alyuh two disappoint me [i really didn't think it was possible]

soo . . . cobra/nerhu and other GNI posters devoid of politics and infected with the incurable beast of racism need to be 'catered to' for democratic change to become a reality in Guyana . . . seriously?

reversing evolution and bringing ignorant knuckle-draggers along is a bridge too far for me

that's not why i post here

smh

Redux, you noticed that the contributions from the cobra/nehru viewpoints are minimal. This is a grown-up conversation and I would urge you to keep the emotions out of it. We're doing well so far. These game-changing admission by the PNC of today and an outreach by the Ramoutar-PPP to the AFC can bring enormous change.

Let's not be naive Kzaaz. The PPP of Jagdeo wanted no part of a Ramjaaataaan (to borrow Nehru's intonation) AFC. You have to live in Guyana to understand these political dynamics. I don't live there but I know how to parse the tea leaves when people talk to me.

Redux, you noticed that the contributions from the cobra/nehru viewpoints are minimal. This is a grown-up conversation and I would urge you to keep the emotions out of it. We're doing well so far. These game-changing admission by the PNC of today and an outreach by the Ramoutar-PPP to the AFC can bring enormous change.

banna, is u bring them into the conversation . . . not me

Prologue

Mark Cuban talks about walking on the other side of the road when seeing a black youth with a hoodie in the darkness of night. You then hear the retort that a white guy in a suit can be more harmful as well as a white bald-headed dude with a tattoo. We are all too familiar with racial distrust because of unfamiliarity, and the Korean/Black stand-off in LA and New York in the 80s is a case in point. Then of course Indians with Turbans felt it just after 9/11.

The point is that when we are unfamiliar with something we tend to have an instinctual distrust until we become familiar with it. Likewise we overcome skepticism with change once we experience it.

The problem with the PNC brand

Indians say that the PNC will revert to Burnham days when they hear the acronym APNU, and this is the case with unfamiliarity. Not that Indians are unfamiliar with the PNC, but unfamiliar with CHANGE within the PNC. The brand is toxic – both to Indians as well as Blacks. Winning Blacks is not the problem. It is winning over Indians. Indians will continue to distrust the APNU as long as they are unfamiliar with the new PNC and they are skeptical about the change in the PNC.

The PNC’s leadership issue

You either believe that Robert Corbin sold out the PNC’s change to Jagdeo’s charm offensive or he buckled under the relentless pressure of the FF/Phantom reality. You must know that a force for change Winston Murray was cut short early. Enter Granger.

David Granger is a decent man. He was a low-level officer during the 1973 elections. I trained as a QC Cadet at Timehri in the summer of 1973 and my recollection may be bad, but I believe he was stationed there. I also know that the low-level officer level had a disconnect with the upper Brass in Burnham’s clutches. He is a QC Old Boy and has a strong intellectual tradition. He is not a thug, to use the parlance of some on this GNI Board.

The PPP Free Pass

I believe that with a strong Opposition the PPP will be a better party – visionary leadership, professionalism and a flourish for technology, all of which a re lacking. We accept mediocrity because of a distrust of an opposition brand that refuses to have a do-over.

Hoyte had a wonderful opportunity. His trust of Indian professionals and Indian economic ethic was already recognized. All he had to do was to apologize to the country as a whole – to Blacks for impoverishing them, and to Indians for the denial of certain freedoms and to the country as a whole for bankrupting the economy. Hee demurred. Corbin was bought over. Granger needs the cahones to compliment his nice character and professionalism.

Here’s the rub. The PNC is not monolithic. There are factional rivalries. Hoyte may have been thrown out of the PNC, even after banishing Hammy Green. Oh, how little did Hoyte capitalize on the economic liberalism, freedom from the Burnham shackles and the lethal assault on the kick-down-0the-door banditry.

Granger can call on liberals in the party – like Carl Greenidge, himself a respected Economist – to rebrand the PNC. Maybe internal PNC politics dooms APNU.

Meanwhile Jagdeo grasped the PPP by the scruff of the neck while Moses was on sabbatical – forced and unforced – and remade the PPP. He can make the PPP an autocratic, oligopolistic party and stifle economic advancement, and he gets a free pass. The PNC guarantees that.

Granger's visit to Richmond Hil

Yesterday I couldn’t make time to see Granger at Ritchie Rich or the private dinner later – had other pressing commitments. We have come a long way where any Guyanese can go to any political party function abroad and not be vilified. Of course there are those antiquarian folks on this Board who would demonize anyone  who would think of doing that – but they are a vanishing majority. From the feedback I’ve gotten so far, the point was made to Granger that his ROI (Return on Investment) for reaching out to the Indian polity will not pay dividends until the PNC apologizes to the nation – to Blacks, Indians, Indigenous and other races. The PPP needs this investment Granger. It will make them a better party. Heck, we may even have a governing party and Presidency other than the reckless meandering one we are forced to subscribe to.

