Al, are you and dem Freedumb House bais lookin fuh free advice hey?

Jokes:

Nothing wrong with playing a lil devil's advocate, right ?lol

But seriously, if the PPP boys are still perceived to be complacent and corrupt next time around there will be a change in the executive branch--that's a strong possibility.

THE KEY TO THE PPP LOSING THE PRESIDENCY IS MOSES!

By the way, Moses is hellbent on making sure the PPP lose the presidency---the man hates Ramo with a passion---Granger and the PNC dont trust Moses---but Moses despises Ramotar and the PPP more than he despises Granger and the PNC.

Rev

Rev:

there is 2 big political assumption that cannot stand up.

1.  Ralphie Karran was never popular with the grass roots and thus will not make a difference in the political equation whether he is inside or outside the PPP.

AFC will look good on the books with him but he will not bring any constituent to the AFC.

2.  The PNC will lose votes.  Afro-Guyanese who did not like the PNC voted for them because of this message that the soldier boys spread  - "THE AFC WILL STEAL THE INDIAN VOTES FROM THE PPP AND THIS IS THE ONLY CHANCE FOR BLACKMAN TO RUN AGAIN"

This strategy failed and many afro-Guyanese are regretting they voted PNC when their politics is more aligned to the AFC.

I am convinced the PNC will max out in 2015 at 35%.  35% cannot win an election when the PPP will get 40%.

3.  The AFC is still not well organised and does not have a machinery that can generate mass support - trade union, country wide youth movement, country wide women's movement, village captains in all the villages.

4.  Guyanese voters are very cautious and will not chnage their votes enmass.  Many will change their votes but not 75,000 in 5 years.

The AFC need 75,000 more votes to make a difference.

This 2015 election is the PPP's Presidential victory but with less votes.

The AFC will be gaining seats in parliament while the apnu and ppp will be losing seats.

The big question how will granger deal with the stronger AFC. I honestly do not think granger will be there after 2015 since half of the pnc front bench are retirees and they will be gone by 2015.

The 2015 elections will be MOSES victory.

YOUR QUESTIONS AL:

NEXT QUESTION:

* Can a PNC/AFC coalition with Granger as President and Moses as Prime Minister defeat the PPP ?

THE AFC WILL NOT BE JOINING ANY PNC IN 2015.  The AFC will bruk up rather than join the PNC or PPP.

* How about a PNC/AFC colaition with Moses as President and Granger as Prime Minister ?

THE AFC WILL NOT BE JOINING ANY PNC IN 2015.  The AFC will bruk up rather than join the PNC or PPP.

Which combo is more likely to defeat the PPP ? Granger as Pres/Moses PM or Moses as Pres/Granger PM ?

THE AFC WILL NOT BE JOINING ANY PNC IN 2015.  The AFC will bruk up rather than join the PNC or PPP.

Rev Al and Mr Joker and Davin:

one factory you comrades are not recognizing.

The AFC finance men are abject Indo-Guyanese racist similar to Visnu Bisram message.

I do not think the AFC will join the PNC.

Ronald:

Thanks for the indepth response above---much appreciated.

You have imparted some serious political wisdom ---you are clearly intuned with political climate in Guyana.

In speaking to Guyanese in Guyana recently, many seemed contented with the status quo---PPP controls the executive branch; PNC/AFC control the legislative branch.

It would be interesting to see how many seats the AFC under Moses can pick up in 2015.

Rev

Nigel Hughes is a DUNCE!

And Politically he is a big fat zero---Nigel has no chance of ever winning an election.

If he is the AFC's presidential candidate in the next election he'll pull less than 10% of the vote.

RE: GRANGER

Ronald Narain believes he will be forced out from the PNC leadership before the next election.

Rev

Based on what the politicians are saying there is no chance of a coalition between the AFC and the PPP. What does this mean for the ordinary PPP supporter? It simply means a vote for the AFC automatically translates to a vote for the PNC. Story done!

Billy like you brains bruk or what?

If the AFC is not collating with the PNC, how the hell that mean a vote for the AFC = VOTE for the PNC.

Like u tun Janet Jagan now?

The truth is a vote for the PPP = vote for the PNC and I will explain later.

A VOTE FOR THE PPP = VOTE FOR THE PNC

why?

The PPP has now bought out the senior leaders of the PNC and APNU and they are in back room talks on how to distribute power and the benefits that comes with power.

This process was started when the PNC was in talks with the PPP on the Linden Electricity and in the process shutting the people out.

Luckily the AFC pull the PNC up and the rest is history.

Old people say, nah put cats to watch milk.

Mahen,

My brains maybe bruk but it is working better than most of the brains on this forum. Even a blind man can see the AFC and APNU working together in parliament against the PPP and the wishes of the Guyanese people.

My generation of East Indian don't see big bad blackman bogeymen coming to kill us like yours. So your race baiting don't matter anymore. Now is time for cooperation and working together. 

@ BILLY Ram Goat:

Mr Ramjattan Esq stated clearly that the party shall vote with the PPP when they do something good and against the PPP when the PPP does something bad.

The evidence shows that on Dec 17th, the AFC voted with the PPP on one of the supplementary budget measures and voted against the APNU position.

