I see. I am confused because I object to black people apologizing to Indians when BOTH are equally guilty and so suggest that apologies are useless as the sins of each to the other are equal so erase the sin.

 

You endorse "black man bad...Indian good, so black man must apologize" and you aren't confused.  Hmmmmmm.

 

So tell me how does black people apologizing for thirty years ago, when the Indian elite are CURRENTLY jamming dirty rods about their collective behinds help them?

Yes ksazma that's what you want.  Not going to happen though unless BOTH are apologizing.

  You see who thinks that they own Guyana mr K, but no comments from you.

Actually you are bad news for black people because you see them as people who resort to street justice and mob mentality behavior to resolve their concerns. You also claimed that they thought that the PNC owned Guyana and they punished Hoyte because they believed he gave it to coolies. Don't be surprised if blacks tell you to gwan suh.

No where in Nehru's statement is a claim that the PPP owns Guyana. So why would I imagine that he stated it?

 

 

My comments are specific to certain garrison communities.   So what happened when some cops shot some kid in Agricola and they closed down the EBD?  Or LInden bridge closure?

 

If people feel that negotiations are closed to them who knows what they will.

 

And not just black people either.  If you forgot that Corentyne burnt down a police station not that long ago, and burned down cane fields and committed other acts of sabotage I will happily remind you.

If you don't see it you are just as bigoted as he is.  The PPP is only entitled to rule until the next election and then the people will decide if they deserve to rule again, and if they prefer a split government, as they did in 2011. 

 

You and Nehru think that PPP rule forever is OK.

Thought you don't get involved in intellectual masturbations?

OK.  I see that you think that it is now "intellectual masturbation" to say that the PPP is only entitled to lead until the next election, and then the people will decide.

 

Most will say that it is their FUNDAMENTAL democratic right, but apparently you don't think so.

I say quit the idea of apologizing. Alot a crap went down on both sides for the 65 years we hustling one another to govern the country. Just leh some serious ppl start doing some meaningful works and leh the ppl see some cooperation.

Twisting and turning things do harm only to yourself. But go right ahead if you must.

I agree PPP apology= PNC apology, therefore PPP apology - pnc apology = 0

 

So its all a waste of time.

 

 

Got yourself all twisted in knots.  Sorry I cannot and will not help you.

Like I said, yuh prappa confused.

As usual you make accusations but lack the intelligence to back them.

For a long time we did not had a thread that ran so many pages.

Pavi yu went to picket granger too?

 

Hey Hey Hey. Bai meh guess abie gat foh tek brive and hssle dem lil gyal and abuse de wife. Dat is good quality foh be president. Hey Hey Hey

XXXXX Because our Learned Friend Mr Karimulla asked a simple and easy question....... xxxxxxx When will the PNC gain the trust of Guyanese?
XXXXXKari stumped all the PPP & PNC Pundits.....and Skillfully Proved PPP = PNC. XXXXXDe Professor and our friend "J" tried to answer for and represent their party of interest....the PNC XXXXX The Crab Louse who claim to speak and represent the PPP of today jumping up and making the issue a Racial one..... XXXXXXX Kari was very careful to lay all his cards on the table in a long opening statement at the top of this thread.....and no where did he say Blacks must apologize to Indians in Guyana.....this if far from what Kari is addressing...... XXXXXX Mr Kari is SIMPLY asking the Question, What will it take ....or When will the PNC (note Kari did not say Blacks) gain the Trust of the Guyanese???? (Note ...Kari said "GAIN THE TRUST OF THE GUYANESE")

Kari is either naïve or deceptive.  Our politics is racial.  The two main parties are in power because of RACE.  Kari framed the apology in a RACIAL context saying that the PNC must apologize to get Indian votes. 

 

So basically Kari was putting the whole thing within the context of "black man bad, Indian good, so black man has to apologize".  Then he expanded by basically saying that Indian voters hold the country hostage, because they are the largest bloc, and that they are doing fine under the PPP, because they are "survivors".

 

If you make comments within a tribal context you will get a tribal response.

 

And please don't hide behind the term "Guyanese".  We have Vishnu here parading Richmond Hill as the "center for GUYANESE activity", when he knows full well that its focus is on Indo Guyanese". In today's Guyana some people think that "Guyanese" and "Indo Guyanese" are interchangeable, and they can ignore Afro Guyanese.   I guess soon they will be calling us Bajans and Lucians and claim that we aren't true Guyanese.

 

Continue to ignore Afro Guyanese, or make wrong assumptions about us and we will CORRECT you!

CaribJ and Redux are saying that once you are black you are PNC.

hOW MUCH DUMB CAN THEY BE!!

 

 

Indians and Africans have grievances against each other.  They use the PPP and the PNC as vehicles of their fears.  Kari asked that the PNC apologize to get the Indian vote.

