in servitude, the blacks were the teachers, nurses, and many other uppity jobs, the coloreds were the adminstrators of the colony and the Amerindians were in the bush.

Well it was and at the time the black/colored as well as the Indian elites were jockeying to end white domination of Guyana.  Rather than working with the black/coloreds the Indian elites wanted to turn British Guiana into an Indian colony.

Indenture was also ended around that time because it was NOT a humanitarian system.

Jagan was more interested in unity with the Africans than the Portugese.  He was bitterly opposed to pro-Indian leaders during his time.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

caribny posted:

seignet posted:

 

In the nineteen hundreds India endured alot famines, and always did. Suh, the Luckhoos thought of easing the deprivation of few by bringing them to BG. Today, it is called humanitarian. I doan think Indo domination was on their mind. Besides, back then, the buccra ran everything, who would believe back then they would relinquish control of the colony. The Indians were in servitude, the blacks were the teachers, nurses, and many other uppity jobs, the coloreds were the adminstrators of the colony and the Amerindians were in the bush.

Well it was and at the time the black/colored as well as the Indian elites were jockeying to end white domination of Guyana.  Rather than working with the black/coloreds the Indian elites wanted to turn British Guiana into an Indian colony.

Indenture was also ended around that time because it was NOT a humanitarian system.

Jagan was more interested in unity with the Africans than the Portugese.  He was bitterly opposed to pro-Indian leaders during his time.

This was told to me by one of Jagan's inner circle. A rice farmer from the East Coast Demerara. The Soviet Union offered Jagan weapons. They would refuse some rice shipments and smuggle arms in them. Jagan refused because he didn't want more bloodshed. Some may disagree with that and call him naive but a true leader thinks of his people first. The only similarities between Jagan and Jagdeo are the "Jag" and they are both Indo-Guyanese.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

 

Jagan was more interested in unity with the Africans than the Portugese.  He was bitterly opposed to pro-Indian leaders during his time.

Yes this is evidence of the Burnham/Jagan scam.  They told Guyanese that before their time Guyana had no history and so all you can do is reference them.

Burnham and Jagan stand on the shoulders of people like Critchlow. There was a whole struggle for greater involvement in the running of the colony before either man was even born!

GTAngler posted:

 

This was told to me by one of Jagan's inner circle. A rice farmer from the East Coast Demerara. The Soviet Union offered Jagan weapons. They would refuse some rice shipments and smuggle arms in them. Jagan refused because he didn't want more bloodshed. Some may disagree with that and call him naive but a true leader thinks of his people first. The only similarities between Jagan and Jagdeo are the "Jag" and they are both Indo-Guyanese.

Total nonsense. By the time the 60s rolled around the Indian elites were already embedded in the PPP following the apan jhat votes of 1961 and 1957.

PYO operatives were sent to Cuba for training and weapons were shipped to the PPP from Castro.   This is just as how the PNC/UF received weapons from the CIA.

And to show how ridiculous you look why would the USSR liaise with the potentially reactionary anti communist rice farmer when there were a whole cadre of PYO operatives who they had already trained?  Jagan sent them to Cuba for training in the use of covert violent tactics, bomb making, etc.

Jagan wanted power. In 1964 it was agreed by the British that elections would occur under the new PR rules.

Jagan feared that he would lose this election as it was evident that the PNC and the UF would coalesce afterward.  He wanted to delay the elections and unleashed a reign of violence to achieve that goal. Just as the PNC and the UF did in 1962/3 when they wanted to set up the conditions were an early election under new rules would occur.

Please disabuse yourself of this notion that the PPP were angels. They were every bit as dirty and violent and power obsessed as was the PNC and the UF.  Your elders fooled you, and you aren't sensible enough to understand that in any struggle the truth lies in between what either side says.

caribny posted:

GTAngler posted:

 

This was told to me by one of Jagan's inner circle. A rice farmer from the East Coast Demerara. The Soviet Union offered Jagan weapons. They would refuse some rice shipments and smuggle arms in them. Jagan refused because he didn't want more bloodshed. Some may disagree with that and call him naive but a true leader thinks of his people first. The only similarities between Jagan and Jagdeo are the "Jag" and they are both Indo-Guyanese.

Total nonsense. By the time the 60s rolled around the Indian elites were already embedded in the PPP following the apan jhat votes of 1961 and 1957.