The AFC also voted against the PPP on the budget cuts. 

So haul your arse with your false propaganda.

The people who matter the working class know the truth.

My friend, do I need to remind you of the years you spent with Ravi Dev's ROAR working tirelessly to convince PPP supporters that they are not being protected by their party in gov't against the anti-Indian PNC?  The brutal attacks on Indians in Guyana goes on unabately and the PNC never condemns any of it. On the contrary, they provide legal support to blacks who carried out acts of murder against Indo-Guyanese. A perfect example of such support is Robert Corbin's public annoucement that the PNC will provide free attorneys to represent those charged with the massacre at Lusignan.

Shame on you Mr. Economist.

Dude...the PPP did not protect East Indians, period! The Jagdeo-Ramotar PPP is the enemy from within. The East Indian population has declined from 52% to 43%. The Hinhu population declined from 37% to 26% under PPP. The PPP has broken all the norms of governance and have opened the East Indians to vulnerability. You cannot talk about brutal attacks and not have a state-sponsored Inquiry. What has the PPP done to address these attacks and insecurities other than forming alliances and tacit collusion with drug pushers? Hence making it harder for the legitimate East Indian capitalists to do legal businesses. The PPP is the bane of East Indians. The Jagdeo-Ramotar PPP cabal is the enemy from within. Jokers like you, Ravi Dev, Bisram and Ramcharra fail to take this dimension into account. 

Please tell us "Who" the PPP did not protect Indians from?

TK did you say this:

The Jagdeo-Ramotar PPP cabal is the enemy from within. Jokers like you, Ravi Dev, Bisram and Ramcharra fail to take this dimension into account.

Did you call your old political MENTOR A JOKER - RAVI DEV?

Please explain thank you.

I hope by next Christmas you will not be calling Khemraj Ramjattan an a-hole.

Are you having reading problems? 

I was not attacking you, I was trying to save your arrogant ass since it is there for all to see that you called RAVI DEV a joker and I know that message will get back to him since he has many friends on this BLOG. 

The honorable thing to do, if you did not mean to call Ravi Dev a joker, is withdraw the comment.

If you are however denying that you did not call RAVI DEV a joker then you can be DEEMED an LIAR which make you BAD for politics and no better that Jugdeow.

The Jagdeo-Ramotar PPP cabal is the enemy from within. Jokers like you, Ravi Dev, Bisram and Ramcharra fail to take this dimension into account.quoted from TK

Then he tell me I have a reading problem.  The brass of some of these people.

Anyone who writes for Guyana Times and justifies the elected oligarchy on racial reasoning is a joker. Anyone who fails to acknowledge the damage the PPP has done to East Indians is a joker. And I know who you are. Don't mess with me. I am not a sentimental coolie and coward to hide what I say behind strange handles. 

You are not going to use your real handle to tell me that crap.

The Role of Robber Barrons wsho are also Snakeoil Salesmen demand that TK say, write and do the things he do.It is all part of who he is.

I would ask you to withdraw the comment about the financiers being Indo-Guyanese racists. It is patently untrue and insulting to some good people I know.

Can Moses Nagamootoo as the AFC Presidential Candidate Swing 10%?

Definitely YES.

Maybe more but it all depends on the political work on the ground.

Moses is the only living politician in Guyana who can steal votes from the PPP at this present moment.

That is a unique feature that cannot be replicated easily.

Ronald:

If Moses has as much faith in himself as you have in him, he'll do wonders in the next election if he is, indeed, the AFC's presidential candidate..

By the way, dont be surprised to see Nigel and Trotty put the royal screw on poor Moses---I'd be very surprised if he is the AFC's presidential candidate---he is longing to be the AFC's presidential candidate---but he'll likely be screwed.

Rev

Hello Rev Al:

Firstly let me take this opportunity to wish you a Happy New Year.

Secondly thanks to AMRAL, for approving my application on Dec 26th 2012 to join this forum.

Thirdly - My name is Sasenarine Singh.

Fourthly - I have no interest in bantering who is right and who is wrong but to focus on the developmental issues and the purely political issues.  I am way too busy to do anything else. 

The elections are over and the next one will be in 4 years time (all this talk of snap election is just HOT AIR).  During that time we should all focus on the people issues and how to help the poor and the working class improve their lot.

To our debate:

In your answer to another blogger you mentions that "don't be surprised to see Nigel and Trotty putting the royal screw on poor Moses..."

Politics will always have intrigues and political maneuverings but to say the above is being very economical with the truth.

If you know a GOOD human being like Nigel Hughes you would know that your thoughts are misplaced.

But let us pretend you are CORRECT?  What would be the reaction of the ordinary Guyanese voters to the reality if your wish comes through?

I have my personal views but I hold my peace FOR NOW.

Hello Rev:

Wasn't Moses led to believe last year the AFC would nominate him as speaker ? Well, Trotty ended up as speaker! What happened ? Looks like Moses was royally screwed---Trotty and Granger worked out a deal behind Moses' back. Right now Moses' name is being tossed around as the AFC's presidential candidate in the next election---Moses shouldn't get his hopes up too high---he'll likely be screwed again.