 

He specified INDIANS!  When he expanded his position he ranted about all the fears that Indians have because of what the PNC supposedly did to them in 1973, and so must apologize to get their vote.

 

Now you all are caught in a trap you are trying to pretend that this isn't another episode of the "black man bad, indian good, so black man has to apologize".

 

You cannot ask one party to apologize when BOTH parties have been equally destructive albeit in different ways!

 

You make remarks in a tribal context and now are shocked that the other tribe puts you in your place.

 

THERE IS NO WAY THAT I AM GOING TO ACCEPT A FOCUS ON THE ETHNIC INSECURITIES OF INDIANS UNTIL THERE IS EQUAL FOCUS ON THE ETHNIC INSECURITIES OF AFRICANS!

 

WHY!  Because it wasn't that long ago that YOU were denying that black people had concerns, and indeedf called me a racist for highlighting THEIR concerns.

 

So given that there is yet to evidence that people accept that Africans have the SAME rights to feel insecure within Guyana's political and economic environment as do Indians then I will NOT support any demands for any apologies!!!

More nonsense!!!

 

 The fact of the matter is both the  PPP and PNC exploit the two major races to create fear!! And they did not had to travel far as long as their are folks with your mindset. You guys drowned the voices of decent people who do not see race but think for  the benefit of all Guyanese 

 

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  You repeat the same thing that I said and then you think that you are saying different.  Guyana is a "democracy".  The AFC has contested TWO elections and ha sfailed miserably TWICE.  While they aren't perfect neither is either the PNC or the PPP.

 

Guyanese rejected the AFC TWICE.  Why?  RACE!

 

So don't come to me whining that Guyanese are mere victims of the PPP and the PNC.  Indians and Africans created and sustain those DEMONS and we ought to take the responsibility for that.

after all the unctuous huffing & puffing, and nuff nuff ass smoke blanketing, neither mr Kari nor mr jalil can explain to us how the "learned" mr kari figure that 41% of the electorate voting for APNU doan trust Granger and/or are asking the "PNC" for an apology

 

the rest of your nonsense post duly evaporates like morning dew when sunlight hits am . . . nah suh bai?

 

alyuh keep tap dancing; i gat plenty mo music to play

  The joke is that Granger most likely comes from the more moderate, more middle class wing of the PNC.  The ones who don't like him tend to be more militant, many the residue of the Burnham era.  They aren't demanding that the PNC apologizes for anything.

kari will likely not address the issue directly . . . he fully understands that i am FULLY aware of his TRIBAL, malicious, smartman intent when he oh so carefully constructed his loaded 'question': 

 

"WHEN WILL THE PNC GAIN THE TRUST OF GUYANESE"

 

the wicked and fallacious predicates are clear as day for all who have eyes to see

 

all tribal smartman, please come in

 Kari isn't coming back, at least not with anything coherent.  He stirred up a bees' nest and is now trying t recover from the stings.

 

Pity because he could have simply stated that he didn't think through the issue properly, under estimated how his request would have been seen by large numbers of black people, and that, given that both the PPP and the PNC have done bad things, their sins cancel each other out, so no apology is necessary.

 

He would have then suggested that the PNC take a more active role OUTSIDE of parliament, and reposition itself from merely trying to block the PPP for engaging in bad behavior to aggressively promoting implementable solutions to the problems faced by Guyanese.  And in doing so taken care to move BEYOND its core support base, even into "hostile" territory, like sugar and rice farmers.

This is the best post on this topic.

PPP = PNC........CaribJ show how both yard Dutty... Now.....BOTH MUST APOLOGIZE.

 

CribMan, you're making my point for me. The AFC cannot crack the PPP/PNC Indian/Black polling divide. So try something different bannaz.

Says you?

 

JB should go debate with her uncle Nehru as that contribution of hers betray a lack of political smarts. The PNC in this context dis bad not Blacks. Blacks are the majority base of the bad PNC therefore the object of the PNC is Black. That is not saying Blacks are inherently bad. And where in the question posed does it say that because the Indians are among the important category of Guyanese that the PNC has to make good to that make Indians good? JB has reduced a simple logic to a soundbite that CribMan shows as racism by Indians because the PPP has not been called out to apologize. We don't want the PPP to apologize....we want them out or change them.

 

I'll get a more meaningful response from a fire hydrant.

 

 

You are too obtuse, too opaque, too dense.

 

You whiney little piece - Kari get sting, Kari can't come back, Kari didn't think it through; Kari should have said this and that.

  Indians vote PPP even though they think its corrupt, because they fear black man rule, and they insist that the PPP panders to black people (Cheddi Blackman, you might recall).