PYO operatives were sent to Cuba for training and weapons were shipped to the PPP from Castro.   This is just as how the PNC/UF received weapons from the CIA.

And to show how ridiculous you look why would the USSR liaise with the potentially reactionary anti communist rice farmer when there were a whole cadre of PYO operatives who they had already trained?  Jagan sent them to Cuba for training in the use of covert violent tactics, bomb making, etc.

Jagan wanted power. In 1964 it was agreed by the British that elections would occur under the new PR rules.

Jagan feared that he would lose this election as it was evident that the PNC and the UF would coalesce afterward.  He wanted to delay the elections and unleashed a reign of violence to achieve that goal. Just as the PNC and the UF did in 1962/3 when they wanted to set up the conditions were an early election under new rules would occur.

Please disabuse yourself of this notion that the PPP were angels. They were every bit as dirty and violent and power obsessed as was the PNC and the UF.  Your elders fooled you, and you aren't sensible enough to understand that in any struggle the truth lies in between what either side says.

When I come at you in response, must cry like a little girl again that I made personal attacks. Show me where I said the PPP were angels. I also specifically said Jagan meaning Cheddi. We had a short lived respite from your idiocy but I can see you're back. As usual you just read what you wanted. This was a story passed on to me by a now deceased old man.

GTAngler posted:

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When I come at you in response, must cry like a little girl again that I made personal attacks. Show me where I said the PPP were angels. I also specifically said Jagan meaning Cheddi. We had a short lived respite from your idiocy but I can see you're back. As usual you just read what you wanted. This was a story passed on to me by a now deceased old man.

I really didn't care that you called me a pig and a dog, as that reflected more on you. AT what point have I ever used that language to describe you?

You referred to the PPP as angels right above by implying that orders for violence didn't come straight from Cheddi's mouth, or that if he didn't order it he certainly didn't stop it.

Please don't tell me that you really think that Cheddi didn't know that some PYO were sent to Cuba for training in terrorism.

I note that I am an idiot, in your mind because you object to me educating you on the fact that the PPP and Cheddi were no more angelic during the 60s than was Burnham, Hammie Green or Peter D'Aguiar. Rice shipments went to Cuba and returned with guns. FACT. They ALL had blood on their ends and it takes a special kind of idiot to claim otherwise.

Now some dead black man might have told me that Burnham loved PPP Indians. Does this mean that I will believe him?  The fact that some dead relative of yours told you blatantly lies suggest that if you believed what they said without further investigation then indeed you are an idiot.

And GTAngler every time you come to me with some bullshyte that Cheddi was this angel in 1964 I will hammer you.

VVP posted:

caribny posted:

 

When a black person can work for Muneshwers Ltd and can expect to be treated based on his/her merits and not see less competent Indians be promoted ahead of them then we will see some progress.  At that point he/she will stop recoiling in terror at the notion of an Indian president. 

You cannot force a private company to hire anyone.  The private sector should be looking for the best person but whoever they select is up to them.

What they need to start with is the public sector and ensure that the most suitable person get the position regardless of race.  This is not the case in Guyana and it is a major problem.

One may not be able to force a private company to do anything but if the company is receiving government contracts as this one is then they must comply with the state's employment guidelines. I do not have evidence of their hiring practices but if as he says there is not ethnic diversity there then they should not be engaging in government bids etc.

Prashad posted:

Racial conflicts will increase as the East Indian population decrease.

Quite the contrary, racial conflict will decrease as Indians are effectively ethnically cleansed and no longer a threat to Afro domination.  And the day is upon us.  The PNC has been handed this on a silver platter with the Sugar industry which they will gut an force Indians out to seek jobs elsewhere.  The PPP is partially to blame with their lack for foresight and strategy to deal with their constituency as this industry declines!  BJ tried to keep a dying old man breathing, Granger will pull the plug!

GTAngler posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

caribny posted:

seignet posted:

 

In the nineteen hundreds India endured alot famines, and always did. Suh, the Luckhoos thought of easing the deprivation of few by bringing them to BG. Today, it is called humanitarian. I doan think Indo domination was on their mind. Besides, back then, the buccra ran everything, who would believe back then they would relinquish control of the colony. The Indians were in servitude, the blacks were the teachers, nurses, and many other uppity jobs, the coloreds were the adminstrators of the colony and the Amerindians were in the bush.

