It's a cruel cycle all because the two major parties and playing the race card.  It started with the PNC and today the fire is burning brighter with the PPP.

 

Do you now see why a few of us are asking for an apology from the PNC.

 

 

 

Redux can't see that far. He is stuck in his coolie/black confused world.

u seem compelled to 'respond' without actually reading what i posted

 

hmmmm . . .?

You start to sound and behave like the PPP boys. When backed ina corner they respond by saying Iam PNC.

Anyway gentlemen enjoy the rest of the evening have to run to a family get together.

really now? a little beneath u and desperate . . . but whatever

 

now, chief . . . i don't believe u support the wickedness hatched in Freedom House that is soiling the country of my birth

 

unfortunately, like many here, you don't think like a Guyanese . . . at the end of the day, y'all think only like Indo-Guyanese, with all the pathologies associated with the tribal path in a multi-racial society

 

apropos much here . . . Freddie Kissoon is a REAL Guyanese. That's why y'all tribals HATE him so passionately!

You just prove my point that you are no different than the PPP cabals.

not so fast bro . . . my spotlight will follow u no matter where u run

It is about 2 hours now and I want begging, waiting for someone to tell I am most Guyanese what they know, they can site or witnessed to CONVINCE us that the PNC today is different from the one in the 80's. Ow Papa we want to give everyone a FAIR chance. It is a simple question I hope. WE are willing and anxious to work will all sides BUT PLEASE, answer our simple question. And I don't want hear what Al YUh think or what like Ms Cleo Al YUh see in the future.

average IQ of the thread just dropped 20 points

Get off the thread and it will increase 40 points.

Dat Crabdaag don't know better, don't expect him to be any different!!! A PIECE OF RAW SEWAGE like dat must be put to   his rightful place: THE SEWRER!!!

hey punk antiman, aren't u supposed to be busy on a conjugal visit somewhere begging sum imprisoned drug lord to MURDER me?

An apology from the PNC will be a step in the right direction for healing for most Indo Guyanese.

 

AFC cannot form a Government in 100 years, only the PPP and PNC hold the key for national Unity and bridging the racial divide in  Guyana.

For a smart person you can be very confusing. It is pellucid that history cannot repeat itself in the same way except in controlled experiments. The Present PNC exists in a completely different social ethos. 

 

We are in a democracy. The national demographics means they can win without Indian Support. There is no on going cold war with Communist/Capitalist dichotomy. The population is more politically sophisticated an information that took weeks to percolate to the villages get there in under a minute. For these and many other reasons the PNC is not the same as the one that existed in the dictatorship.

 

Most of its members do not know that era. That they are blamed for it is the curse and the dog whistle being used by the PPP. It keeps the idea of the black boogieman on the front burner rather than questions as to what makes for sound honest democratic government. Every time those questions get asked the PPP are on their ass because they are a plague of corruption 

Don't you know that in Guyana blacks are always the devils and Indians the angels?

 

Yes Burnham was a racist and he did tremendous damage to Guyana, but what of Janet Jagan who was no better?  Its was her blatant anti black behavior in the 1960s which facilitated the growth of a race based PNC.  When Burnham left the PPP not every black left with him.  Eusi Kwayana being an example.  But it was the behavior of the PPP which chased most of them out.  Eusi Kwayana has spoken out about the behavior of the PPP and its supporters in 1961.  People need not be surprised at the backlash which occurred in 1962/63.

 

So we need and apology from BOTH the PPP and the PNC for their contribution to Guyana's political morass.

Every thing in your babble is about making Indians comfortable.  Well did you ever think that if blacks don't trust you what ever you plan will not work?  When last I checked Indians and blacks were two large minority groups in Guyana.

 

 

The PNC has a problem and that is it simultaneously has to be an opposition party, and to indicate to its grass roots base that it will defend their interests.  Every thing that I have seen suggests that these people are as badly off as they have ever been.

 

No put this in your pipe as you smoke.

 

There is a growing ideology which suggests that Burnham was a hero who defended black people, and  that any attempt to say otherwise is an attempt to disenfranchise them.  Understand something further.  The PPP has been around for 22 years.  Many younger black Guyanese don't remember the Burnham era, and so look at it as a time when blacks were better off.