 

Africans vote PNC, even though they are self serving, potential soup lickers, and possibly corrupt because they feel that they are punishing under "collie rule".  And now Granger goes and apologizes to get Indian votes.  This in an era where some are resurrecting Burnham as a "hero" and damning black people like me who detest him. as being destructive to black people.  I am told this by 30 something year olds who LIVE in Guyana.

 

So let Granger apologize and see what happens.

 

Note to you. The 41% who voted PNC aren't asking for an apology, so it will be obvious who is, even though you disguise it with the euphemistic "Guyanese".

 

Kari even David Hinds, who was highly critical of the PNC up to a mere 5 years ago, is now an active member of APNU.  As a man who was almost killed by Burnham, he is a prefect candidate to demand an apology, and yet he is more concerned about the plight of poor young Africans, and the festering danger that this group potentially presents, if their concerns aren't addressed.

 

David Hinds has said that all (poor) black people have now is the PNC. This to illustrate the African dilemma, with a deep tone of regret. This a man who was an enemy of that party a scant 20 years ago!

The fcat that this is your response is indeed illustrative of the fact that you got stuck in a swamp, stung by bees, and are now at a loss.

 

Kari, ask yourself why David Hinds isn't demanding an apology from APNU, and is indeed VERY INVOLVED with them?  If there is one man who suffered under Burnham, far more than most Indians, it was him.

Guyana reality. Not me. Get your facts about Guyana right. 

Author’s second book targets racism in Guyana

“The peoples of Guyana sit on top of a known, restless, threatening volcano. It is called RACE. There is no way to sugarcoat, ignore, or dismiss this prowling, mindless monster in the midst… This nation has endured its share of the occasional racial eruption, the rush of consuming lava, the sweep of threatening peril; but these have been explosions in miniature, and only a precursor of greater dangers currently harnessed, and still ahead. Still, the burns and scars and memories are painful to the flesh, and irremovably embedded.” Gabriel H. K. Lall, exposes the dangerous manifestations of racism in all its parts in his second publication titled, Sitting on a Racial Volcano (Guyana Uncensored).

His first publication, Guyana: A National Cesspool of Greed, Duplicity & Corruption (A Remigrant’s Story) had been unashamedly truthful about the deep-rooted issue of corruption in Guyana from prominent institutions. This one is no different. The publication, which was launched at a simple gathering at Marian Academy on Friday last, introduces the subject of race and its repercussions on modern day Guyana. Speaker of the National Assembly, Raphael Trotman, at the launching stated that “our colonial predecessors effectively manipulated and used the issue of race and competition and rivalry to divide the Government. However, while we are not guilty of starting this rivalry, we are certainly to be condemned for continuing it”. Lall asks in his book, “Who are we? Where are we? Where are we going? As a society, as a nation, as a people?” According to the author, racism has long since caused people to retreat, to shelter and even to hide rather than to bring the issue to full public view. He described the issue as a volcano, with a future that “threatens” and “endangers”. The unashamedly scrutinising Lall brings to the fore the relationship existing between the two major races in Guyana; the East Indians and the Africans, identified in the book as “Indian” and “Black”, underlining the differences in perceptions between the two groups and mixing the preferences in political factions, primarily on the People’s Progressive Party Civic (PPP/C) and the People’s National Congress Reform (PNC/R). The publication made reference to tragic events in Linden and Agricola as “manifestations of the bubbling, heaving volcano.” Guns were referred to as “the final solution in Guyana”, the determining factor of peace, the only option to equilibrium. Evidently, change is emphasized as “the only way left”, the needed element to eradicate the deeply entrenched root of separation between the people of our nation. More importantly, change must come from the “top”, change that has thus far been involuntary. Essentially, unless the issue of race has been dissolved, progress will be obscured. Lall said that change has to come from those who are willing to tread in new and different paths and to inculcate hope. He urged all to put their heads together and stand up for each other, to take back our society and to look for the common good. The publication is now available for purchase at the Austin’s Book Store. (Tiffanne Ramphal)

The PPP is already a minority party. One does not have to win more than 50% plus one.

 

Indeed the PPP can hold the government with 34% But the reality is if they lose by anything broaching 60 percent and they want the same autocratic prerogatives, they re asking to be booted from office by popular revolt.

 

No one can come up with a strategy for winning if the are not involved in the planning. However, one can proffer a generalized list of things that needs to be done that makes one worthy of winning. At this point, the PNC  is winning because the PPP are such corrupt and barefaced bastards.

The point here is we are seeing the adverse effect of dependencies on racial demographics rather than good sense, good management style and in general good government.

 

The  PNC will inevitably do exactly what the PPP is doing. That they will has nothing to do with racism or genetic disposition but it is what anyone would do given the kinds of electoral dictatorship our system produces.

 

The only mediating force is the AFC and the next elections will make them even more indispensable as people see their emerging role as the final arbiter. Theirs is a large responsibility to which they must be prepared to respond.