Well it was and at the time the black/colored as well as the Indian elites were jockeying to end white domination of Guyana.  Rather than working with the black/coloreds the Indian elites wanted to turn British Guiana into an Indian colony.

Indenture was also ended around that time because it was NOT a humanitarian system.

Jagan was more interested in unity with the Africans than the Portugese.  He was bitterly opposed to pro-Indian leaders during his time.

This was told to me by one of Jagan's inner circle. A rice farmer from the East Coast Demerara. The Soviet Union offered Jagan weapons. They would refuse some rice shipments and smuggle arms in them. Jagan refused because he didn't want more bloodshed. Some may disagree with that and call him naive but a true leader thinks of his people first. The only similarities between Jagan and Jagdeo are the "Jag" and they are both Indo-Guyanese.

Jagan was a loud-mouthed whimp, the opinion of my uncles who were close to him.  The only people he was good at cussing were the Americans and Brits!

caribny posted:

VVP posted:

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You cannot force a private company to hire anyone.

So then we will continue to have a race problem. The public sector CANNOT hire every one looking for employment, so if the private sector peddles racism then those who are discriminated against will resent those who are doing the discriminating.

You are NOT serious about wanting a solution to this problem if you do not insist that when the private sector hires people race should NOT be a consideration. 

The private sector must hire all races just like we expect the Afro dominated GPF/GDF to serve and protect all races.  I like what my relatives are doing there.  Walk into their businesses, all races working reflecting the make-up of Guyana.  In fact, one of my relatives indicated that Blacks are loyal, much more than Indians!

ba$eman posted:

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The private sector must hire all races just like we expect the Afro dominated GPF/GDF to serve and protect all races.  I like what my relatives are doing there.  Walk into their businesses, all races working reflecting the make-up of Guyana.  In fact, one of my relatives indicated that Blacks are loyal, much more than Indians!

Blacks were crowded at the bottom level during the PPP era. No doubt that might have changed as private companies no longer feel that they will be protected in their racism by the PPP.

The fact that the GDF/GPF remains majority black is a question that you ought to address to the PPP. Cheddi tried to get them to join. Was very upset when every now class of recruits had MORE Amerindians than East Indians.   You cannot take a horse and force him to drink. Most blacks don't want to plant rice and most Indians don't want to join the disciplined forces.

On the other hand most Guyanese do want office jobs and the opportunity to be promoted into management slots if they merit this.

caribny posted:

VVP posted:

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You cannot force a private company to hire anyone.

So then we will continue to have a race problem. The public sector CANNOT hire every one looking for employment, so if the private sector peddles racism then those who are discriminated against will resent those who are doing the discriminating.

You are NOT serious about wanting a solution to this problem if you do not insist that when the private sector hires people race should NOT be a consideration. 

Nobody should/could insist on who the private sector should hire, unless as D2 said, it's for a government contract.  

Top positions in the public sector should be filled with the best candidate regardless of race.  That's the basis for an inclusive government.  That is NOT happening under the PPP and coalition.  That where you have to start so all races could have a sense of belonging.

VVP posted:

 

Nobody should/could insist on who the private sector should hire, unless as D2 said, it's for a government contract.  

 

So we need to stop talking about improving race relations in Guyana. Indians will hire Indians except for the low level jobs, and will promote Indians over blacks, based not on merit, but on ethnic affilations. Blacks will then continue to distrust Indians thinking that;

1.  the goal of Indians is to throw them on the bread line AND

2.  Indians are clannish and racialist.

If you think that your average Guyanese cares for more than what goes into their own pockets you are mistaken. Guyanese are like every one else. What interests them is what benefits them and if it doesn't benefit them they don't care. 

So if one side thinks that the other side wants to starve them then none of the political posturing will matter. It is clear that the public sector cannot cater to the employment needs of the entire population, nor should it.

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

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The private sector must hire all races just like we expect the Afro dominated GPF/GDF to serve and protect all races.  I like what my relatives are doing there.  Walk into their businesses, all races working reflecting the make-up of Guyana.  In fact, one of my relatives indicated that Blacks are loyal, much more than Indians!

Blacks were crowded at the bottom level during the PPP era. No doubt that might have changed as private companies no longer feel that they will be protected in their racism by the PPP.