As usual, it doesn't take long for you to get emotionally out of control. You may be able to extend your lifespan if you avoid discussions that are out of your league. You sound old and crotchety again.

freudian projection rears its iluminating head once again

Prologue

Mark Cuban talks about walking on the other side of the road when seeing a black youth with a hoodie in the darkness of night. You then hear the retort that a white guy in a suit can be more harmful as well as a white bald-headed dude with a tattoo. We are all too familiar with racial distrust because of unfamiliarity, and the Korean/Black stand-off in LA and New York in the 80s is a case in point. Then of course Indians with Turbans felt it just after 9/11.

The point is that when we are unfamiliar with something we tend to have an instinctual distrust until we become familiar with it. Likewise we overcome skepticism with change once we experience it.

The problem with the PNC brand

Indians say that the PNC will revert to Burnham days when they hear the acronym APNU, and this is the case with unfamiliarity. Not that Indians are unfamiliar with the PNC, but unfamiliar with CHANGE within the PNC. The brand is toxic – both to Indians as well as Blacks. Winning Blacks is not the problem. It is winning over Indians. Indians will continue to distrust the APNU as long as they are unfamiliar with the new PNC and they are skeptical about the change in the PNC.

The PNC’s leadership issue

You either believe that Robert Corbin sold out the PNC’s change to Jagdeo’s charm offensive or he buckled under the relentless pressure of the FF/Phantom reality. You must know that a force for change Winston Murray was cut short early. Enter Granger.

David Granger is a decent man. He was a low-level officer during the 1973 elections. I trained as a QC Cadet at Timehri in the summer of 1973 and my recollection may be bad, but I believe he was stationed there. I also know that the low-level officer level had a disconnect with the upper Brass in Burnham’s clutches. He is a QC Old Boy and has a strong intellectual tradition. He is not a thug, to use the parlance of some on this GNI Board.

The PPP Free Pass

I believe that with a strong Opposition the PPP will be a better party – visionary leadership, professionalism and a flourish for technology, all of which a re lacking. We accept mediocrity because of a distrust of an opposition brand that refuses to have a do-over.

Hoyte had a wonderful opportunity. His trust of Indian professionals and Indian economic ethic was already recognized. All he had to do was to apologize to the country as a whole – to Blacks for impoverishing them, and to Indians for the denial of certain freedoms and to the country as a whole for bankrupting the economy. Hee demurred. Corbin was bought over. Granger needs the cahones to compliment his nice character and professionalism.

Here’s the rub. The PNC is not monolithic. There are factional rivalries. Hoyte may have been thrown out of the PNC, even after banishing Hammy Green. Oh, how little did Hoyte capitalize on the economic liberalism, freedom from the Burnham shackles and the lethal assault on the kick-down-0the-door banditry.

Granger can call on liberals in the party – like Carl Greenidge, himself a respected Economist – to rebrand the PNC. Maybe internal PNC politics dooms APNU.

Meanwhile Jagdeo grasped the PPP by the scruff of the neck while Moses was on sabbatical – forced and unforced – and remade the PPP. He can make the PPP an autocratic, oligopolistic party and stifle economic advancement, and he gets a free pass. The PNC guarantees that.

Granger's visit to Richmond Hil

Yesterday I couldn’t make time to see Granger at Ritchie Rich or the private dinner later – had other pressing commitments. We have come a long way where any Guyanese can go to any political party function abroad and not be vilified. Of course there are those antiquarian folks on this Board who would demonize anyone  who would think of doing that – but they are a vanishing majority. From the feedback I’ve gotten so far, the point was made to Granger that his ROI (Return on Investment) for reaching out to the Indian polity will not pay dividends until the PNC apologizes to the nation – to Blacks, Indians, Indigenous and other races. The PPP needs this investment Granger. It will make them a better party. Heck, we may even have a governing party and Presidency other than the reckless meandering one we are forced to subscribe to.

I only focus on you and not them. I seek your dispassionate views, not an enraged on. Emotions are when you're on the campaign trail when you have to change minds. But first you have to understand the dynamics of the possible.

are u denying that i was responding to a nonsense assertion that u made?

also, u and ksazma screaming over and over that i'm 'enraged" and "emotional" in lieu of addressing my facts and argument says more about y'all deficiencies than anything else i can think of rite now

Granger's visit to Richmond Hil

Yesterday I was there and it was a resounding success.