 

Ignore this at your peril because these are the people who will come out on the road and set it afire and black all economic activity.\

 

So continue to believe that you can ignore black people and their concerns and fears as you seek solutions for Guyana.

 

 

And please don't think that because you have a few black friends that you are an expert on AfroGuyanese!  There are many conversations which are occurring which you aren't privvy to.

So let them. What should concern you is the growing disenfranchised and impoverished people from places like Agricola, Linden, and many parts of G/twn who see every Indian as a PPP and therefore as a source of their problems.

 

So continue to think that appeasing Indians is the only issue that Guyana has to face.  Guyana is headed into a direction long trodden by Jamaica where there are emerging "no go" areas.  Given our limited road infrastructure there are elements who can block activity and bring every thing crashing, and if you send the GDF to shoot them down you might make it even worse.

 

So I will suggest to you that strategizing about what to do about our increasing African underclass is an issue vital for Guyana's security. Feel free to call me a racist for warning you about this, but that doesn't change the facts. 

Please don't twist my comments.  My demands are made in reaction to baseman and now Kari. He sees the solution in appeasing Indians based on his narrative.  I am saying that there is another narrative so if we go on a demand for apologies than BOTH need to apologize.

 

On no occasion have I ever demanded that Indians apologize without reciprocal behavior from blacks.

 

There is a narrative in Guyana based on the "evil black man", and the "saintly Indian".  Until we dump this nonsense there will be NO cooperation because there will be no trust.

 

Sadly so many buy into the "evil black man" notion, that should an Afro Guyanese suggest that Indians are equally guilty of racism he is damned a racist. Eric Phillips, David Hinds and many others can testify to this.

I bet you cant tell me why redux's response to Kari's demands, endorsed by you that Afro Guyanese must apologize to Indians is "awwee time now"? 

 

It is certain not "ahwe time now" in the many impoverished black communities in Guyana, nor is it for the many black professionals who have been forced to flee Guyana because of the blatant racism against them.  Yes when an Indian employer touches his head and then says "is not Burnham time now".

 

 

As we speak the excesses of the Burnham era against Indians is being replicated against blacks.  So why should black people apologize.  And given our race based politics when you say that one party or another should apologize this is what you are actually saying, whether this is your intent or not.

The PNC cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011 exposed the true intent and fraud of the PNC.  Their open message, cheer the AFC, split the Indian vote but "come home" on voting day.  When we win, we will use the military to ensure we (PNC) never ever leaves power again.  A key PNC operative told me in 2011, when/if the PNC wins, the will give Finance and Economics to the AFC, the PNC will own the GDF/GPF and all aspects of law are order and foreign policy.

 

The PNC must never be allowed to rule over Guyana again as long as they and the military are tied at the hip.  I want o trust the PNC, but cannot and no Indian should either.

Both the PPP & PNC blew a golden opportunity at the last Elections. PPP blew it when they refused to Support Moses Nagamootoo to be Speaker of the House. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx PNC (APNU) exposed their hand when the said I will support an AFC candidate but not Moses an Indian. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx SO both PPP & PNC has a lot of apologizes to make to the Guyanese People....Everything Kari, Chief, Kzaaaz and CaribJ asking for.

the PNC must be the only set of wannabe dictators in HISTORY whose big plan to "never leave power" starts with the turn over of "Finance and Economics" to another party

 

baseman, you'd make a nice replacement klown for drugB if you weren't so consistently pathetic

I have been on record as fearing the PNC resorting to their old habit of rigging elections if they have the chance. It did not cross my mind that blacks would resort to street violence if they don't like what they see. After reading caribny's posts, I would have to be concerned by this kind of thug behavior.

 

But to his credit, he is a bigger man than redux who insist that the PNC does not need to show remorse for their brutal behavior during the PNC rule. So what does that say of redux given that caribny is somewhat inciting street violence.  

i deh pan yuh mind nuh bai?

 

brite sunlite hay . . . scurry, scurry

Of course you didn't include the fact that I stated that the PPP is as racist as the PNC was and so this is why any demands that the PNC apologize should also demand the same of the PPP.

 

Or better yet, just forget about demanding any apology from either.  The sins of each cancels out the other, so I  don't see this is necessary.

 

Now you in your ignorance can spread your bigoted crap that I am inspiring violence here in NYC.  So pathetic you are to think that any one in NYC can tell people in places like Agricola what they should do when even Granger lacks the ability to control them, once they get worked up.