The fact that the GDF/GPF remains majority black is a question that you ought to address to the PPP. Cheddi tried to get them to join. Was very upset when every now class of recruits had MORE Amerindians than East Indians.   You cannot take a horse and force him to drink. Most blacks don't want to plant rice and most Indians don't want to join the disciplined forces.

On the other hand most Guyanese do want office jobs and the opportunity to be promoted into management slots if they merit this.

As expected, not you have the "coolie" boogie man to point your little dirty fingers to regarding the Afro plight.  You also blamed Burnham for not "teaching" Blacks to compete with Indians.  You are a sorrowful excuse and even your own Afros would be ashamed at your concoctions.  Shameless man!!

caribny posted:

VVP posted:

 

Nobody should/could insist on who the private sector should hire, unless as D2 said, it's for a government contract.  

 

So we need to stop talking about improving race relations in Guyana. Indians will hire Indians except for the low level jobs, and will promote Indians over blacks, based not on merit, but on ethnic affilations. Blacks will then continue to distrust Indians thinking that;

1.  the goal of Indians is to throw them on the bread line AND

2.  Indians are clannish and racialist.

If you think that your average Guyanese cares for more than what goes into their own pockets you are mistaken. Guyanese are like every one else. What interests them is what benefits them and if it doesn't benefit them they don't care. 

So if one side thinks that the other side wants to starve them then none of the political posturing will matter. It is clear that the public sector cannot cater to the employment needs of the entire population, nor should it.

You with your racist shit again.  Banna, you are hopeless, only biology can cure your mental shit disease!

caribny posted:

seignet posted:

 

In the nineteen hundreds India endured alot famines, and always did. Suh, the Luckhoos thought of easing the deprivation of few by bringing them to BG. Today, it is called humanitarian. I doan think Indo domination was on their mind. Besides, back then, the buccra ran everything, who would believe back then they would relinquish control of the colony. The Indians were in servitude, the blacks were the teachers, nurses, and many other uppity jobs, the coloreds were the adminstrators of the colony and the Amerindians were in the bush.

Well it was and at the time the black/colored as well as the Indian elites were jockeying to end white domination of Guyana.  Rather than working with the black/coloreds the Indian elites wanted to turn British Guiana into an Indian colony.

Indenture was also ended around that time because it was NOT a humanitarian system.

This type of bull sh-t thinking is at the foundation of racist hate against koolie by some. But I would not the carib with the bunch.

Prashad posted:

caribny posted:

seignet posted:

 

In the nineteen hundreds India endured alot famines, and always did. Suh, the Luckhoos thought of easing the deprivation of few by bringing them to BG. Today, it is called humanitarian. I doan think Indo domination was on their mind. Besides, back then, the buccra ran everything, who would believe back then they would relinquish control of the colony. The Indians were in servitude, the blacks were the teachers, nurses, and many other uppity jobs, the coloreds were the adminstrators of the colony and the Amerindians were in the bush.

Well it was and at the time the black/colored as well as the Indian elites were jockeying to end white domination of Guyana.  Rather than working with the black/coloreds the Indian elites wanted to turn British Guiana into an Indian colony.

Indenture was also ended around that time because it was NOT a humanitarian system.

This type of bull sh-t thinking is at the foundation of racist hate against koolie by some. But I would not the carib with the bunch.

 

I have to agree. The PNC apologist Carib spews a great deal of Indo hate at GNI. He has a crowd sheering him on. We must stand up and defend against his blatant racism.

yuji22 posted:

I have to agree. The PNC apologist Carib spews a great deal of Indo hate at GNI. He has a crowd sheering him on. We must stand up and defend against his blatant racism.

We must stand up and defend against everyone's blatant racism.

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

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As expected, not you have the "coolie" boogie man to point your little dirty fingers to regarding the Afro plight.  You also blamed Burnham for not "teaching" Blacks to compete with Indians.  You are a sorrowful excuse and even your own Afros would be ashamed at your concoctions.  Shameless man!!

I find it interesting that a Guyanese Indian will be very opposed to racism directed against him  at his job in North America but sees nothing wrong with it in Guyana, provided that its blacks who suffer.

Now as to Burnham. Yes Indians have proven themselves to be clannish. The first thing that former slaves did was to attempt to be economically dependent by establishing farming communities and small businesses.  the colonial authorities, fearing that an economically dynamic black population would be a threat to their dominance, set out to destroy these activities. 