Granger went to the protestors and engaged every one of them and they all shaked his hands and started joking with him.

He gave a flat speech but he broke the ice in the HILL.  Come again Mr. Granger.

I saw Taron. TK, ak Redux ak Kapidilla there.  We actually sat close by but I just know him from pictures.

I did not see Baseman or Jalil or Sase or the AFC boys.

Was a reasonable crowd.

Prologue

Mark Cuban talks about walking on the other side of the road when seeing a black youth with a hoodie in the darkness of night. You then hear the retort that a white guy in a suit can be more harmful as well as a white bald-headed dude with a tattoo. We are all too familiar with racial distrust because of unfamiliarity, and the Korean/Black stand-off in LA and New York in the 80s is a case in point. Then of course Indians with Turbans felt it just after 9/11.

 .......

. It will make them a better party. Heck, we may even have a governing party and Presidency other than the reckless meandering one we are forced to subscribe to.

Kari, Have you seen the behavior, attitudes and actions of the PNC on the Streets and in Parliament over the last few years??  What exactly makes the PNC a NEW, moral, caring and compassionate Group?? Is there something you are aware of that the rest of us are missing?  I asked these questions because many, many of us ARE aware of the PNC conduct and behavior both on the Streets and in Parliament.

Have you seen the behavior of the PPP protestor Nigel Dharamlal and company?

Let me share with you.

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.c...erindiansmeeting.mp3

Thus he is best placed to apologize.

Even I am not pleased with the actions of the PPP Chief but one thing has been constant since 1992. They have not denied any party the free right to replace them in government. The PNC record is the opposite.

I agree again with you Kari, with a strong opposition, the PPP would be a better Government.

But Mr. Granger does not have the belly for a fight.

Yes, Hoyte had a wonderful opportunity but his time in office was too short.

Hoyte was a proud man, he would have never apologize for the excesses of the PNC.

Granger on the other hand was not part of the excesses, HE DOES NOT HAVE blood on his hands like those from the 70's and 80's.

Thus he is best placed to apologize.

But he is not in control of the PNC; Corbin is and Corbin can orchestrate him getting voted out at the drop of a hat.

NO EAST Indian will ever trust Corbin.

Who raped the Hamuman girl in Congress Place when she went to give a bribe to a PNC Minister?

 That is why the PNC need to come clean with an apology.

 That is why the PNC need to come clean with an apology.

please explain how i'm "subscribing" to that!

Burnham is dead . . .

After the 1992 elections, Ted Kennedy apologized to Cheddie Jagan for his brother's and the US' role in the PNC abuse between 1964 & 1992. Obama before being elected president gave a race speech following his pastor's rants. Apology is what decent people do to mend fences. Burnham isn't here anymore but he has successors. It is that person's responsibility since he accepted the role as successor.

beyond cant . . . wandering into illogic, hysteria, low-minded race baiting and ignorance now

Kari and Chief, please come in

After the 1992 elections, Ted Kennedy apologized to Cheddie Jagan for his brother's and the US' role in the PNC abuse between 1964 & 1992. Obama before being elected president gave a race speech following his pastor's rants. Apology is what decent people do to mend fences. Burnham isn't here anymore but he has successors. It is that person's responsibility since he accepted the role as successor.

Redux I do not see anything racist with what Kza wrote.

Remember Burnham surrounded himself with intelligent  Indians such as Ramphal and Shahbudeen in order to write a constitution to enslave the masses.

Richmond Hill, the epicenter of the Guyanese worldwide

Vish, you've been to Flatbush and Church. Why make an assertion like that?

Anyhow I'll have to call you as I've been provided by credible sources of an attempt yesterday championed by you that is below par. I'll explain.

Vish

where is your call for the PPP to apologize ("to mend fences")!??

Kari agree with you 100%.  Mr. Granger is a decent man.  TOO decent for politics against the PPP.  That is why the PPP continues to crush him politically.

The records show that he was a low level officer in 1973 and had no part to play in the murder of the Ballot Box Martyrs.

Burnham is dead . . . "come clean" about what?

alyuh dishonest fellas very selective about who should "apologize" and for what

Who want to hear in what role you were there.

Tell us what the man said.

That will come next. First let us get past the first abuse and then we will demand that the PPP do the same. See I said it. Now are you big enough to do the same? 

Did you think you can count on Vishnu doing anything other than patting his own back.  

 Apologize for every ill that the PNC committed against the Guyanese puclic.

the abuse of the past decade is continuing and the players are alive and active in their evil

only in the mind of a moron or someone completely stripped of any moral moorings could the wickedness of those long dead be a priority over the crimes of those even more wicked being committed TODAY!