 

So kill the messenger, malign him and call him a racist....and when he is proven right what will you say then!

 

When you think that one side should be appeased, and that all acts should cater to their fears, and then you ignore another this is what happens.

Nah bai. I don't know you and when I am not on GNI, you don't exist for me. Rigt now I am more involved in watching the NBA playoffs.

You think all "c00lies" stupid nah.  Remember, they (PNC) gave Finance to the UF if the 60's, well we know how that ended.  It surely rang hallow to me at the time causing me serious misgivings about the PNC's plan in 2011.  I saw history repeating itself and the Indian re-enslavement, except, no Jimmy Carter coming anytime soon.

So yuh don't believe in talking things over? In negotiations? Does it have to be violence?

In the final analysis for Granger to get ahead politically he has to apologize for the excesses of the 70's and 80 although he did ZERO of the deeds but his party did.

 

With authority comes responsibility.  He is the leader of the PNC.

 

But we all know he is not his own man, HE IS A PUPPET OF CORBIN.

yaaaaaaawwwwwn . . . baseman reaching fuh cleverness & tactics, only to squeeze wet shit again

 

nuff [face saving] back filling going on hay  . . . and it's "hollow" not "hallow" fool

 

poor u

You don't get my point do you.  Nice middle class people negotiate.  The lumpen proletariat who feel abandoned by the nice middle class people who control APNu and the AFC, don't.

 

So I suggest that you, Kari, and baseman who think that the future of Guyana lies in appeasing Indians because of what you claim that the PNC did to them FORTY years ago, and ignoring the most impoverished blacks, are doomed to be very disappointed.

 

Will you wait to negotiate at a time when Granger has COMPLETELY lost control, this when the lumpen proletariat call him David Persaud, because he doesn't fit into some idealized fantasy that many of these youths who know nothing of the 80s have of Burnham?

 

Guyana is headed in a fearsome direction and it is sad that too many are locked into their own ethnocentric fantasies to notice this.

I guess you out of bullets!

What racist BULL CRAP from you here CaribNU.

 

Have you never met an East Indian poor from Pigeon Island or Topoo in Albion?

 

What about the poorest people who live in the Hinterland, the BUCKman.

 

Can you understand why people do not take you serious.

 

Your racism destroy your message.

yes I agree. BORING.  Typical PPP still cant get over what happened 50 years ago.  Granger is no Burnham and so will not be able to pull off the coup that Burnham did, and that is even if he were inclined to, which those who know him say he isn't.

 

Indeed we have kishan b here calling him a coward because he refuses to put black people in front of PPP bullets.

People can say what you wish.  Go look at the youtube when Agricola people came out on the EB highway and tell me if this isn't something which terrifies you.

 

Oh yes,  these are the people who think that Burnham was a hero and life for black people under him was fantastic.

 

Note to you.  I have NEVER been to Agricola so attempt to blame me for that incident will make you look quite stupid.  If you don't understand the difference between a poor Indian who suffers, but is at least governed by the party that he voted for, and a poor black man who feels that he will be in perpetual poverty because he will be for ever excluded then its up to you.

 

But go youtube that Agricola road blockade.  And understand that it can happen in Albouystown, Tiger Bay and any where the next time the community feels that some police activity is harassing them.

This post from Baseman is another set of racist bull shit.

 

These fly by night palatical analysist.  Notice my misspelling to state they cannot qualify for the right discipline, they are KWAKs.

nope, no bullets . . . just my whip on your leprous hide

Think what you will but there are indeed elements from the old Burnham regime, the ones who didn't join the PPP, and who feel excluded by people like Granger, who might well embrace elements within these garrison communities to create problems.

 

So you and others can carry on with your narrative that the only actions which need to be taken is to appease the Indian voter.  There is an emerging security problem in Guyana.  Remember this if and when it happens.

 

As you appease the Indian, the blacks living in those impoverished communities need also to be appeased.  They have as long a list of grievances as does any other group.

You don't have any point. The Indians did not resort to street violence during the PNC rule when they were being marginalized. They waited patiently and continued praying for relief. Eventually Burnham died and Hoyte was forced to make the 1985 elections the last rigged one. Why must you call for blacks to resort to street violence?