The result being a people who were afraid of risk and dependent on the state, or on others for employment.  If Burnham really cared for his base he would have address this problem.  Instead he FURTHER undermined black economic independence and so when the PPP took over blacks were marginalized.

We see people hear advocating that businesses should hire they wish, engaging in discrimination if that is their desire.  This isn't a shock as it is known that Indians are ethnocentric, and seem unable to function within multi ethnic communities.

Prashad posted:

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This type of bull sh-t thinking is at the foundation of racist hate against koolie by some. But I would not the carib with the bunch.

 

This is interesting.  A bunch of immigrants enter a society. They want to encourage other immigrants in so that they can out number the local population, in order to COMPLETELY DOMINATE.

According to you any one objecting to this is "anti koolie". 

Now a reasonable person would have suggested that this immigrant community, once it had decided to remain in Guyana, would instead focus on cooperating with the majority of the local population who also faced oppression by a colonial minority. That way BOTH groups would benefit.

But instead you advocate support for this immigrant group sweeping aside the local group and attempting to seize power for itself.  You see this is why people don't trust Indians.   This mentality is quite pervasive and Indians refuse to debate as to why others have the opinions of them that they do.

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

VVP posted:

 

Nobody should/could insist on who the private sector should hire, unless as D2 said, it's for a government contract.  

 

So we need to stop talking about improving race relations in Guyana. Indians will hire Indians except for the low level jobs, and will promote Indians over blacks, based not on merit, but on ethnic affilations. Blacks will then continue to distrust Indians thinking that;

1.  the goal of Indians is to throw them on the bread line AND

2.  Indians are clannish and racialist.

If you think that your average Guyanese cares for more than what goes into their own pockets you are mistaken. Guyanese are like every one else. What interests them is what benefits them and if it doesn't benefit them they don't care. 

So if one side thinks that the other side wants to starve them then none of the political posturing will matter. It is clear that the public sector cannot cater to the employment needs of the entire population, nor should it.

You with your racist shit again.  Banna, you are hopeless, only biology can cure your mental shit disease!

Again another advocate for Indians who have the power to hire only hiring other Indians and excluding others. When this is exposed then you scream RACE!

Might it not have been better for you to suggest that if indeed Indians who have the power to hire do so on the basis of race instead of merit should cease doing so!

No instead you join the brigade of those who say that people can hire who they want, with the implication that if they hire based on race there is NOTHING wrong with that!

And then you have the balls to wonder why we have a race problem in Guyana!

Caribny,

Answer these questions:

How many people are employed by:

1) Public sector/government?

2) Private sector?

3) Indian owned businesses?

For each give a breakdown of % by race.

If you cannot get official numbers what would be your guess?

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

I find it interesting that a Guyanese Indian will be very opposed to racism directed against him  at his job in North America but sees nothing wrong with it in Guyana, provided that its blacks who suffer.

Now as to Burnham. Yes Indians have proven themselves to be clannish. The first thing that former slaves did was to attempt to be economically dependent by establishing farming communities and small businesses.  the colonial authorities, fearing that an economically dynamic black population would be a threat to their dominance, set out to destroy these activities. 

The result being a people who were afraid of risk and dependent on the state, or on others for employment.  If Burnham really cared for his base he would have address this problem.  Instead he FURTHER undermined black economic independence and so when the PPP took over blacks were marginalized.

We see people hear advocating that businesses should hire they wish, engaging in discrimination if that is their desire.  This isn't a shock as it is known that Indians are ethnocentric, and seem unable to function within multi ethnic communities.

 

Indians are clannish because they don't trust blacks the same way blacks don't trust Indians. You do not want to face the truth.
Burnham gave his base, the blacks every chance to better themselves at the expense of the Indians. The blacks then, believed that they, the PNC would rule for life and they can continue to depend on the entitlements which the PNC gave them. As you can see the Indians were not discouraged but took their punishment without crying marginalization.SO WHEN THE PPP TOOK OVER AND THE BLACKS HAD TO WORK FOR A LIVING, THEY SQUEAL MARGINALIZATION. There is no substitution for hard work.