Rev:

The AFC got its own GT based leadership council so I cannot speak on their behalf.

What I can say is that Team AFC is not in control of Team Granger and visa versa.

EVERY SITUATION HAS CONTEXT.

Team Granger has made some decisions that did not meet the criteria of political transparency in the past.

EXAMPLES:

1.  The issue of Speakership was one point where Team Granger did not find favour with MOSES but in the end it worked to Moses favour.

TODAY because of his political work and his political pedigree, he is the front runner as the next Presidential Candidate of the AFC.

If he was Speaker he would not have had the latitude to do such a high quality of political work with the people.

2.  VERY IMPORTANT  - Team Granger foisted their candidate into GECOM rather than follow traditions of reserving one seat for the minority opposition party.  That was a "royal screwing" if I am permitted to use your words.

But you must know politics is about the PRESENT MOMENT and even though those past experiences left a severe crisis of trust in place between the AFC and the APNU, we all as Guyanese have to continue to cautiously trust to progress the National Development Agenda.

Similarly, when the AFC voted in favour of the PPP and not with the APNU in the Dec 17th sitting of Parliament, I did not see that as a front page item in the Chronicle?  This is a clear indication that when the PPP is right the AFC will vote with them and when they are wrong - against.

The AFC will act as the conscience of the nation.

That is why we can rubbish all that idle talk of APNU/AFC political alliance.

The reality the PNC is closer to the PPP ideologically than it is to the AFC.

What do you mean by ordinary Guyanese voters ?

Hello Rev:

The poor and the working class.  They decide the winners in Guyana elections, not the boys at Georgetown CLUB.

Absolutely, not the Snakeoil Salesmen here on GNI and the KFC.

Sase:

The Rev respects your point of view. You strike me as being intelligent and well informed.

Now Sase, it's important for you to understand that given Guyana's historical voting pattern, there is zero chance of a 3rd party like the AFC ever winning a general election--ZERO!

In the last election the AFC, energized by Moses leaving the PPP and joining them, captured 10.3% of the votes---many Berbicians who supported the AFC were shocked by that 10.3%---they were led to believe that they AFC would win it all---they received just 10.3% of the vote.

THE AFC WILL ALWAYS BE PERCEIVED IN GUYANA TO BE THE 3RD PARTY!

And there is a ceiling, in terms of percentage of votes received, by 3rd parties---I believe the maximum percentage of votes a 3rd party in Guyana has ever received was 12%---and so the AFC is pretty close to bumping into that ceiling.

Poster Henry made a valid point in another thread that the AFC's novelty has dissipated. We shall find out how much that novelty has eroded in the next election---if they get less than 10% of the votes---they are history.

You said, "the PNC is closer ideologically to the PPP than it is to the AFC." Well sase, you are correct. And those 2 ideologically similar parties, the PPP and PNC, will likely capture 90% of the vote in the next election.

THE AFC WILL ALWAYS BE THE 3Rd PARTY IN GUYANA---THE 10% PARTY.

Rev

Uncle Rev you right.

The PPP will win the plurality again!

TK, don't fall for this claptrap, bro.  Rev (Paul Chandra) is engaging in the same race-baiting he always does.  He is just trying to get an AFCite to agree with his "analysis" for propaganda purposes.

Ronald is right, the PNC's votes are maxed out.  Moreover, Granger will not be their next candidate (age being a major factor), and the AFC will not only draw from the PPP, as he is implying, but will draw even more from the PNC.  

Granger was the PNC's last hurrah, and now that their base feels betrayed, especially because of the events of Linden, many will not vote, and many will switch to the AFC.  A similar fate awaits the PPP, though the amount of absentees there will be greater, and the amount crossing over to the AFC smaller.

The PPP will put great effort to suppressing the fact the AFC will draw from both the PPP and PNC.  Hence, the Rev's narrative here.

Sounds like a dog catching it's tail.

I would go with the thief who did not kill the goose while stealing the eggs.  In real terms the PNC stole much more than the PPP did.  Furthermore, the PNC destroyed by stealing and stole by destroying.  If they are "stealing", then they are more thoughtful about the implications.

Just as you have provided no evidence that the PPP sought to collaborate with the AFC, but preach that the AFC does not want to collaborate, you again make a sweeping statement with no evidence.  

Or is it because mostly blacks died under the PPP's watch, it makes them less murderous?  Or is widespread white collar crime, including the destruction of NIS, less debilitating to our nation than Burnham flying horses to Mathews Ridge?

But if I am missing something though, I'd be grateful for the evidence toward both of your assertions.  Thanks, and I wish you all the best in the coming new year.

u just so love spouting illiterate shyte . . . Oswald Bates with an internet connection, smh

Stealing by the PNC can never match what this current PPP government is currently siphoning from the treasury on a daily basis. The country did not fall into bankruptcy because of PNC stealing but because of the socialist/nationalization policies pursued by the PNC which stifled investment and growth. A strategy which was by the way endorsed by the communist PPP via "Critical Support". The current Jagdeo/Rummouthar cabal is exponentially the biggest tiefin government in the history of Guyana and you trying to revise history can never change that.