I've been saying that Carib is a Black Nationalist with an agenda to subjugate the Indo-Guyanese population.  Developing Guyana's economy and increasing the country's living standard are on the back burners when it comes to political dominance.  Just observe how vociferous he is on this issue of Race

VVP posted:

Caribny,

Answer these questions:

How many people are employed by:

1) Public sector/government?

2) Private sector?

3) Indian owned businesses?

For each give a breakdown of % by race.

If you cannot get official numbers what would be your guess?

 

Public sector employment, including the army is not even 20k people. Clearly even if  it was 100% black it isn't enough to hire every black person.  And clearly it isn't only blacks who work there.

So clearly the majority will need to find work within the private sector, which you know is disproportionately Indian owned.  That isn't the issue.   It is clear why its disproportionately Indian owned as a cursory examination of Guyanese history will indicate why.  Its the same reason why most public servants have been black since 1880.

The concern arises when an Indian owner or an Indian HR person hires on the basis  of race.  Its the perception of most blacks that the answer is that they do, especially for more desirable jobs. 

I already wrote of an Indian HR man in a Trinidadian owned company hiring 30 people, only 5 being black.  In G/T I will find it hard to believe that such a low % of blacks makes sense and clearly some bias is there. New Building Society some time ago not one black was in a management slot.  And others can find other examples.  I have heard complaints even about DDL where they claim that Indians get clear preference for promotions.

You want to know what solves the racial problem. Well if blacks feel that Indians discriminate against them and engage in clannish behavior then they may well behave in manners that Indians consider to be hostile.

Now if you don't want to deal with this perception then don't bother to query about how we can deal with our race situation. 

If you think that Keith Smith or Jennifer Williams cares about the constitution you are crazy. What they care about is whether they will be treated fairly by the public AND private sectors in terms of jobs or supply contracts.  If they think that Indians are favoring other Indians then they will resent Indians.

Indian business derive profits from operating within multi ethnic Guyana.  It isn't just Indians who generate money for these business owners.  So they cannot then feel that they can only hire Indians for the better jobs, or only source contracts with other Indians.

Guyana is a multi ethnic nation so there is no room for little tribal fiefdoms!

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

I've been saying that Carib is a Black Nationalist with an agenda to subjugate the Indo-Guyanese population.  

OK so an Indian can make money from selling to blacks but its OK if he only hires them to be security guards and cashiers. If I object I am being "black nationalist".

skeldon_man posted:

 

Indians are clannish because they don't trust blacks the same way blacks don't trust Indians.

If you think that Burnham gave his base every opportunity to then you consider Burnham a great man.  I am at a loss to understand how promoting incompetent soup lickers instead of rewarding enterprise can be seen as helping his base.  Colonial actions which destroyed black enterprise and reduced them to being dependent on others for work aren't rectified by making them even MORE dependent on the state, which Burnham did, when he promoted socialism instead of black capitalism.

Burnham was no more interested in a class of independent blacks emerging than were the white colonialists and planters. Like them he wanted blacks to remain dependent.

Any way it appears as if those who pretend that they wish the racial problem to end merely pretend.  Just understand that the Indian population is dwindling and that the vast majority of mixed people do NOT vote PPP. In fact its this mixed vote that delivered APNU/AFC 2 years ago. 

And don't squeal about douglas. In Trinidad where Afro vs. Indo hostilities are less and more douglas exist 2/3 of the mixed identified aren't dougla. When I see that most of the most people in Guyana are in Region 4 or in the interior I come to the conclusion that douglas will account for even a smaller % of the population in Guyana.

So continue to think that Indians can benefit within a racially divided nation.

Feel free to continue your "black man lazy" screams as well.

caribny posted:

VVP posted:

Caribny,

Answer these questions:

How many people are employed by:

1) Public sector/government?

2) Private sector?

3) Indian owned businesses?

For each give a breakdown of % by race.

If you cannot get official numbers what would be your guess?

 

Public sector employment, including the army is not even 20k people. Clearly even if  it was 100% black it isn't enough to hire every black person.  And clearly it isn't only blacks who work there.

 

So the salary and other benefits of this 20K is $161 billion per the budget?  I think you got the 20k from your backside.

I will read your other stuff later.

This was in 2000

By the way Caribny, most Indian owned businesses are family run small businesses. The major ones that hire people that I could think of are Kissoon, Toolsie Persaud, Muneshwar, ...who else?  I don't think people like BK have a big staff.